Saturday, June 21, 2008

Keystone Kops

The Burnaby-New Westminster Liberals still do not have a candidate. Fortunately, an election does not appear to be on the horizon this fall.

First the Liberals had Gerry Lenoski, the longtime Liberal activist, interested in the nomination. Lenoski dropped out to endorse Steve McClurg. The following week, former NDP candidate McClurg pulled the plug on his own candidacy. Then there was marketing strategist Lily Harvey interested in the nomination. So far Harvey is still the only active participant in the race. With an ethnic female candidate interested, the Liberals would likely have moved ahead with the acclaimation if she were the one they wanted. At the moment the Liberals have not, despite Harvey being in the race for about a year.

Things could be worse for the Big Red Machine of Burnaby-New Westminster. They could be the Okanagan-Shuswap Liberals. Last week candidate Buffy Baumbrough quit on the Liberals to focus on her Vernon council re-election. Baumbrough also said she could make a bigger impact on the environment at the civic level. Stephane Dion must not be overly happy with having a second candidate from B.C. drop out on him this year (Rani Bellwood dropped out in February as the Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge-Mission candidate).

Perhaps the Liberals are holding off on the nomination so that no one can quit on them before election day.

63 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Derek Corrigan would be the perfect candidate for the Liberals who will go out to turn Derek Corrigan if he loses. They turned Ujjal Dosanhj and apparently he scored a cabinet post, as a "star candidate" no less.

6/21/2008 3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forget it and dream on kid.

Corrigan is NDP and why would he want to give up the Mayor's chair to sit amongst many MP's as Opposition?

Besides the Liberals are bad enough with Dion as Leader. They don't need to be any worse with Corrigan as an MP.

6/21/2008 3:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Corrigan was pretty cozy with the el Stephano, when he last came to town as federal environment minister. And there is all that scuttlebutt, you know.
Hmmm.
Burnaby Lake dredging = Liberal nomination?
And maybe they'll all wear thongs!

6/22/2008 6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm...that was inappropriate.

Can Mayor Corrigan be turned? Would anyone actually be surprised if he does since there are already precedents of ON & BC NDP premiers turning LIB. One would only be surprised if he decides to turn CON and decide to take on Bill Siksay in the north and he very well has the chance to win the battle given how close the three parties fared in the past two elections. And with an Attorney General like credentials one is certain that he would receive an immediate appointment into the cabinet shall he decide to take on CON membership to take on Bill Siksay. But that possibility is remote.

Just by looking at how Paul Martin ran his election in 2004, it should not surprise anyone if LIB does decide to approach Mayor Corrigan to ask him to run in the south against Peter Julian. Lily in Burnaby and Wendy in Vancouver as Chinese women certainly had differential treatment, while sad but well understood given their fundraising abilities. And if LIB does desire to designate the mayor as their candidate, then shall Bill Cunningham lose again, it is also possible for LIB to draft the other Corrigan and have the couple run together as the Grewals did in Burnaby. This may not sound so nice in the ears of BCNDP, but such a candidacy would certainly sound gospel-like for Burnaby LIB who, as our resident blogger has suggested, is still searching for a candidate.

6/22/2008 7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Derek wont be looking for anything like a parachute out of city hall until after he loses an election... and that might not be for a very long time.

The 'other side' needs to unite against him, and right now, well, gosh, you know...

And even if Corrigan sought out an MP's nomination, there is the tricky business of a popular incumbent.

Peter Julian may be considered a flake by the centre-right, but the lefties love him almost as much as they loved Svend ... who resigned, and never lost. (It was close sometimes, but he never lost.)

6/22/2008 7:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter Julian is certainly no flake. It is self-evident that he is the stronger candidate for NDP. However, if LIB successfully practiced their masterful art of persuasion and convinces Mayor Corrigan to look at the former premier presiding over the riding next door and run under LIB, then the key will be how many votes he can translate differentials between NDP-BCA into winning margins for LIB. If this translation is impossible, then rumors to ask Mayor Corrigan would not arise in the first place. But one hopes LIB does surprise us and it is certainly looking like a parachute is in place when the time comes.

6/22/2008 8:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter Julian is certainly no flake. It is self-evident that he is the stronger candidate for NDP. However, if LIB successfully practiced their masterful art of persuasion and convinces Mayor Corrigan to look at the former premier presiding over the riding next door and run under LIB, then the key will be how many votes he can translate differentials between NDP-BCA into winning margins for LIB. If this translation is impossible, then rumors to ask Mayor Corrigan would not arise in the first place. But one hopes LIB does surprise us and it is certainly looking like a parachute is in place when the time comes.

Yeah right, and these are the same people who whine about Kathy Corrigan living 2 to 3 km from Burnaby Deer Lake where she is seeking nomination? Give it a rest.

Corrigan is NDP. The big thing with Dosanjh when he crossed the floor was that the Liberals were government prior to the first election in which he ran as a Grit.

The Liberals don't have anything to offer Corrigan as they are Opposition, not government.

Corrigan wouldn't turn to the Conservatives. Both ridings are essentially spoken for.

Burnaby Lake Dreding does not equal Liberal Nomination.

Burnaby Lake Dredging equals alot of money to suck sand and silt to make a ditch for paddle boats.

But the Liberals do have the art of persuasion down to a science.

They managed persuasion to the electors and Canadians got sucked into electing them to government too many times.

6/22/2008 8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing is wrong with Lily H. Everyone has to start somewhere. Dion has said one third of all candidates will be women. Lily is the only gutsy candidate in a very tough riding - just ask Mary P.how tough it is.

Even with a high profile candidate the Libs don't have a hope of winning it.

6/22/2008 11:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopefully the Liberals won't end up being government.

Putting up with their arrogance, endless political patronage and sending favours to friends and insiders too much.

They need more time in Opposition.

6/23/2008 6:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget that former Vancouver city councilor, Daniel Lee, also wanted to be the Liberal candidate in Burnaby New Westminster, before he was unceremoniously dumped by the federal Liberal Party. Lee has since joined the Conservative party.

6/27/2008 8:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Liberals don't have much to worry about.

They do have the mechanisms in place for their leader to directly appoint a candidate, thereby completely bypassing the membership's participation in a democratically run nomination meeting.

Bill Cunningham has been the receipient of that, plus "preferrential priority" as a candidate where the environment of a nomination meeting was made easy for him to run in. Sort of what happens in the BC Liberals lately

6/27/2008 4:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm suprised no one has mentioned Lee Rankin as a possible candidate. He did run as a Liberal in 2000. I've heard the Liberals are planning to leave the nomination open until November. Maybe they are saving it for Rankin in case he loses the civic election.

6/27/2008 8:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rankin didn't make it past the nomination meeting and won't again.

He's tried twice and failed once.

The Liberals don't "save" nomination meetings.

They get their leader to appoint candidates for them instead.

It should be up to the members to decide who the candidate will be, not the Executive or the Party Presidium.

6/27/2008 10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would the Liberals want Lee Rankin?

Each time he has tried getting elected as MP, he's failed.

The Liberals don't offer much for the prespective candidate.

They are in Opposition, with a rather dull and hard to understand leader, and the party still allows its leader to directly apppoint candidates.

6/27/2008 10:50 PM  
Anonymous duh green machine said...

Anybody notice that Brian Mulroney is calling on Stephen Harper to denounce the farce of an 'election' in Zimbabwe?

The Progressive are raising their heads.
This is a good thing.

Watch for large numbers of so-called 'disaffected Tories' to move towards the Green Party.

Burnaby was on the cutting edge of this trend, with those environmental pioneers Ray Poser and George Drooziness.

6/28/2008 3:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone (including Conservatives) really care what Brian Baloney thinks?

Some federal Liberal nomination meetings have been conducted the same way (only one candidate to vote for, no real choices offered).

6/28/2008 7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just heard through grapevine that the Liberal party green light committee finally got together last week to review Lily Harvey's application to be a candidate for the Burnaby New Westminster Liberal nomination. The word is they rejected her. The reasons given were lack of experience and that they objected to some of the content on her personal website. This makes her the second Chinese candidate to be blocked by Liberal party brass from running in Burnaby New Westminster.

6/29/2008 7:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's the public version.

The real version is that the federal Liberals have someone else in mind, and that Dion will directly appoint that candidate.

Just as it was set for Bill Cunningham.

6/29/2008 2:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and why is this emphasis on Chinese candidates??

We're all Canadian in that riding.

Who cares if the candidate is Chinese, Catalan, Chilean or Colombian?

What matters is the voters takes a liking to what the candidate has to say for getting things done for all citizens, not just those in any one ethnic group.

This "he's one of ours"/"She's one of ours" reasoning for voting is wearing thin, people.

6/29/2008 3:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The reasons given were lack of experience and that they objected to some of the content on her personal website."
Or lack of connection to corporate interests and the likelihood of a money sucking campaign. I thought it was already obvious. High profile candidate in Burnaby? Hard to find unless LIB can turn a prominent NDP as they did in various ridings. It will be interesting to see which NDP prominent figure LIB may be targeting and a turn on Mayor Corrigan probably wont surprise many.

6/29/2008 7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not that again.

You're obviously wanting Derek to run so it would make it easier for Lee Rankin and his Team Burnaby to win a majority.

Derek as a federal Liberal? won't happen.

Don't bet the cheque given to Team Burnaby's campaign manager (most likely a BC Liberal political hack) on that one.

Unless you want to lose alot of money.

But I don't mind.

6/29/2008 8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lee Rankin has not been nominated and admittedly he is really no Patti Sahota on qualifications alone, let along electbility. But that argument is settled.

As for Derek Corrigan running for federal liberals against Peter Julian. We will just have to see if those 20% BCA supporters who are not federal NDPers can be actually translated into winning margin shall Derek Corrigan run. If both Corrigans lose their respective elections, it will be such a waste for Derek Corrigan to simply take retirement instead of taking on Peter Julian. But it is obvious Derek Corrigan is not what federal liberals are targeting right now, but it is certainly an option worth considering. It will be hard however for federal liberals to find someone who can match Bill Cunningham in running a campaign who even though without the star dust he once possessed as a star candidate continues to hold certain appeals to donors. Unless of course they can convince the New Westminster's Mayor to run who endorsed Mary Pynenburg 's candidacy. But Chinese candidates will mean nothing if he or she cannot squeeze money out from the Chinese community while the Conservatives seem to be doing that quite successfully. It will be hard to find an Chinese candidate like Wendy Yuan who can match David Emerson in appeals to the Chinese community. The same riding used to have four Chinese candidates running each other and in 2006 only had one Chinese candidate nominated by Conservatives, Kenman Wong who is very much like Lily Harvey who really has not the profile to attract prominent backers from the Chinese community.

6/29/2008 9:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This nonense of Derek Corrigan running as a federal Liberal is laughable.

The federal Liberals are in Opposition and Corrigan wouldn't be able to unseat Peter Julian.

The federal Liberals aren't in a position to offer anything to Corrigan. The party is in debt, the leader is a joke.

Why would the voters in Burnaby New Westminster want a new Opposition MP over the current one
(who has already served two terms)?

6/30/2008 5:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about Peter Julian as a Liberal. Sources within the Liberal party have told me that Joyce Murray invited Peter's father Terry onto her election readiness committee last year. Could there have been an agreement that if the Liberals do well in the next election, Peter will make a Belinda Stronach like shift in his allegiences. Peter comes from a Liberal family. His father Terry still holds a Liberal party membership and supported Stephane Dion in the 2006 leadership race.

6/30/2008 7:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter Julian's family connection to LIB is no secret to the public. He must have thanks Terry Julian for his support too. And this may very well be a shocker since we have only seen provincial NDP turning federal LIB, and for an NDP MP to become a federal MP is rare. It will be even more perfect if he turns the day the writ drops and one can certainly see the likelihood. But the same argument that went for Mayor Corrigan also goes for Peter Julian, exactly what can Dion promise to have him turned since from the way things are going for LIB, they are just about to give up on both Burnaby ridings altogether as the resident blogger suggested. But it will be interesting to see if they can do any work on prominent NDP figures in the region, and if they do turn Peter Julain, I will admit it will be nothing short of a master stroke.

6/30/2008 12:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having met Terry and Terry was in fact a former federal Liberal candidate, it's not unusual for families to be politically split.

Peter is more left wing than Terry Julian is.

This talk of strategic candidate placement within the federal Liberals to defeat Julian is a waste of time and energy.

The federal Liberal leader is a joke who should be replaced, and the federal Liberals need to be something more than just a policy book on immigration issues and a dumping ground for political hacks and insiders eager to get in on the political goodies.

6/30/2008 5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aside from all of that, the leader has the power to directly appoint candidates, thereby bypassing the democratic route of having the membership at a Nomination Meeting decide who will be the candidate.

What will be the offer to Peter Julian? A dinner with Justin Trudeau Jean Chretien and Shelia Copps?

A signed copy of the Red Book by
Paul Martin?

A John Turner mint condition lawn sign?

6/30/2008 6:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The federal Liberal leader is a joke who should be replaced, and the federal Liberals need to be something more than just a policy book on immigration issues and a dumping ground for political hacks and insiders eager to get in on the political goodies."
If you are not a LIB supporter, I guess your opinion on Dion leadership really does not matter much. It is like having BCLIB supporters commenting on Carole James' weak grip on her party. Comparing to the other leadership candidate, Dion is the only one who can actually have prominent NDP figure such as the president of CAW turned. No NDP is going to turn LIB led by a pro-Iraq invasion MP. Seeing that Stephane Dion really has no friends in BC, a prominent NDP figure like Peter Julian will make him a perfect cabinet pick shall he form the government. I dont think even Wayne Wright himself actually believes he has a chance against popular Peter Julian. Unless LIB wants to give up on this riding, other than turning Peter Julian, it is unlikely they can unseat Peter Julian with any candidate they can come up with.

6/30/2008 7:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, except for Mayor Corrigan, but turning Mayor Corrigan is just about impossible when the Corrigan is hinging his re-election with NDP partisan supporters, and no one is going to question the mayor's loyalty to NDP now that even his wife has decided to attach herself to BCNDP. Peter Julian is however much more electable to general public than Mayor Corrigan, no matter as a LIB or NDP. I hope Terry Julian and LIB do turn Peter Julian eventually who will pretty much clinch the riding for Stephane Dion.

6/30/2008 7:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If you are not a LIB supporter, I guess your opinion on Dion leadership really does not matter much. "

Well as a voter and a person who is very much politically aware, the opinion of a person who is the leader of a major federal party matters quite a bit. Dion is chasing away potential support.

"It is like having BCLIB supporters commenting on Carole James' weak grip on her party."

Sort of. But support for the NDP is based on a solid Opposition which is needed to keep a government on its toes, something which the BC NDP lacks right now.
The end result? Constant arrogance
from the BC Liberals.


"Comparing to the other leadership candidate, Dion is the only one who can actually have prominent NDP figure such as the president of CAW turned."

Turned into what? a Liberal patsy?
Hargrove hasn't accomplished much
as a Liberal supporter compared to his being the lead of the CAW.


No NDP is going to turn LIB led by a pro-Iraq invasion MP. Seeing that Stephane Dion really has no friends in BC, a prominent NDP figure like Peter Julian will make him a perfect cabinet pick shall he form the government.

That is assuming that the federal Liberals do form a government. It's a bit early to count the chickens before they have hatched.


I dont think even Wayne Wright himself actually believes he has a chance against popular Peter Julian.

"Few people would have a chance against Julian. Face reality, kid.
Julian is here to stay, despite his
not knowing a lot on his subject areas."


Unless LIB wants to give up on this riding, other than turning Peter Julian, it is unlikely they can unseat Peter Julian with any candidate they can come up with.

Very true. The federal Liberals are not exactly a "go to" party right now.

6/30/2008 8:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, except for Mayor Corrigan, but turning Mayor Corrigan is just about impossible when the Corrigan is hinging his re-election with NDP partisan supporters, and no one is going to question the mayor's loyalty to NDP now that even his wife has decided to attach herself to BCNDP. "


She was already attached to the BC NDP (as a BCA member, and also as a member of the socialists) long before she ran for School trustee. They are both long time NDPers.

That's not news.

Peter Julian is however much more electable to general public than Mayor Corrigan, no matter as a LIB or NDP.

Few people would ever be electable as a federal Liberal enough to win.



I hope Terry Julian and LIB do turn Peter Julian eventually who will pretty much clinch the riding for Stephane Dion.

We hope this nonsense talk will end shortly.

6/30/2008 8:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Few people would ever be electable as a federal Liberal enough to win."
Few, like Peter Julian? I do agree that there are few who can match Peter Julian, likely none, and that also includes Mayor Corrigan who some have speculated as a target for LIB to turn. As for Peter Julian turning LIB? The possibility of that is remote. BUT, the possibility of electing another candidate as LIB is even more remote. I certainly do not think it is non-sense for LIB supporter to suggest Peter Julian to follow his dad's wish. His neighboring MP admittedly would not be anywhere close to where he is had he decided to follow Jack Layton. And it is only non-sense if you believe turning Peter Julian is impossible. But I would like to think otherwise.

6/30/2008 8:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Few, like Peter Julian? I do agree that there are few who can match Peter Julian, likely none, and that also includes Mayor Corrigan who some have speculated as a target for LIB to turn. As for Peter Julian turning LIB? The possibility of that is remote. BUT, the possibility of electing another candidate as LIB is even more remote. I certainly do not "think it is non-sense for LIB supporter to suggest Peter Julian to follow his dad's wish."

Where did you get the idea that his dad actually wished he would
be a federal Liberal MP as opposed to what he is now, an NDP MP?

and what could the federal Liberals possibly offer Julian? A dinner with Jean Chretien isn't exactly the biggest coveted prize in Canada.

" His neighboring MP admittedly would not be anywhere close to where he is had he decided to follow Jack Layton. And it is only non-sense if you believe turning Peter Julian is impossible. But I would like to think otherwise.

You're dreaming or smoking the extra strength DuMauriers. Those Canadian cigarettes if smoked long enough can do strange things to a person.

Julian isn't going anywhere, just as your idea isn't going anywhere.

6/30/2008 8:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NDP supporters never thought in their dream that their premier would turn LIB did they? But enough about him. Peter Julian outshines the mayors in the riding he is presiding over and it is more than obvious that he too is the LIB's only hope, albeit slim. If you think Bill Cunningham has no chance against Bill Siksay, just look at Lily Harvey. Yes, exactly what can Stepahen Dion offer to Peter Julian so Peter can finally follow his dad's wish? But I think the difference of following Jack Layton vs. Stephane Dion is already clear. Can LIB turn Peter Julian? I would always like see a surprise.

6/30/2008 9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"NDP supporters never thought in their dream that their premier would turn LIB did they?"

It wasn't as you think it was.

First he was a former Premier, not a current one, and many NDPers did not like the idea of him crossing the floor. A 'gift' was waiting for him on the other side, obviously.

"But enough about him. Peter Julian outshines the mayors in the riding he is presiding over and it is more than obvious that he too is the LIB's only hope, albeit slim."

If you figure that an import from the NDP is the only hope for the federal Liberals in Bby New West, then that party is in real trouble.


"If you think Bill Cunningham has no chance against Bill Siksay, just look at Lily Harvey."

Bill Cunningham has no chance against Siskay. Lily Harvey hasn't been proven in anything, and Cunningham hasn't really been battle tested as he's never faced a serious nomination meeting, and while he does get credit for second place, there's no prize for it. Either you win or you lose, and he's lost twice.


"Yes, exactly what can Stepahen Dion offer to Peter Julian so Peter can finally follow his dad's wish? But I think the difference of following Jack Layton vs. Stephane Dion is already clear."

One is pretty sharp (Layton) and the other (Dion) really doesn't know where in Canada he is most of the time.

"Can LIB turn Peter Julian? I would always like see a surprise."

Well I wouldn't be waiting in a lawn chair outside of Julian's MP office on Edmonds for that to happen.

There's a better chance of the federal Liberals dumping the leader's power to appoint candidates than there is for Julian to cross the floor from one Opposition Party to another.

6/30/2008 9:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's novel idea. Forget Patti Sahota running for Mayor.

Run her as the candidate for Burnaby New West for the federal Liberals.

They'll take anyone, and she's already federal Liberal so there's no reprogramming needed to have her fit correctly into the Liberal mindset.

She's lost one election, why not another?

7/02/2008 8:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent idea.
And, Patty could the win at an actual nomination meeting, unlike certain other unnamed Liberals.
And it will help Stephane Dion avoid making the same mistake as the NDP - imposing a minority candidate on a riding.

7/03/2008 10:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What would she gain out of this? We all know that there is no point trying to run a losing campaign for Patty Sahota. It will be more effective if Patty Sahota decides to endorse Terry Julian to run against Peter Julian. But rather than trying to have Peter beat his dad's party again, Patty Sahota more likely would rather see Peter Julian flipped instead of trying to run herself. If she can beat Corrigan, she may very well convince many of Peter's dad's friends in her old provincial riding to try to win him over for his dad. There is really no better way to beat the other side with one of their own.

7/03/2008 10:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter Julian isn't going anywhere.
Why would he go from one Opposition Party to another.

With Patti Sahota, she's already within the environment of the federal Liberals, the Opposition party.

She wouldn't win over Corrigan, so running federally would be better and if she won, at least she wouldn't come across as a person who received preferential treatment in politics only to throw it away later.

If there is a nomination meeting (do Liberals really have those in Burnaby?) make sure the time of registration begins and ends. At one of Patti's AGM's that wasn't done and a few people literally tore the meeting apart.

7/03/2008 11:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"She wouldn't win over Corrigan,"
And your reason being? There are hundreds of mayors across the province but there are only dozens of cabinet ministers under Gordon Campbell. Corrigan was elected because of the party he belongs to, and we all know that. Sahota and her fellow BCLIB machines, her own and other MLA's, can easily take on NDP on a scale that TB has never seen before. That is the election she can win. Against Peter Julian she cannot.

Yes, it is difficult to flip Peter Julian because unlike Elizabeth May he has the entire NDP clan in Burnaby pressuring him. So it has to be something better than Paul Martin did to turn a former NDP premier. But firstly, the liberal machines have to exhibit that they can win Burnaby's civic election as they did in New West. If they can elect Patti Sahota against the NDP tribe, they may very well elect Peter Julian against the NDP tribe.

7/04/2008 12:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And your reason being? There are hundreds of mayors across the province but there are only dozens of cabinet ministers under Gordon Campbell.

Not a viable comparative and there were only dozens of Cabinet Ministers under Dosanjh, Clark, Harcourt, VanderZalm and of course the best Premier in decades, Bill Bennett.


Corrigan was elected because of the party he belongs to, and we all know that. Sahota and her fellow BCLIB machines, her own and other MLA's, can easily take on NDP on a scale that TB has never seen before.

Corrigan was also elected because of non NDPers. His vote result tells that easily enough. Not all BC Liberal supporters voted for Stewart (including me).



That is the election she can win. Against Peter Julian she cannot.

Yes, it is difficult to flip Peter Julian because unlike Elizabeth May he has the entire NDP clan in Burnaby pressuring him.

The NDP won't pressure him to go anywhere. It's his decision to make not the party's.



So it has to be something better than Paul Martin did to turn a former NDP premier. But firstly, the liberal machines have to exhibit that they can win Burnaby's civic election as they did in New West.

Wrong. Firstly, the liberal machine has to be able to start. That may be difficult with a problematic engine that doesn't perform well even when running at a good operating temperature.



If they can elect Patti Sahota against the NDP tribe, they may very well elect Peter Julian against the NDP tribe.

You're dreaming kid. Sahota won only because of a rare occurence whereby the people were fed up with the NDP that in 2001, they would elect anyone. Same thing happened in 1975, and in 1991.

The only difference in 2001 was the huge size of the number of BC Liberals elected, which was not the right thing to end up with. A better result would have been a +10seat majority, keeping the NDP as a good opposition (not as just two).

Be lucky you saw it. It does not happen that often, especially with conservative/liberal parties at the provincial level in B.C.

7/04/2008 4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And don't forget.
The BC carbon tax will only be an election issue if the price of gas in BC is higher than the price of gas in other Canadian provinces next spring.

That is unless Carole James retires to become the new spokeswoman for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

I wonder what the chances of that are?

7/04/2008 6:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Corrigan was also elected because of non NDPers. His vote result tells that easily enough. Not all BC Liberal supporters voted for Stewart (including me)."
A BCLIB such as you who decided to vote for Corrigan, I am certain he and his wife who is now running as an BCNDP would certainly like to show their appreciation to you. However, the difference between provincial and civic election for BCNDP is only about 10%, it is this 10% that you belong that made TB lose the election. And for you to Mayor Corrigan re-elect over Mayor Sahota elect is certainly as convincing as suggesting Lee Rankin is the perfect candidate again the Mayor you voted for.

Can Peter Julian be flipped? That is up to debate. But the liberal machines will almost have to beat the Burnaby NDP tribe in the civic election to at least present an argument to flip Peter Julian and have him convince they can too elect him as a cabinet material. If the liberals can turn Peter Julian, it is no question they will effectively clinch the riding. But of course they will have to do their homework first.

7/04/2008 7:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And don't forget.
The BC carbon tax will only be an election issue if the price of gas in BC is higher than the price of gas in other Canadian provinces next spring.

In the Greater Vancouver area, it
will be.

That is unless Carole James retires to become the new spokeswoman for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

I wonder what the chances of that are?

Probably about the same as the federal Liberals actually standing for something the taxpayers could actually agree with.

7/04/2008 8:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A BCLIB such as you who decided to vote for Corrigan, I am certain he and his wife who is now running as an BCNDP would certainly like to show their appreciation to you. "

The simple fact was
Corrigan could have been an option to vote for. Stewart was not an option to vote for. The writer could have voted for Corrigan as he mentioned or not vote for the Mayor at all (there's no compulsory requirement to vote for
the Mayor on the voting card). The one thing the voter did not do is vote for Team Burnaby's offering last time as he or she wrote.




However, the difference between provincial and civic election for BCNDP is only about 10%, it is this 10% that you belong that made TB lose the election.

TB lost in other ways aside from the collected 10%. it's not a numerical percentage loss, it is a losss based on how TB conducted themselves during the election, and also Stewart himself.


And for you to Mayor Corrigan re-elect over Mayor Sahota elect is certainly as convincing as suggesting Lee Rankin is the perfect candidate again the Mayor you voted for.

There is no "Mayor Sahota". There is never any "perfect candidate".


Can Peter Julian be flipped? That is up to debate.

Since he has no indicative to cross the floor it isn't up to debate except for those who have exceptionally lengthy wishful thinking.



But the liberal machines will almost have to beat the Burnaby NDP tribe in the civic election to at least present an argument to flip Peter Julian and have him convince they can too elect him as a cabinet material.

One problem with that. First. The federal Liberals will have to be in a position that makes it so that they are definately headed towards a majority that will make them goverment (they are far from that now). Second, regionalities play into the picture, there are long time Liberals who will no doubt be far more deserving of a cabinet post than a recent arrival such as Julian. Let's explore this one step further:

Suppose Julian as a Liberal wins Burnaby New West. Suppose also that Bill Cunningham wins Burnaby Douglas. Now then, who is more entitled to a cabinet post? Answer -- Cunningham since he is of more lenghty service in the Liberals than Julian. A place such as Burnaby would not get two cabinet ministers next door to each other.

If the liberals can turn Peter Julian, it is no question they will effectively clinch the riding.

No they won't. Julian relies heavily on NDP support and they will most certainly not support him if he crossed to the Liberals. In fact, they would politically savage him.

But of course they will have to do their homework first.

Everyone has to do their homework in politics. Even you.

But for you, a remedial course in political fundamentals would be better suited. This arena of advanced politics is definately not for you.

7/04/2008 8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"One problem with that. First. The federal Liberals will have to be in a position that makes it so that they are definately headed towards a majority that will make them goverment (they are far from that now)."
Incorrect. Elizabeth May decided to endorse Stephane Dion because he like many NDP prominent figures that joined LIB thought CON was not an option, no matter if LIB has the chance to form government or not. It is the fact that there is prospect of a LIB government as opposed to no prospect of an NDP government that had them flipped.

"Second, regionalities play into the picture, there are long time Liberals who will no doubt be far more deserving of a cabinet post than a recent arrival such as Julian. Let's explore this one step further"
Also wrong, Bob Rae and Ujjal Dosanjh do not need further explanations.

"But for you, a remedial course in political fundamentals would be better suited. This arena of advanced politics is definately not for you."
Advance as in buying that NDP has the entire thing in their hand? Well, that may be true to its supporters, but not to the general electorates.

Again, can Peter Julian become a liberal like his dad? It will all depends if the liberals can elect him or not and if he will be able to do more as a liberal MP. There is no doubt Peter Julian can turn the 9% lead from 2006 into winning margins for liberals by flipping those 5%. It however will depend on liberal machines' capacity to motivate enough voters out to unseat Mayor Corrigan. If Patti Sahota fellow MLA have their machines elect their candidate, Peter Julian to win as a liberal is just as feasible. And as a liberal MP, it is also no doubt he will get paid more, no matter if he is in a shadow cabinet or a real cabinet. If the liberals want to seal the riding for Dion, then the first step will be to elect themselves into the city hall. Patti Sahota and Wayne Wright as mayors trying to flip Peter Julian will be a lot more effective than trying to find someone to replace Lily Harvey.

7/04/2008 9:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"One problem with that. First. The federal Liberals will have to be in a position that makes it so that they are definately headed towards a majority that will make them goverment (they are far from that now)."
Incorrect. Elizabeth May decided to endorse Stephane Dion because he like many NDP prominent figures that joined LIB thought CON was not an option, no matter if LIB has the chance to form government or not. It is the fact that there is prospect of a LIB government as opposed to no prospect of an NDP government that had them flipped.

The federal NDP has a slim chance of becoming government. Elizabeth May aligned herself with the federal Liberals for a reason. It wasn't because she likes the entire federal Liberal platform. It's opportunity for her than anything else (notice the federal Liberals will not be running a candidate against her).



"Second, regionalities play into the picture, there are long time Liberals who will no doubt be far more deserving of a cabinet post than a recent arrival such as Julian. Let's explore this one step further"

Also wrong, Bob Rae and Ujjal Dosanjh do not need further explanations.

They need alot of explainations, and there were a few Liberals that were deserving but were bumped off becuase of those two. I doubt those who were bumped off were very happy for Rae and Dosanjh.



"But for you, a remedial course in political fundamentals would be better suited. This arena of advanced politics is definately not for you."
Advance as in buying that NDP has the entire thing in their hand? Well, that may be true to its supporters, but not to the general electorates.

Same can be said for the BC Liberals.


Again, can Peter Julian become a liberal like his dad? It will all depends if the liberals can elect him or not and if he will be able to do more as a liberal MP.

You're forgetting one basic thing.
Julian will have to become a member of the federal Liberals, something I doubt very much he would do.




There is no doubt Peter Julian can turn the 9% lead from 2006 into winning margins for liberals by flipping those 5%.

Dreaming as usual. He's has better success in winning as an NDPer. Why would he want to try as a Liberal?



It however will depend on liberal machines' capacity to motivate enough voters out to unseat Mayor Corrigan. If Patti Sahota fellow MLA have their machines elect their candidate, Peter Julian to win as a liberal is just as feasible.

No it's not. I doubt Liberals would want the political hacks telling them how they should vote.


And as a liberal MP, it is also no doubt he will get paid more, no matter if he is in a shadow cabinet or a real cabinet.

He gets paid being an Opposition Critic now, just as he would being an Opposition Critic within the federal Liberals. To be in a real cabinet the federal Liberals would have to win big, and that's not about to happen any time soon.



If the liberals want to seal the riding for Dion, then the first step will be to elect themselves into the city hall.

That's a good one. What about the Conservatives within Team Burnaby? Don't they matter? The president of Team Burnaby is a Conservative Party member.

Patti Sahota and Wayne Wright as mayors trying to flip Peter Julian will be a lot more effective than trying to find someone to replace Lily Harvey.

WOuld Julian even waste his time listening to Sahota or Wright in the first place? They have no influence in what decisions are made for MP's in the federal Liberal party.

Why even bother with that and go the easy route. Place either Sahota or Wright in Nomination, one or the other wins and faces off against Julian.

That way the riding has a real nomination contest and not some silly event where people come to hear a 'candidate get nominated' such as was the case in Burnaby Douglas last year with Cunningham,
or having to go through the embarassment of having Dion choose the candidate for them.

Why do federal Liberals always do things far more complicated than they need to be?

If Sahota is as good as some people think she is, then test that thinking by having her run herself. That way you'd have a real federal Liberal running in a real federal Liberal riding and not just someone painted NDP orange repainted Liberal red.

7/04/2008 9:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"They need alot of explainations, and there were a few Liberals that were deserving but were bumped off becuase of those two. I doubt those who were bumped off were very happy for Rae and Dosanjh."

Maybe, but that does not matter since Ujjal became a minister and Bob was almost the leader of the party. The end does justify the flipping. If Peter Julian decides to ask the voters to choose a party that has 49% chance of forming the government according to the poll vs. a party with 0% chance, again according to the poll, he of course would easily turn those crucial 5% required to win the the election for his dad. Will Patti Sahota if elected and Wayne Wright matter? That is without question. Bill Cunningham is out of the equation and we all know it, there is however a lot of things the liberal machines can do in Peter Julian's riding. But doing this one step at a time and they need to elect their candidate into the city hall or they can simply just give up on the riding altogether.

7/05/2008 9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe, but that does not matter since Ujjal became a minister and Bob was almost the leader of the party.

Actually it does. Many Liberal MPs who would have seen that thought "I've been shovelling shit in the stables all those years and some else comes in and gets to ride the pony?"



The end does justify the flipping.

Not really since there is one big aspect to the equation.

What on earth would the Liberals have to offer? They are not government and there are other MP's more deserving of a cabinet post.


If Peter Julian decides to ask the voters to choose a party that has 49% chance of forming the government according to the poll vs. a party with 0% chance, again according to the poll, he of course would easily turn those crucial 5% required to win the the election for his dad.

Not nessesarily. If he though about that, he would have been in the Liberals quite awhile ago or even figured that since the Conservatives won government, he would have crossed the floor to the Tories, but that would be highly unusual.




Will Patti Sahota if elected and Wayne Wright matter? That is without question. Bill Cunningham is out of the equation and we all know it, there is however a lot of things the liberal machines can do in Peter Julian's riding.

They can? Is this assuming that the liberal machine actually starts and idles rather than rattling and coughing and spewing out smoke?


But doing this one step at a time and they need to elect their candidate into the city hall or they can simply just give up on the riding altogether.

The Liberals can do whatever they see fit.

Whether the voters takes in and approves the show is debatable.

7/05/2008 5:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Either one federal Liberal is screwed up badly or the local federal Liberal riding is screwed up badly.

Are Burnaby New West Liberals that desperate that they can't find a suitable candidate, and they would have to rely on the very remote chance that Peter Julian would cross the floor to join that stupid party and expect an immediate cabinet appointment (a la Dosanjh?) If Julian wanted to be in Cabinet he might as well have joined the Conservatives.

First it was Patti Sahota running for mayor (a real fantasy there), and then it was Corrigan crossing over to the Liberals (another fantasy) and now it's Julian crossing the floor from the NDP to the Liberals.

What are the local Liberals on anyway?

These fantasy trips are worse than what would result from snorting crack.

Are the Burnaby New West Liberals that desperate? Are they that bad that no one of value would be seen running for them?

Either that or there is someone out there spending too much time with the computer and not enough time enjoying the outdoors.

Why not try Raymond Leung? (Great Leader of the Team Burnaby Party) He ran as a federal Liberal before running as a Reformer.

7/05/2008 8:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard that Senator Mobina Jaffer has been trying to get lawyer Mason Loh to run for the Liberals in Burnaby New-West .

7/09/2008 9:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mobina Jaffer has to be the best example as to why the Senate should be elected by the voting citizens and not continually be a retirement home for federal Liberals (and Conservatives).

If Loh wins because of her interference, it will be good feed for the opposition to use against him.

7/09/2008 10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mason Loh is not going to win and he knows it. That is not to say he cannot win personally, but given the fact on the ground, whoever runs for federal liberals will not win. He can certainly run for other purposes, but if federal liberals want to win, the only chance clearly lies on turning Peter Julian.

7/09/2008 12:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter Julian isn't going anywhere except back to Ottawa.

Why do you insist on this nonsense that he would cross the floor to the Liberals?

Many family have "dual phased" politcs like the Julians do.


If he wanted to be in the party of government he should have crossed the floor to the Conservatives last year.

Peter isn't going to gain anything of value by joining the federal Liberals.

7/09/2008 1:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is simply a statement of truth. The only way for the liberals to win the riding is to have Peter Julian run as a liberal. Otherwise they will lose, and there is simply no other way around it. It is Peter Julian's own choice, just like it is Ujjal Dosanhj's own choice to cross the aisle. But how badly exactly do the liberals want to win? If they do not plan to win the riding, Lily Harvey would certainly be the perfect candidate since a pawn rarely comes handy.

7/09/2008 8:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is simply a statement of truth. The only way for the liberals to win the riding is to have Peter Julian run as a liberal."

He's not a Liberal so he really has
no need to join them.


"Otherwise they will lose, and there is simply no other way around it. It is Peter Julian's own choice, just like it is Ujjal Dosanhj's own choice to cross the aisle.

Actually it isn't Peter's choice at all since he isn't a Liberal to begin with. When Dosanjhn crossed the floor the Liberals were government. The Liberals are not government right now.

I doubt very much that Peter is
really all that concerned if the Liberals lose another election in Burnaby.


It would be insane to suggest the Liberals are in the state they are now simply because Peter wouldn't join them and become a "Liberal Incumbent MP".

You're looking for an easy way out which isn't going to happen.

"But how badly exactly do the liberals want to win? If they do not plan to win the riding, Lily Harvey would certainly be the perfect candidate since a pawn rarely comes handy.

From what we've read from you in regards to this silliness with Peter joing the Liberals they obviously don't want to win all that much.

If they are hoping that Peter is going to cross the floor to the Liberals to give them a virtual incumbent MP, they are in real bad shape here in Burnaby.

Which isn't all that new.

7/09/2008 9:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Derek Corrigan is a communist!
John Nuraney says so!

7/17/2008 10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A communist can only exist in a totalitarian state such as the Soviet Union or China in order to be a real communist.

Derek is a democratic socialist, not a communist.

as for John Nurnaney, he's out of his mind.

Probably from the effects of one too many A & W root beers.

7/17/2008 5:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The latest scuttlebutt from the Liberal rumour mill is that the BBY-NW nomination is being reserved for SFU professor John Richards, mastermind behind the carbon tax.

7/21/2008 10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The latest scuttlebutt from the Liberal rumour mill is that the BBY-NW nomination is being reserved for SFU professor John Richards, mastermind behind the carbon tax.

7/21/2008 10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reserved.

You mean the leader will appoint him.

Not all surprising. Billy Boy Cunningham was the benificiary of
a "reserved riding".

So why doesn't the membership of the riding association have a say on who becomes the candidate?

Or except for a source of money from fundraising the membership doesn't matter do they?

Figures.

Nothing new with the federal Liberals is there?

7/23/2008 7:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's why the Liberals are having such a hard time fundraising. The membership is adopting a "no say no pay" policy.

7/24/2008 9:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not bad.

Maybe the federal Liberals will finally get the message.

7/26/2008 5:50 PM  

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