Hey Yiu
Media commentator and NDP activist Gabriel Yiu was out in force on a health-related issue this week.
Yiu, who ran in Burnaby-Willingdon in the 2005 election, is the most likely nomination opponent for school board chair Kathy Corrigan if she were to run.
Yiu, who ran in Burnaby-Willingdon in the 2005 election, is the most likely nomination opponent for school board chair Kathy Corrigan if she were to run.
posted by Robert Burnaby at 8:24 PM
46 Comments:
Wrong.
Kathy Corrigian is seeking the nomination for the Burnaby Deer Lake Riding, not School Board.
The BCA has already nomination, but the NDP in Burnaby Deer Lake has yet to nominate.
There is more than one person for school board nomination so it would be silly to place Yiu against Kathy Corrigan vis a vis.
Anonymous, it's alright if you weren't aware of Kathy Corrigan's provincial ambitions, but if you had just bothered to read the second link (I'll pardon your not reading the first if you don't read Chinese) you'd have realized that this was in fact about the NDP provincial election nomination and not the school board.
Well, in that case, Kathy will win the Nomination.
Yiu doesn't have a chance, and might as well go back to what he was doing previously.
The local NDP see alot of opportunity in Kathy Corrigan and they will select her over Yiu.
Bet the cost of a BC Liberal Membership on that one.
Another image/issue candidate with soft support vs. partisan candidate with BCNDP machine. The only chance to turn his soft support into hard support to win is to align with Tony Kuo/Mr. Democracy's machine and simply beat Kathy Corrigan at her game.
"Kathy Corrigian is seeking the nomination for the Burnaby Deer Lake Riding, not School Board."
Read again, the resident blogger was simply referring the title Kathy has now. Since Gabriel lives in that riding, then it will be more difficult for Kathy to claim that she can be the better representative in Victoria for the riding constituents.
"Another image/issue candidate with soft support vs. partisan candidate with BCNDP machine. The only chance to turn his soft support into hard support to win is to align with Tony Kuo/Mr. Democracy's machine and simply beat Kathy Corrigan at her game."
Not going to happen.
Since Kuo was pretty much out of the NDP when he lost the nomination, his efforts would not
hold much value.
"Kathy Corrigian is seeking the nomination for the Burnaby Deer Lake Riding, not School Board."
Read again, the resident blogger was simply referring the title Kathy has now. Since Gabriel lives in that riding, then it will be more difficult for Kathy to claim that she can be the better representative in Victoria for the riding constituents.
Not nessesarily.She only lives about 1 to 5 km outside of Burnaby Deer Lake but she still resides within the City of Burnaby which means her distance from the nearest point within Burnaby Deer Lake riding is insignificant.
She has represented School District 41 for quite some time so factoring in geographic isolation isn't going to be much. It will
end up being a non issue for Bby Deer Lake voters.
Corrigan is regarded as a better candidate for the next election than Yiu. Since Yiu had lost out to John Nurnaney and they wouldn't
want to repeat that again, despite
what BC Liberals want them to do.
"Not nessesarily.She only lives about 1 to 5 km outside of Burnaby Deer Lake but she still resides within the City of Burnaby which means her distance from the nearest point within Burnaby Deer Lake riding is insignificant."
You are correct, she might as well live in Seattle and still run. The voters will decide that. But it is more than that. Kathy Corrigan is starting to be perceived as someone who is deeply associated with union interests and is trying to position herself for power. Gabriel Yiu, who can actually vote for himself, on the other hand has done enough to gain legitimacy as someone who would be more willing to work across the aisle as the more bi-partisan candidate, and like Mr. Kuo could run with either major party but without looking like a master of any political machine. No matter, as long as he can find another machine which can compete against Corrigan's own, then he should definitely try it.
"You are correct, she might as well live in Seattle and still run. The voters will decide that. But it is more than that. Kathy Corrigan is starting to be perceived as someone who is deeply associated with union interests and is trying to position herself for power. "
Nothing new there.
Gabriel Yiu, who can actually vote for himself, on the other hand has done enough to gain legitimacy as someone who would be more willing to work across the aisle as the more bi-partisan candidate, and like Mr. Kuo could run with either major party but without looking like a master of any political machine. No matter, as long as he can find another machine which can compete against Corrigan's own, then he should definitely try it.
Yiu ran once and lost. The NDP isn't about to try that again when they have a better chance of defeating John Nuraney with Kathy Corrigan as the candidate.
As for Kuo, the guy was a joke, a one time election wonder who never got anywhere.
Yiu wouldn't be a so-called bi-partisan candidate as nothing like that exists in provincial politics.
Richard Lee took on by far the strongest BCNDP machine for three times straight, without BCLIB machine in addition to his bi-partisan appeal, he would have lost. Same with Gabriel Yiu. He needs to look at how Richard Lee won against his opponent if he wants to win and adopt another machine to take on the machine that takes ownership of BCNDP leadership in Burnaby. We all knew why he was drafted in 2005.
Richard Lee took on by far the strongest BCNDP machine for three times straight, without BCLIB machine in addition to his bi-partisan appeal, he would have lost."
He won in 2005, just barely. He lost quite a bit of votes from what he received in 2001. Also, he
has unlike some other MLA's has had frequent contact with the constituents in open meetings.
"Same with Gabriel Yiu. He needs to look at how Richard Lee won against his opponent if he wants to win and adopt another machine to take on the machine that takes ownership of BCNDP leadership in Burnaby."
Yiu did not run in Burnaby North.
"We all knew why he was drafted in 2005."
and we all know why he (Yiu) won't be the NDP's choice in 2009. He didn't win and unlike the BC Liberals, the NDP takes a dim view of those who lose a potential win.
The NDP wants to have an equitable number of girl MLA's as boy MLA's,
so Gabriel is at a disadvantage
there unless he decides he doesn't
want to be a boy, and wants to be a girl.
Then he'll have an excellent chance over Kathy Corrigan.
Gabriella would have a better chance of seeking the nomination from Kathy than Gabriel.
Kathy Corrigan looked great tonight. She was sipping wine at a Metrotown wine-tasting. She was also making good contacts in a crowd of at least 300. John Nuraney was otherwise occupied. No Garbiel Yu either. Richard Lee was there as well as the Mayor and a few TEAM Burnaby types.
Thank you ET Burnaby.
What's next? How does Raymond Leung part his hair?
THANK YOU RON CHURCHILL FOR THE PARTY SCENE UPDATE. you are so insightful...
You are Burnaby's answer to Mary Hart!
Gabrel Yiu lived in Vancouver. And his wife didn't want to move to Burnaby because she didn't want to pull her kids out of their elementary school.
Has he crossed the boundary, or are the Bloggers above just trying to confuse everyone with bafflegab and outright lies?
Also - I did a Google translation on the Sing Tao story - you can too - and there is no mention of Gabriel Yiu in the story.
Readers of this blog be warned. It appears that Robert Burnaby is deliberately spreading lies!!!
So is Team Burnaby in many areas.
Lies, what lies?
1. Kathy Corrigan cannot, CANNOT, again, CANNOT vote for herself on election day.
2. Kathy Corrigan has BCNDP inner circle machine working under her, but all of that is hinged on her husband's re-election which is far from cakewalk and is about to be out-fundraised by TB.
3. Gabriel Yiu has no chance of winning unless he can attach himself onto a machine no matter if it is Mr. Democracy or else. Bill Siksay had Robinson machine working under him to defeat Pietro Calendino. Unfortunately he as only nominated because the same machine under Corrigan decided to endorse him as the candidate in 2005. Unless he can get the most prominent NDP figure in the riding Peter Julian to endorse, there is no chance he can take the nomination with BCA loyalists who used him as a pawn in 2005, let us all admit it.
1. Kathy Corrigan cannot, CANNOT, again, CANNOT vote for herself on election day.
Oh yes she can, and she will.
2. Kathy Corrigan has BCNDP inner circle machine working under her, but all of that is hinged on her husband's re-election which is far from cakewalk and is about to be out-fundraised by TB.
No it's not. The local NDP will help her get elected in 2009 even if Derek doesn't win the Mayor's chair.
Money doesn't win campaigns.
3. Gabriel Yiu has no chance of winning unless he can attach himself onto a machine no matter if it is Mr. Democracy or else. Bill Siksay had Robinson machine working under him to defeat Pietro Calendino. Unfortunately he as only nominated because the same machine under Corrigan decided to endorse him as the candidate in 2005. Unless he can get the most prominent NDP figure in the riding Peter Julian to endorse, there is no chance he can take the nomination with BCA loyalists who used him as a pawn in 2005, let us all admit it.
That is assuming that Yiu does decide to run in the provincial election in Bby Deer Lake (now Burnaby Willingdon), which probably isn't likely, given that the NDP would be more wanting Kathy Corrigan than him.
Yiu was a BCA pawn just like Harry Bloy politically 'owns' Team Burnaby.
Yeah right.
"No it's not. The local NDP will help her get elected in 2009 even if Derek doesn't win the Mayor's chair.
Money doesn't win campaigns."
Oh yes it is. Firstly, we all know why Kathy Corrigan cannot vote for herself. Without Derek Corrigan, is there any further doubt Kathy
can win the election by herself? All this talk around Kathy only came from the fact not worth repeating and even if she gets elected, BCNDP inner circle knows very well as a singular candidate, no matter how resembling her background is to Carole James, she is not even close when it comes to political savvy-ness. Even with Mayor Corrigan's help, she may not win, and not to mention her husband himself's "cakewalk" re-election is by no means assured.
Say what you want about Harry Bloy though. I am certain TB members know how important it is to unite, and BCMLA simply have their party interests aligned with TB's own.
But Gabriel Yiu was purely a pawn, we all know it. It would be foolish for him to go back to BCNDP and he would have much more credibility supporting BCLIB. Just look how BCNDP treated Mr. Democrac. The totalitarian structure of BCNDP nominates candidates based on the inner circle's own rules and they can appoint Gabriel Yiu out of nowhere and finish Mr. Democracy up just like that. The non-partisan nature of Gabriel Yiu does prompt me to prefer him over Kathy, but candidates like him can only be used as pawns. and there is also no point discussing the two Taiwanese Canadian candidates nominated by the same people.
This is very much like Obama vs. Clinton, a minority candidate out of nowhere decides to unite the anti-establishment faction and the grass-root faction to overthrow the Clintonians. If Gabriel Yiu can find the anti-establishment machine (Mr. Democracy) and push for grass-root minority support, he can very well stage an overthrow as Peter Ladner did in Vancouver, and completely take over the new BCNDP inner circle. And maybe those who used to belong to BCLIB too may be excited enough to start joining BCNDP to elect him over Kathy Corrigan and finally gets the chance to claim his candidacy as legitimate as opposed to 2005.
Oh yes it is. Firstly, we all know why Kathy Corrigan cannot vote for herself. Without Derek Corrigan, is there any further doubt Kathy
can win the election by herself?
Well for starters how about a group of dedicated supporters (the NDP does have quite a few of those).
She doesn't need Derek exclusively.
The NDP has won campaigns without him as Mayor before and will do so again.
"All this talk around Kathy only came from the fact not worth repeating and even if she gets elected, BCNDP inner circle knows very well as a singular candidate, no matter how resembling her background is to Carole James, she is not even close when it comes to political savvy-ness."
Well neither were a quite a few BC Liberals when they were first elected in fact some of them were
quite dumb when it came to serious politiking.
"Even with Mayor Corrigan's help, she may not win, and not to mention her husband himself's "cakewalk" re-election is by no means assured. "
Well it's no cake walk for Team Burnaby either.
Say what you want about Harry Bloy though. I am certain TB members know how important it is to unite, and BCMLA simply have their party interests aligned with TB's own.
Unite? You're joking, right? First Team Burnaby squeals when Garth and Gary allegedly vote "against the wishes" and a few in Team Burnaby have no intention of wanting either of them back, and a few others want Garth but not Gary so where is this so-called 'unity'?
But Gabriel Yiu was purely a pawn, we all know it. It would be foolish for him to go back to BCNDP and he would have much more credibility supporting BCLIB.
That's interesting. He is NDP so he would not support the BC Liberals.
Just look how BCNDP treated Mr. Democrac. The totalitarian structure of BCNDP nominates candidates based on the inner circle's own rules and they can appoint Gabriel Yiu out of nowhere and finish Mr. Democracy up just like that.
The BC Liberals can be just as easily totalitarian.
The non-partisan nature of Gabriel Yiu does prompt me to prefer him over Kathy, but candidates like him can only be used as pawns.
You're not NDP obviously, so your 'preferring' Yiu over Kathy Corrigan doesn't hold much value.
and there is also no point discussing the two Taiwanese Canadian candidates nominated by the same people.
There's no point in discussion who is Taiwanese, who is Hong Kong and who is from the PRC at all. We're
all Canadians.
"This is very much like Obama vs. Clinton, a minority candidate out of nowhere decides to unite the anti-establishment faction and the grass-root faction to overthrow the Clintonians."
Not exactly. He ran on a mission and people obviously accepted what he wants to accomplish.
But aside from that there no equivalent since it is U.S. national politics vs. a Canadian local city provincial political environment.
"If Gabriel Yiu can find the anti-establishment machine (Mr. Democracy) and push for grass-root minority support, he can very well stage an overthrow as Peter Ladner did in Vancouver, and completely take over the new BCNDP inner circle."
Was wondering when a dumb statement using Peter Ladner's outcome within the NPA was going to
come out. Took longer than expected.
"And maybe those who used to belong to BCLIB too may be excited enough to start joining BCNDP to elect him over Kathy Corrigan and finally gets the chance to claim his candidacy as legitimate as opposed to 2005."
Not likely, unless they like what they see in the NDP, which isn't much.
You're just writing wishful thinking. Yiu is a considerably more weaker candidate than Kathy Corrigan, and BC Liberals would hope it is him, not her that ends up being the candidate, because he would be easier to defeat than she would be.
But that's not going to happen.
Look for Kathy Corrigan to be the NDP's offering in Burnaby Deer Lake.
The NDP isn't dumb. They will present their best candidate forward and Yiu isn't it. He was a weak candidate in 2005, and because he lost in 2005, he wouldn't be worth any volunteer's time to campaign for.
"The NDP isn't dumb. They will present their best candidate forward and Yiu isn't it. He was a weak candidate in 2005, and because he lost in 2005, he wouldn't be worth any volunteer's time to campaign for."
This is too funny. Kathy's nomination race has not even started, and NDP supporters are already claiming their past candidates are "weak". Then why did they ask Kathy Corrigan to run in 2005? Like I said, quality candidates like Gabriel Yiu can only be used as pawns by BCNDP inner circle. And Gabriel will attract grass root independents if he decides to run against a partisan candidate like Corrigan. NDP is certainly not dumb, how dumb could they be to appoint a "weak" candidate to run against John Nuraney other than using him as a pawn. He can dream about being the candidate for BCNDP, unless he decides to take on the Corrigan machine, he will be no more than a also-run.
There is no question Gabriel Yiu is the better representative than Kathy Corrigan who already works with the special interest groups BEFORE the election. Gabriel would poll much higher amongst BCLIB or independents and if he wants to win, he will just have to review what Obama did to win against Clinton. I hope he runs and proves the NDP inner circles he was much more than a pawn.
This is too funny. Kathy's nomination race has not even started, and NDP supporters are already claiming their past candidates are "weak". Then why did they ask Kathy Corrigan to run in 2005?
Simple answer is they wanted a strong candidate and ended up with Gabriel Yiu instead.
Every party (including the BC Liberals) have or have had weak candidates.
Like I said, quality candidates like Gabriel Yiu can only be used as pawns by BCNDP inner circle.
The only "inner circle" that Yiu would be best to see is the left side corner circle at an NHL game.
"And Gabriel will attract grass root independents if he decides to run against a partisan candidate like Corrigan."
Dumb statement. If he runs for the NDP's nomination he IS a partisan candidate. Every member of any political party is partisan.
"NDP is certainly not dumb, how dumb could they be to appoint a "weak" candidate to run against John Nuraney other than using him as a pawn. "
Probbaly because no one wanted to do it at the time.
"He can dream about being the candidate for BCNDP, unless he decides to take on the Corrigan machine, he will be no more than a also-run. "
He's also a has-been.
There is no question Gabriel Yiu is the better representative than Kathy Corrigan who already works with the special interest groups BEFORE the election. "
Yiu isn't better a representative.
If he was he would have a large
public profile which he does not,
many voters in Burnaby Deer Lake
are not aware that he currently exists as a possible voting option.
Gabriel would poll much higher amongst BCLIB or independents and if he wants to win, he will just have to review what Obama did to win against Clinton."
Why would he do that? Different country, different political environment and circumstance. Not 100% transferrable to here. If you told him to look there, you might as well tell him to look at last year's national election in Australia.
"I hope he runs and proves the NDP inner circles he was much more than a pawn."
The outcome of that will be that Kathy Corrigan will most likely win the nomination.
What you hope for doesn't matter.
Only 45 more hours until the fundraiser for Tuberculosis.
It's time for the right wing to cough up for their new leader!
"Cough up for their new leader" is quite correct.
Team Burnaby would make the serious
member of the right wing cough up and vomit.
"The outcome of that will be that Kathy Corrigan will most likely win the nomination."
Nothing is for sure, and recent politics has taught us that more than sufficiently.
If he does run however, he must have developed his own core group of supporters for him to believe that he actually has a chance against the front runner Kathy Corrigan who has declared her candidacy in my opinion trying to associate herself as closely as possible with her husband's re-election victory for obvious reasons. And if her husband does win, it is without a doubt that no one will dare oppose her nomination candidacy.
Should Gabriel Yiu support Mayor Corrigan's re-election? Certainly he should, he would be just as loyal to the mayor as the BCNDP was to him in his 2005 election. But he must start enlisting machines from outside of BCNDP inner circles to endorse him. No matter it is Mr. Democracy, the more independent members of either TB or BCA (Gary Evans or the two Taiwanese council candidates), or even BCGRN who could be convinced of his electibility against John Nuraney to take out membership to join BCNDP to take on BCNDP's inner circles.
You're dreaming in technicolor again.
The local NDP would not want Gabirel Yiu over Kathy Corrigan since Yiu had his chance to run and lost.
As for Mr.Democracy why even bother with him?
He's a joke gone bad.
"The local NDP would not want Gabirel Yiu over Kathy Corrigan since Yiu had his chance to run and lost."
But the local NDP does not call the election. The voters do and in terms of general election Gabriel Yiu is certainly by far more electible give his appeal while Kathy is working too closely with special interests that have traditionally been associated with NDP. I believe Gabriel Yiu would be a modern Democrat much like Robertson in Vancouver where he would be able to command the respect from indepedents who would like to candidates beyond the partisan divide such as Gary Evans or Mr. Democracy. Gabriel Yiu should run and prove to the general electorates that he is more than the pawn BCNDP used him for in 2005.
But the local NDP does not call the election.
As far as the actual election goes
they don't and neither does the BC Liberals, but the NDP Riding does decide who they want to put up as a candidate.
The voters do and in terms of general election Gabriel Yiu is certainly by far more electible give his appeal while Kathy is working too closely with special interests that have traditionally been associated with NDP."
Yes and no, but most people aren't bothered with that. If they were,
then they would have elected Gabriel Yiu, but did not.
"I believe Gabriel Yiu would be a modern Democrat much like Robertson in Vancouver where he would be able to command the respect from indepedents who would like to candidates beyond the partisan divide such as Gary Evans or Mr. Democracy."
Who is Gary Evans?
Gabriel Yiu didn't get much respect in 2005, which is obvious from the result he got in the election. If the had alot of respect he would have won and John would have lost.
Gabriel Yiu should run and prove to the general electorates that he is more than the pawn BCNDP used him for in 2005.
He's a weak candidate. He was tried and he didn't work.
The NDP will try something different against the BC Liberals,
and put Kathy Corrigan out for the voters to consider.
"He's a weak candidate. He was tried and he didn't work."
Weak? Dave Myles his opponent for the nomination decided to withdraw from the race to endorse him and I just cant believe the way Corrigan loyalists are twisting the truth to weaken Gabriel Yiu's image. His influence within the Chinese community is not even going to be touched by Kathy Corrigan who is as NDP as one can be. The way NDP inner circle burns bridges on their paw should make Gabriel Yiu think long and hard about challenging Kathy Corrigan. Gabriel Yiu would have a much more broad-based support and he can easily get the nomination if he does decide to attach himself to a machine, not to mention as one of the only two Chinese NDP candidates in 2005, why should he be absent from the next election. I would say independents and BCLIB members too would gladly support a less partisan candidate like Gabriel Yiu if he is to run to challenge Kathy Corrigan. He is much more qualified than being a pawn. If he can beat Kathy Corrigan in the nomination race, he would immediately gain prominence as an even more electible candidate in the general election.
Weak? Dave Myles his opponent for the nomination decided to withdraw from the race to endorse him and I just cant believe the way Corrigan loyalists are twisting the truth to weaken Gabriel Yiu's image."
Yiu had a weak image to begin with. The results of the 2005 election say so. If he was strong he would have easily defeated John but didn't.
"His influence within the Chinese community is not even going to be touched by Kathy Corrigan who is as NDP as one can be."
Who cares about influence? All that does is benifit the person who wants to influence things, not the people who are the target.
"The way NDP inner circle burns bridges on their paw should make Gabriel Yiu think long and hard about challenging Kathy Corrigan."
Heck why not? The NDP needs some target practice so they can do some political plinking using Yiu.
"Gabriel Yiu would have a much more broad-based support and he can easily get the nomination if he does decide to attach himself to a machine, not to mention as one of the only two Chinese NDP candidates in 2005, why should he be absent from the next election."
It might be better for the NDP if he was absent fromthe next election.
"I would say independents and BCLIB members too would gladly support a less partisan candidate like Gabriel Yiu if he is to run to challenge Kathy Corrigan."
BC Liberals cannot support NDP candidates. They will have to support John.
"He is much more qualified than being a pawn. If he can beat Kathy Corrigan in the nomination race, he would immediately gain prominence as an even more electible candidate in the general election.
That is assuming he can beat Kathy Corrigan in the nomination race, which isn't likely.
The NDP sees Kathy Corrigan as a good bet against John Nuraney and I am guessing that the strong supporters and those on the local riding executive will support Kathy Corrigan.
The NDP will want a candidate that will win, and Yiu is not it.
He's been tried before and it didn't work, so the NDP will probably not want him as a candidate again.
"NDP will probably not want him as a candidate again."
Richard Lee faced off one of the Corrigan loyalists three times, and why would NDP inner circle not want Gabriel Yiu who is even more appealing to the general electorates. This kind of double standard is exactly the reason Gabriel Yiu was played by BCNDP and used as a pawn in 2005.
BCLIB can support BCNDP candidates. How? Their party members can simply sign up to become NDP members. Can it be done, I would say consult Mr. Democracy and he will show you how it's done.
As for Gabriel Yiu, there is not even any question he is the one with more broad-base support and his influence in Chinese community is also unmatched. But with the party inner circle burning bridges on Gabriel Yiu, I would say waging war on Corrigan loyalists would not be unfair, and with or without Mr. Democracy's machine, or by whatever means is really less of an issue than the fact that he was being played as a pawn in 2005.
Richard Lee faced off one of the Corrigan loyalists three times, and why would NDP inner circle not want Gabriel Yiu who is even more appealing to the general electorates. This kind of double standard is exactly the reason Gabriel Yiu was played by BCNDP and used as a pawn in 2005."
The BC Liberals are also notorious for using candidates. Richard Lee was not facing any hint of a contender for his nomination during the times that he sought the nomination.
"BCLIB can support BCNDP candidates. How? Their party members can simply sign up to become NDP members."
Can't do that. You cannot be a member of both parties at the same time. Read your membership slip.
It's been tried and discovered with one list and the results were
a disaster.
"Can it be done, I would say consult Mr. Democracy and he will show you how it's done. "
It's not a smart thing to do for either party.
Niether party needs or wants to consult with Mr. Democracy on how to run their membership rolls.
"As for Gabriel Yiu, there is not even any question he is the one with more broad-base support and his influence in Chinese community is also unmatched."
Considering that it doesn't exist all that much, and there are others out there also seeking that same spectra of support. He doesn't have exclusive territorial rights to it.
But with the party inner circle burning bridges on Gabriel Yiu, I would say waging war on Corrigan loyalists would not be unfair, and with or without Mr. Democracy's machine, or by whatever means is really less of an issue than the fact that he was being played as a pawn in 2005.
That machine of Mr.Democracy's has a cracked connecting rod, and has a leaky gasket.
A cheap piece of junk that was wisely scrapped by the voters.
"Niether party needs or wants to consult with Mr. Democracy on how to run their membership rolls."
This will be very much different from Mr. Democracy's situation in 2005. Back then he tried to sign people up to get himself nominated, but Gabriel Yiu will easily attract BCLIB or independents who would genuinely support his nomination. And there is also no problem to change anyone party's affiliation if they see the candidate they support is running with another party. There are too many NDP turned Liberals for that to be an issue. As long as Gabriel Yiu can find a machine who would work wit him to defeat Kathy Corrigan, he should certainly declare war if he sees himself as more qualified to represent the riding while Kathy Corrigan cannot vote for herself on election day. It is time for a non-partisan candidate like Gabriel Yiu who can appeal to supports on both sides so we can do away with all this polarization. I like many other independents would gladly support Gabriel Yiu's candidacy shall he decide to run for nomination, especially if Mayor Corrigan loses his re-election, Gabriel Yiu would have the momentum on his side and winning the nomination race will immediately give him the spotlight much needed for his campaign, just like how Obama did when he defeated the "inevitable" front-runner Hillary Clinton.
"This will be very much different from Mr. Democracy's situation in 2005. Back then he tried to sign people up to get himself nominated, but Gabriel Yiu will easily attract BCLIB or independents who would genuinely support his nomination."
Sorry. You're either an NDP member or a BC Liberal member. Can't be both and Yiu simply cannot use a BC Liberal membership list to solicit support since he is not a member of that party.
"And there is also no problem to change anyone party's affiliation if they see the candidate they support is running with another party. "
Wrong. There is if at the exact same time, you're a member of one party and another one. Can't be both. It is indicative of leaving one party for another.
"There are too many NDP turned Liberals for that to be an issue."
There's far more Liberals who would never support an NDP candidate for that to be significant issue.
"As long as Gabriel Yiu can find a machine who would work wit him to defeat Kathy Corrigan, he should certainly declare war if he sees himself as more qualified to represent the riding while Kathy Corrigan cannot vote for herself on election day."
Yiu shouldn't waste any energy on trying to get that to happen. If Kathy Corrigan is the NDP candidate
for the 2009 election she can and will most certainly vote for herself.
It is time for a non-partisan candidate like Gabriel Yiu who can appeal to supports on both sides so we can do away with all this polarization.
Nice try, but won't happen. The local BC Liberals would not support an NDP candidate for nomination. It's interfering in party affairs. Consequently the BC Liberals would not want local NDPers trying to get rid of Harry Bloy by becoming 'instant BC Liberals' in favour of someone the NDPers want instead.
I like many other independents would gladly support Gabriel Yiu's candidacy shall he decide to run for nomination, especially if Mayor Corrigan loses his re-election, Gabriel Yiu would have the momentum on his side and winning the nomination race will immediately give him the spotlight much needed for his campaign, just like how Obama did when he defeated the "inevitable" front-runner Hillary Clinton.
Different politics and different country.
If Derek Corrigan loses the mayor's chair, the local NDP will be more determined than ever to defeat John, Harry and Richard in the next election. The NDP does not like to be defeated.
No one is saying BCLIB should meddle with NDP's internal politics. But he does appeal to more BCLIB supporters than Kathy Corrigan. What he lacks is simply the organizational support on the ground which he can attach himself to. And yes, it is not likely any of the sitting BCLIB MLA is going to help him out.
But I disagree that Kathy Corrigan's candidacy has already been coronated regardless of her husband's performance. It makes no sense to announce it this early unless she intentionally wants to associate her NDP nomination candidacy with her husband's re-election. If her husband loses, NDP loyalists will take a bit hit and her "front=runner" status too will be no more since the very essence of what made her candidacy possible will be no more. I would suggest Gabriel Yiu to continue seeking out potential supporters and many independents will likely prefer Gabriel over Kathy. Gabriel has been active for long enough to have his own core set up. It will be interested if he dares to challenge Kathy, which would almost grant him immediate momentum into the general election.
No one is saying BCLIB should meddle with NDP's internal politics. But he does appeal to more BCLIB supporters than Kathy Corrigan."
Well you're not paying attention.
The goal is to nominate someone who can appeal to the NDP supporters plus snag a few undecideds (same thing goes for the BC Liberals. They aren't about to nominate someone the NDP likes)
"What he lacks is simply the organizational support on the ground which he can attach himself to.
If he hasn't got the fundamentals, he won't get far through the intermediates.
"And yes, it is not likely any of the sitting BCLIB MLA is going to help him out. "
Well no kidding.
"But I disagree that Kathy Corrigan's candidacy has already been coronated regardless of her husband's performance. "
Again, you're not paying attention.
Hubby's performance doesn't matter when it comes to nominations.
"It makes no sense to announce it this early unless she intentionally wants to associate her NDP nomination candidacy with her husband's re-election."
She doesn't. The two are seperate
There's no political attachment between the two.
"If her husband loses, NDP loyalists will take a bit hit and her "front=runner" status too will be no more since the very essence of what made her candidacy possible will be no more."
Not nessesarily. If she is the successful nominee, and he loses out (which isn't a sure thing), the NDP will be more determined than ever to win another seat in Burnaby and will take out John if that is what it takes.
"I would suggest Gabriel Yiu to continue seeking out potential supporters and many independents will likely prefer Gabriel over Kathy."
If it is within totally the NDP, then go for it. He is a member of that party.
Gabriel has been active for long enough to have his own core set up. It will be interested if he dares to challenge Kathy, which would almost grant him immediate momentum into the general election.
Possible, but I wouldn't bet the
Gordon Campbell carbon tax on it.
6/18/2008 11:03 PM
Gabriel Yiu has no intention of running as an MLA candidate in Burnaby. He might run in Vancouver Fraserview where he lives with his family.
"Not nessesarily. If she is the successful nominee, and he loses out (which isn't a sure thing), the NDP will be more determined than ever to win another seat in Burnaby and will take out John if that is what it takes."
If he loses out, Kathy will be on her own and her record will then be out in the public and be examined as in what she has accomplished as a school trustee with a BCA super-majority. But I think it is obvious why she announce her intention to run almost right after her husband clinched the nomination, and just as importantly after all the incumbent councilors get nominated to run for re-election. True, she is THE candidate for BCNDP inner circle, but that does not necessarily mean she will be nominated. In an era even an incumbent mayor cant clinch his own nomination, it would be premature for this small group of people to buy into the "inevitability" argument.
If he loses out, Kathy will be on her own and her record will then be out in the public and be examined as in what she has accomplished as a school trustee with a BCA super-majority."
Most likely, but the voters will decide if they accept what she has done as a school trustee, and more importantly if John is deserving of another term as a BC Liberal MLA (and if the BC Liberals deserve tokeep the MLA they have in the riding).
"But I think it is obvious why she announce her intention to run almost right after her husband clinched the nomination, and just as importantly after all the incumbent councilors get nominated to run for re-election.
True, she is THE candidate for BCNDP inner circle, but that does not necessarily mean she will be nominated."
True. The same thing has happened to many parties. The BC Liberals have their favourite 'star candidates' and a few have been bumped off in a nomination meeting becuase the voting members wanted someone else, not someone that the party decided who should be in there. Same thing happened with the Conservatives in Quadra. The lady that lost the nomination was the party's 'star candidate'.
"In an era even an incumbent mayor cant clinch his own nomination, it would be premature for this small group of people to buy into the "inevitability" argument.
Well he did clinch his own nomination.
What's yet to occur is his re-elected.
It's not guaranteed.
But neither is a majority win by Team Burnaby.
Depends on what the voters see and ultimately decide what we want.
"Gabriel Yiu has no intention of running as an MLA candidate in Burnaby. He might run in Vancouver Fraserview where he lives with his family."
As an NDP candidate? There's a simple two word answer for that.
He can't.
The NDP won't allow him to run there.
It's a nomination for women only.
His best bet is to run as an indepedent.
Can't see a member of the socialists joining those evil awful
Liberals particularly at this time with that icky carbon tax lurking out there.
"True. The same thing has happened to many parties. The BC Liberals have their favourite 'star candidates' and a few have been bumped off in a nomination meeting becuase the voting members wanted someone else, not someone that the party decided who should be in there. Same thing happened with the Conservatives in Quadra. The lady that lost the nomination was the party's 'star candidate'."
Even more importantly, it will be difficult trying to frame Kathy Corrigan as a "star candidate". Mayor Sullivan could not even clinch his own nomination, why are many so sure that Kathy would clinch her own. One can make believe that Kathy will clinch the nomination and simply walk over John's body and rise the ferry to Victoria so she can sit in the backbench, but too many "inevitable" candidates have lost their nominations. I am certain there will be candidates out there who have equally as strong machine contemplating challenging Burnaby NDP inner circles to get nominated, and I will not be surprised to see someone like Mr. Democracy who has far more firepower to win the nomination and as a consequence demonized at the very end for his courage to challenge the NDP establishment.
Even more importantly, it will be difficult trying to frame Kathy Corrigan as a "star candidate".
For the NDP members? Not really.
They will nominate her unless someone better comes along (and that someone will be one with a well known profile in the community, not a one time wonder
such as Gabriel Yiu. The only one that would want him as an NDP candidate is the BC Liberals but they don't have a say in who the NDP candidate is.
Mayor Sullivan could not even clinch his own nomination, why are many so sure that Kathy would clinch her own.
The two are different. Sam lost because of his ineptness and a direct challenge to his incumbency. Yiu has no such thing
with the Burnaby Deer Lake NDP.
"One can make believe that Kathy will clinch the nomination and simply walk over John's body and rise the ferry to Victoria so she can sit in the backbench, but too many "inevitable" candidates have lost their nominations.
True.
I am certain there will be candidates out there who have equally as strong machine contemplating challenging Burnaby NDP inner circles to get nominated, and I will not be surprised to see someone like Mr. Democracy who has far more firepower to win the nomination and as a consequence demonized at the very end for his courage to challenge the NDP establishment.
You're joking right. Him? He was joke to both the NDP and the BC Liberals. Niether party would take him as a candidate.
The guy has potential, but he needs to learn a few basics first
if he wants to get into the political game.
"They will nominate her unless someone better comes along (and that someone will be one with a well known profile in the community, not a one time wonder
such as Gabriel Yiu. The only one that would want him as an NDP candidate is the BC Liberals but they don't have a say in who the NDP candidate is."
Someone better? Hmm..Let us see Kathy Corrigan's record again, she was a home maker 10 years ago until she got elected onto the school board, as a homemaker. Certainly no one should deny her contribution to the community as a volunteer, but we all know where all this "prominence" came from. There is no question she is politically savvy wrestling over the chairwomanship from other veteran trustees. But trying to frame her short political career as qualification over Gabriel Yiu will be a difficult sale since Gabriel has worked, literally, his tails off to oppose Premier Campbell. It too will be truly difficult to frame her as a "star candidate" as it will be virtually not possible to separate the mayor from her short political career. Jacky Layton's own wife ran for NDP as well and that should be a sign to BC's NDP that no victory is guaranteed. No question Kathy continues to command respect across the city. But even with John Nuraney perceived as the weakest amongst the three BCLIB MLA incumbents in the city, BCNDP will face a difficult task to frame John Nuraney to be "less qualified" as an MLA than Kathy Corrigan and they will find themselves out of reasons to ask the voters not to vote for the incumbent.
a ) Gabriel won't run in Burnaby.
b) Kathy trounces Nuraney.
c) Derek. ... loses to Garth in 2011?
(d) all of the above.
In the case of (c) above, Team Burnaby by then actually becomes a civic party that people are attracted to which offers more than just a fundraiser for the local wags to network in, and is
not much more than a Burnaby whinery.
Agree - Team Burnaby.
Burnaby's finest whine.
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