"Corrigan is cleaning house come November." And which poll are you basing this on? The one that says 50% of the voters approves Corrigan administration or the one that says 50% disapproves. Some people are just making up opinions that are baseless come election season. My suggestion is to run this election as if you DONT "have it in the bag".
I'm amused by the BCA cheerleaders; the BCA slate is the usual union heavies and duds with a little Asian window dressing. I'm surprised they didn't run B.C. Fed's Gordy Larkin as a candidate. And with Garth Evans all ready to take on Corrigan, they should be very worried. His performance on the budget at council was nothing short of brilliant. He really showed he knows his stuff. I only wish he had spoken for more than 30 seconds.
She will receive EI (maternity benifits). Whether she campaigns is not a factor since it is not considered a job.
As for Garth, he has the right direction but wrong approach. Systems are periodically upgraded to enure they are not redundant and the costs associated with the servers isn't tied to the bought comptuer system.
But too bad Team Burnaby pisses off alot of people who otherwise would be able to earn them political points.
Team Burnaby is not the only route towards a non BCA majority on council.
"Team Burnaby is not the only route towards a non BCA majority on council."
Of course not. Barbara Spitz, Gary Begin and "The Impersonator" are going to top the polls this time. Everyone knows that.
Bloy's Boyz are going to run a another great campaign for them. The BCLP machine will pull out all the stops and raise big money to make it all happen.
All this talk about her eligibility to receive EI benefits is intriging but likely pointless. Reasons? For one, as powerful as she is, for those who have not noticed, she has NOT been nominated and the only power she has right now is confined within the realm of secondary and elementary education. And in a thread that is supposed to be about BCA nominees, all this talk about Kathy Corrigan is probably somewhat disrespectful to the BCA nominee.
Back to the issues and where BCA nominees stand on them. Where does BCA nominee stand on computer-gate? Are they ready to rebuke patronage appointment to city hall? And are they ready to face the possibility that the city will be paying out millions in settlement in addition to the tens of millions that are not expected when Corrigan was elected in 2005. One wonders what suprises will the next BCA government leave the voters with?
"All this talk about her eligibility to receive EI benefits is intriging but likely pointless. Reasons? For one, as powerful as she is, for those who have not noticed, she has NOT been nominated and the only power she has right now is confined within the realm of secondary and elementary education. "
Actually she has been nominated as a candidate for the BCA. So she's at the same level as any other BCA school trustee candidate, that is she is indeed part of the candidate group that will be brought forward to the voters to consider electing.
"And in a thread that is supposed to be about BCA nominees, all this talk about Kathy Corrigan is probably somewhat disrespectful to the BCA nominee."
That's a bit odd. You first state she has not been nominated and yet later on (see above) you state she is. Kathy Corrigan is intact as a school trustee until her term ends the day after civic election day in November. Then she advances to chase after John Nurnaney's seat.
"Back to the issues and where BCA nominees stand on them. Where does BCA nominee stand on computer-gate?"
Ask them.
"Are they ready to rebuke patronage appointment to city hall?"
Probably. But would Team Burnaby absolutely 100% prevent ANY of its supporters who work the campaign from obtaining any renumeratted appointments? This includes Secretary to the Mayor and will most certainly mean absolutely no nonsense positions such as that created in Vancouver by Sam Sullivan (Caucus Director is the position referred to).
"And are they ready to face the possibility that the city will be paying out millions in settlement in addition to the tens of millions that are not expected when Corrigan was elected in 2005."
Don't know that. Wait for the court decision on that one.
One wonders what suprises will the next BCA government leave the voters with?
Certinaly ones alot easier to take than what Team Burnaby would come up with.
'Ask them.' That is not necessary. We all know where the five incumbents stand, most noticeably the current chair of finance committee who, according to the latest quote on Burnaby Now, is implying that we should simply get over it.
I think what is happening to our city's political scene can be mirrored with the recent parliamentary election held in Cuba where the governing party was able to win outright majority. Likewise, at the present moment, our opposition is seriously lacking the credibility to garner enough confidence from the voters to form government. Get split and be conquered. Because seriously, do they actually want to win? When personal ambition comes into play, apparently not. Without a credible alternative, it is obvious that BCA deserves to win by landslide.
Enough with all the positioning of who deserves to run against Mayor Corrigan. Certainly everyone can win, but at the end of the day there is only one candidates that can get elected. Unity 08 is their only chance against BCA. There are many quality BCA nominees, and Mayor Corrigan does have the full confidence of his supporters despite many things that happened under his watch. The next election is not only the confidence vote on BCA, it is also a vote of confidence on the current opposition which could be wiped out of Burnaby city hall. Maybe it is finally time for a new opposition tribe to be formed.
"That is not necessary. We all know where the five incumbents stand, most noticeably the current chair of finance committee who, according to the latest quote on Burnaby Now, is implying that we should simply get over it. "
and why not? Many simply don't understand that systems are not chipped in granite. The fault lies in Council not sending the proposal to outside experts (those who work the larger business systems not your at home PC geek).
I think what is happening to our city's political scene can be mirrored with the recent parliamentary election held in Cuba where the governing party was able to win outright majority.
That's a huge stretch, since there is no opposition parties in existence, attributed to the fact that any opposition interests are prohibited by the govenrment there. Here, anyone can run for civic government. Big difference between here (Canada) and there (Cuba).
Since there is no opposition parties in Cuba, your statement is factually inaccurate.
Care to mention the People's Republic of China? There's no opposition parties allow there either.
"Likewise, at the present moment, our opposition is seriously lacking the credibility to garner enough confidence from the voters to form government."
A cause of them not looking at the big picture and getting into internal power struggles.
"Get split and be conquered. Because seriously, do they actually want to win? When personal ambition comes into play, apparently not. Without a credible alternative, it is obvious that BCA deserves to win by landslide. "
Indeed. FInd fault with Team Burnaby and its president with his silly statements, resolve the problem and hopefully the better goal might come, but it might be too late.
Enough with all the positioning of who deserves to run against Mayor Corrigan. Certainly everyone can win, but at the end of the day there is only one candidates that can get elected. Unity 08 is their only chance against BCA. There are many quality BCA nominees, and Mayor Corrigan does have the full confidence of his supporters despite many things that happened under his watch. The next election is not only the confidence vote on BCA, it is also a vote of confidence on the current opposition which could be wiped out of Burnaby city hall. Maybe it is finally time for a new opposition tribe to be formed.
Tribe? What is this? Survivor?
Certainly 'Burnaby's Got Talent' isn't working and neither is "Burnaby Idol".
"Indeed. Find fault with Team Burnaby and its president with his silly statements, resolve the problem and hopefully the better goal might come, but it might be too late."
The fault does not lie with Team Burnaby. Gary and Garth came to Team Burnaby to see Corrigan unseated, now they are coming together to see Rankin unseated. If Garth decides to take on Team Burnaby just to see Rankin lose, then the voters may very well send him off as well. All this running to become an opposition on the council is draining and it is time for peace and cooperation or risk annihilation.
The fault does not lie with Team Burnaby. Gary and Garth came to Team Burnaby to see Corrigan unseated, now they are coming together to see Rankin unseated."
I doubt that. Gary and Garth will be running as indepedents.
"If Garth decides to take on Team Burnaby just to see Rankin lose, then the voters may very well send him off as well."
Garth will run independently, irregardless of Team Burnaby. Team Burnaby does not 'own' anything on the opposition side of civic politics.
"All this running to become an opposition on the council is draining and it is time for peace and cooperation or risk annihilation
This whole thing wouldn't have happened if Team Burnaby hadn't gone dumb in their ways to begin with.
It's up to them to figure out what they want to do next. The damage has been done, the line has been crossed.
Go for it. Only a few more weeks left to TEAM bash. You better get your digs in now. The June 18th Gala dinner at the Hilton will show just how big a movement it is. It will show who has momentum, who is raising money for the 2008 campaign and just how widespread is its support.
It takes a lot of effort to organize and run a full campaign ready and able to go head-to-head with the BCA/NDP.
Rather than worrying about TEAM, those who want to run as independents should worry more about their own resources and how they will present themselves to the voters. Or maybe that's the point. They only know how to criticize others and walk out. They can't do much else. And by definition, as "independents" they can't even work together.
"Go for it. Only a few more weeks left to TEAM bash. You better get your digs in now. The June 18th Gala dinner at the Hilton will show just how big a movement it is. It will show who has momentum, who is raising money for the 2008 campaign and just how widespread is its support. "
Sure and who is wasting $95.00 to watch Lee Rankin visit tables.
"It takes a lot of effort to organize and run a full campaign ready and able to go head-to-head with the BCA/NDP.
Indeed. Too bad Team Brunaby hasn't got the resources to do it.
"Rather than worrying about TEAM, those who want to run as independents should worry more about their own resources and how they will present themselves to the voters. "
No need. They have the resources. Team Burnaby certainly does not have a monopoly on volunteers who know what it takes to win.
"Or maybe that's the point. They only know how to criticize others and walk out."
Seems a few Team Burnaby people are missing the point as to the result. They still don't realise what the cause was.
"They can't do much else. And by definition, as "independents" they can't even work together."
I'm so pleased they have great workers and organizers like you. When is your first big fundraiser? maybe we'll come and check out how the independents are doing.
Blogger wrote: "Seems a few Team Burnaby people are missing the point as to the result. They still don't realise what the cause was."
Oh I think they all know exactly what the cause was. I hear they are actually glad the independents are gone. Should have happened long ago but no one really wanted to kick them out. Much better they make the exit themselves.
I'm so pleased they have great workers and organizers like you. When is your first big fundraiser? maybe we'll come and check out how the independents are doing
If there's an event, I'm not organizing it as I don't do that sort of thing.
If there is one, it will be by invitation only. Konwn Team Burnaby types wouldn't be invited. If they got in, they'd be shown the door if they don't behave.
Let us say.. WHAT IF TB out fund raises Mayor Corrigan?
This fund raiser is an opportunity to gain authenticity as the proper opposition again if it turns out to be a success. The ball will not be played to Garth and Gary's hands. TB is smart enough to have prominent figures in the city to start picking sides. A success at the event will either have Gary and Garth running back to endorse the party again or otherwise have them eliminated from civic politics.
As for BCA nominees, it is not TB members they have to answer to, it is the voters that they have to answer if they do choose to ignore any misjudgment the mayor may have over the past three years.
"Let us say.. WHAT IF TB out fund raises Mayor Corrigan?"
Doubt that will happen since Corrigan relies on the universal fundraising pool of the BCA (just as all money sent to Team Burnaby is spread around the candidates).
The BCA has quite a few financial resources. They are hardly a new political team on the ice.
"This fund raiser is an opportunity to gain authenticity as the proper opposition again if it turns out to be a success."
The only authenticity that Team Burnaby is going to receive when they smarten up and stop being arrogant.
"The ball will not be played to Garth and Gary's hands. TB is smart enough to have prominent figures in the city to start picking sides."
Like who? Lee Rankin? He's a start, not a finish.
" A success at the event will either have Gary and Garth running back to endorse the party again or otherwise have them eliminated from civic politics."
That's for the voters decide, not Team Burnaby.
"As for BCA nominees, it is not TB members they have to answer to, it is the voters that they have to answer if they do choose to ignore any misjudgment the mayor may have over the past three years."
Exactly, and Team Burnaby candidates wil also have to answer to those same voters.
"The only authenticity that Team Burnaby is going to receive when they smarten up and stop being arrogant." Arrogant? Had Garth and Gary run as independents in 2001, where would they be in the last poll? So one question which voters are Garth and Gary trying to attract? Not young or immigrant voters. Not BCLIB supporters given that Harry Bloy is officially backing TB, so are Richard and John. And certainly not BCA members, so who are they kidding really?
Even if they get elected, there is nothing stopping them from joining the party in power as sitting as partisan "independents" will make voting against the mayor even more dangerous. And to run against a mayor without any fundamentals, I am afraid is likely going to leave a good mark on our friends' political resume.
"Team Burnaby candidates wil also have to answer to those same voters."
Don't bet on it. Civic majorities are generally voted out because of poor stewardship, high tax rates, top-ten crime rates or environmental mishaps. Golly Gee!!! That pretty well exactly describes Mayor Corrigan and his BCA/NDP council.
It will take a strong cohesive group with a great candidate for mayor to do it, but T/B sure looks like the only organization in this city that can put it together. Now that the "Independents" are gone T/B can finally generate some momentum for the coming election. As to what others may do - who cares. There is far too much work to do to worry about them.
Don't bet on it. Civic majorities are generally voted out because of poor stewardship, high tax rates, top-ten crime rates or environmental mishaps."
Here we go again with the 'environmental mishap' which the cause was not at any time with council. The same mishap could have easily happened if Team Burnaby was in governance.
The voters don't seem to be bothered by so-called 'high taxes' except those who are members of Team Burnaby.
" Golly Gee!!! That pretty well exactly describes Mayor Corrigan and his BCA/NDP council."
Well according to you it does.
It will take a strong cohesive group with a great candidate for mayor to do it, but T/B sure looks like the only organization in this city that can put it together."
Right. They can't even hold their own executive. Team Burnaby is not a civic group of goverance.
" Now that the "Independents" are gone T/B can finally generate some momentum for the coming election."
Sure they can. If there's fighting over the steering wheel, the momentum will carry Team Burnaby right to the abutment and they will sail off in a beautiful arc towards the ravine below in a spectacular crash and burn.
"As to what others may do - who cares. There is far too much work to do to worry about them."
"Here we go again with the 'environmental mishap' which the cause was not at any time with council. The same mishap could have easily happened if Team Burnaby was in governance." Could have but didn't. Computer-gate could have happened under T/B's watch, but didn't. Mayor Corrigan is currently being sued and that could have happened but didn't. I guess it is unfortunate that voters have decided to let BCA make all these mistakes. Maybe they will decide to finally let them go.
I wonder people got the point here. Why should BCA nominees endorse Mayor Corrigan's re-election? Because they approve his socialist ideology whose wife will soon be competing to become the socialist party's candidate. Because they think Mayor Corrigan made sure crime rate didn't rise too much? Or because Mayor Corrigan is just too good a leader to pass on. That will continue to be a puzzle to the voters.
Could have but didn't. Computer-gate could have happened under T/B's watch, but didn't.
The two are not really comparable since the cause of the pipeline eruption was not attributed to any decisions by council, but the computer system was to a degree.
Mayor Corrigan is currently being sued and that could have happened but didn't. I guess it is unfortunate that voters have decided to let BCA make all these mistakes. Maybe they will decide to finally let them go.
And team Burnaby if elected would not commit any errors? Surely you jest. Every government has errors even Gordon Campbell's.
I wonder people got the point here. Why should BCA nominees endorse Mayor Corrigan's re-election?
Because they are members of the same party that Corrigian is and that they run as a slate (hint: does Team Burnaby run as a slate?)
"Because they approve his socialist ideology whose wife will soon be competing to become the socialist party's candidate.
Has really nothing to do with socialist ideaology. The socialist concepts don't really go to the civic level, they are mostly for provincial and federal.
As for Kathy Corrigan, she wouldn't get much competition for her nomination since she is a perferred candidate (hint: the BC Liberals have 'preferred candidates' and do make it diffuclt for anyone else other than those preferred candidates to win, but it has happened).
Because they think Mayor Corrigan made sure crime rate didn't rise too much?
Probably the result of Wally Oppal and the Solicitor General not doing enough and being too wimpy on criminals.
Or because Mayor Corrigan is just too good a leader to pass on. That will continue to be a puzzle to the voters.
The other puzzle of course is why Team Burnaby is self destructing despite the violin number by Raymond Leung in the paper.
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Corrigan is cleaning house come November.
"Corrigan is cleaning house come November."
And which poll are you basing this on? The one that says 50% of the voters approves Corrigan administration or the one that says 50% disapproves. Some people are just making up opinions that are baseless come election season. My suggestion is to run this election as if you DONT "have it in the bag".
"Now on maternity leave from the elementary school where she teaches, Kang said her family will be crucial to her campaign.
Both her mother and mother-in-law will help care for her six-month-old daughter while she's knocking on doors
"They'll be there for me," Kang added."
Will she be getting EI while campaigning for civic office.
"Chang, a former movie actor in Taiwan, said he's already well-known within Burnaby's Taiwanese and Chinese communities."
Good to see the BCA is getting some quality grass roots candidates.
I'm amused by the BCA cheerleaders; the BCA slate is the usual union heavies and duds with a little Asian window dressing. I'm surprised they didn't run B.C. Fed's Gordy Larkin as a candidate. And with Garth Evans all ready to take on Corrigan, they should be very worried. His performance on the budget at council was nothing short of brilliant. He really showed he knows his stuff. I only wish he had spoken for more than 30 seconds.
She will receive EI (maternity benifits). Whether she campaigns is not a factor since it is not considered a job.
As for Garth, he has the right direction but wrong approach. Systems are periodically upgraded to enure they are not redundant and the costs associated with the servers isn't tied to the bought comptuer system.
But too bad Team Burnaby pisses off alot of people who otherwise would be able to earn them political points.
Team Burnaby is not the only route towards a non BCA majority on council.
"Team Burnaby is not the only route towards a non BCA majority on council."
Of course not. Barbara Spitz, Gary Begin and "The Impersonator" are going to top the polls this time. Everyone knows that.
Bloy's Boyz are going to run a another great campaign for them. The BCLP machine will pull out all the stops and raise big money to make it all happen.
"She will receive EI (maternity benifits). Whether she campaigns is not a factor since it is not considered a job."
But she will not be available for employment.
All this talk about her eligibility to receive EI benefits is intriging but likely pointless. Reasons? For one, as powerful as she is, for those who have not noticed, she has NOT been nominated and the only power she has right now is confined within the realm of secondary and elementary education. And in a thread that is supposed to be about BCA nominees, all this talk about Kathy Corrigan is probably somewhat disrespectful to the BCA nominee.
Back to the issues and where BCA nominees stand on them. Where does BCA nominee stand on computer-gate? Are they ready to rebuke patronage appointment to city hall? And are they ready to face the possibility that the city will be paying out millions in settlement in addition to the tens of millions that are not expected when Corrigan was elected in 2005. One wonders what suprises will the next BCA government leave the voters with?
"All this talk about her eligibility to receive EI benefits is intriging but likely pointless. Reasons? For one, as powerful as she is, for those who have not noticed, she has NOT been nominated and the only power she has right now is confined within the realm of secondary and elementary education. "
Actually she has been nominated as a candidate for the BCA. So she's at the same level as any other BCA
school trustee candidate, that is she is indeed part of the candidate group that will be brought forward to the voters to consider electing.
"And in a thread that is supposed to be about BCA nominees, all this talk about Kathy Corrigan is probably somewhat disrespectful to the BCA nominee."
That's a bit odd. You first state she has not been nominated and yet later on (see above) you state she is. Kathy Corrigan is intact as a school trustee until her term ends the day after civic election day in November. Then she advances to chase after John Nurnaney's seat.
"Back to the issues and where BCA nominees stand on them. Where does BCA nominee stand on computer-gate?"
Ask them.
"Are they ready to rebuke patronage appointment to city hall?"
Probably. But would Team Burnaby absolutely 100% prevent ANY of its supporters who work the campaign from obtaining any renumeratted appointments? This includes Secretary to the Mayor and will most certainly mean absolutely no nonsense positions such as that created in Vancouver by Sam Sullivan (Caucus Director is the position referred to).
"And are they ready to face the possibility that the city will be paying out millions in settlement in addition to the tens of millions that are not expected when Corrigan was elected in 2005."
Don't know that. Wait for the court decision on that one.
One wonders what suprises will the next BCA government leave the voters with?
Certinaly ones alot easier to take than what Team Burnaby would come up with.
I hate surprises.
'Ask them.'
That is not necessary. We all know where the five incumbents stand, most noticeably the current chair of finance committee who, according to the latest quote on Burnaby Now, is implying that we should simply get over it.
I think what is happening to our city's political scene can be mirrored with the recent parliamentary election held in Cuba where the governing party was able to win outright majority. Likewise, at the present moment, our opposition is seriously lacking the credibility to garner enough confidence from the voters to form government. Get split and be conquered. Because seriously, do they actually want to win? When personal ambition comes into play, apparently not. Without a credible alternative, it is obvious that BCA deserves to win by landslide.
Enough with all the positioning of who deserves to run against Mayor Corrigan. Certainly everyone can win, but at the end of the day there is only one candidates that can get elected. Unity 08 is their only chance against BCA. There are many quality BCA nominees, and Mayor Corrigan does have the full confidence of his supporters despite many things that happened under his watch. The next election is not only the confidence vote on BCA, it is also a vote of confidence on the current opposition which could be wiped out of Burnaby city hall. Maybe it is finally time for a new opposition tribe to be formed.
"That is not necessary. We all know where the five incumbents stand, most noticeably the current chair of finance committee who, according to the latest quote on Burnaby Now, is implying that we should simply get over it. "
and why not? Many simply don't understand that systems are not chipped in granite. The fault lies in Council not sending the proposal to outside experts (those who work the larger business systems not your at home PC geek).
I think what is happening to our city's political scene can be mirrored with the recent parliamentary election held in Cuba where the governing party was able to win outright majority.
That's a huge stretch, since there is no opposition parties in existence, attributed to the fact that any opposition interests are prohibited by the govenrment there. Here, anyone can run for civic government. Big difference between here (Canada) and there (Cuba).
Since there is no opposition parties in Cuba, your statement is factually inaccurate.
Care to mention the People's Republic of China? There's no opposition parties allow there either.
"Likewise, at the present moment, our opposition is seriously lacking the credibility to garner enough confidence from the voters to form government."
A cause of them not looking at the big picture and getting into internal power struggles.
"Get split and be conquered. Because seriously, do they actually want to win? When personal ambition comes into play, apparently not. Without a credible alternative, it is obvious that BCA deserves to win by landslide. "
Indeed. FInd fault with Team Burnaby and its president with his silly statements, resolve the problem and hopefully the better goal might come, but it might be too late.
Enough with all the positioning of who deserves to run against Mayor Corrigan. Certainly everyone can win, but at the end of the day there is only one candidates that can get elected. Unity 08 is their only chance against BCA. There are many quality BCA nominees, and Mayor Corrigan does have the full confidence of his supporters despite many things that happened under his watch. The next election is not only the confidence vote on BCA, it is also a vote of confidence on the current opposition which could be wiped out of Burnaby city hall. Maybe it is finally time for a new opposition tribe to be formed.
Tribe? What is this? Survivor?
Certainly 'Burnaby's Got Talent' isn't working and neither is "Burnaby Idol".
The voters know the difference between the real opposition at city hall and someone who is twice spurned and disgruntled.
Forget Survivor, Canadian Idol or whatever.
This blog is Fantasy Island.
This blog isn't Fantasy Island.
It's local version of The Gong Show.
"Indeed. Find fault with Team Burnaby and its president with his silly statements, resolve the problem and hopefully the better goal might come, but it might be too late."
The fault does not lie with Team Burnaby. Gary and Garth came to Team Burnaby to see Corrigan unseated, now they are coming together to see Rankin unseated. If Garth decides to take on Team Burnaby just to see Rankin lose, then the voters may very well send him off as well. All this running to become an opposition on the council is draining and it is time for peace and cooperation or risk annihilation.
The fault does not lie with Team Burnaby. Gary and Garth came to Team Burnaby to see Corrigan unseated, now they are coming together to see Rankin unseated."
I doubt that. Gary and Garth will be running as indepedents.
"If Garth decides to take on Team Burnaby just to see Rankin lose, then the voters may very well send him off as well."
Garth will run independently, irregardless of Team Burnaby. Team Burnaby does not 'own' anything on the opposition side of civic politics.
"All this running to become an opposition on the council is draining and it is time for peace and cooperation or risk annihilation
This whole thing wouldn't have happened if Team Burnaby hadn't gone dumb in their ways to begin with.
It's up to them to figure out what they want to do next. The damage has been done, the line has been crossed.
Go for it. Only a few more weeks left to TEAM bash. You better get your digs in now. The June 18th Gala dinner at the Hilton will show just how big a movement it is. It will show who has momentum, who is raising money for the 2008 campaign and just how widespread is its support.
It takes a lot of effort to organize and run a full campaign ready and able to go head-to-head with the BCA/NDP.
Rather than worrying about TEAM, those who want to run as independents should worry more about their own resources and how they will present themselves to the voters. Or maybe that's the point. They only know how to criticize others and walk out. They can't do much else. And by definition, as "independents" they can't even work together.
"Go for it. Only a few more weeks left to TEAM bash. You better get your digs in now. The June 18th Gala dinner at the Hilton will show just how big a movement it is. It will show who has momentum, who is raising money for the 2008 campaign and just how widespread is its support. "
Sure and who is wasting $95.00 to watch Lee Rankin visit tables.
"It takes a lot of effort to organize and run a full campaign ready and able to go head-to-head with the BCA/NDP.
Indeed. Too bad Team Brunaby hasn't got the resources to do it.
"Rather than worrying about TEAM, those who want to run as independents should worry more about their own resources and how they will present themselves to the voters. "
No need. They have the resources. Team Burnaby certainly does not have a monopoly on volunteers who know what it takes to win.
"Or maybe that's the point. They only know how to criticize others and walk out."
Seems a few Team Burnaby people are missing the point as to the result. They still don't realise what the cause was.
"They can't do much else. And by definition, as "independents" they can't even work together."
Bet your ass they can.
I'm so pleased they have great workers and organizers like you. When is your first big fundraiser? maybe we'll come and check out how the independents are doing.
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"Seems a few Team Burnaby people are missing the point as to the result. They still don't realise what the cause was."
Oh I think they all know exactly what the cause was. I hear they are actually glad the independents are gone. Should have happened long ago but no one really wanted to kick them out. Much better they make the exit themselves.
I understand this June 18 event will have a flambe for dessert!
What fun!
Flambe for dessert? Maybe. I haven't heard yet. You know more than me.
I'm so pleased they have great workers and organizers like you. When is your first big fundraiser? maybe we'll come and check out how the independents are doing
If there's an event, I'm not organizing it as I don't do that sort of thing.
If there is one, it will be by invitation only. Konwn Team Burnaby types wouldn't be invited. If they got in, they'd be shown the door if they don't behave.
Flambe for dessert? Maybe. I haven't heard yet. You know more than me.
Flambe isn't a dessert. It's enthanol put into a hot pan to have something such as quail burst into flame while serving.
Kinda hard to do with sherbert or
cheeecake, but you know Team Burnaby. They'll try anything to get a vote.
Let us say.. WHAT IF TB out fund raises Mayor Corrigan?
This fund raiser is an opportunity to gain authenticity as the proper opposition again if it turns out to be a success. The ball will not be played to Garth and Gary's hands. TB is smart enough to have prominent figures in the city to start picking sides. A success at the event will either have Gary and Garth running back to endorse the party again or otherwise have them eliminated from civic politics.
As for BCA nominees, it is not TB members they have to answer to, it is the voters that they have to answer if they do choose to ignore any misjudgment the mayor may have over the past three years.
"Let us say.. WHAT IF TB out fund raises Mayor Corrigan?"
Doubt that will happen since Corrigan relies on the universal fundraising pool of the BCA (just as all money sent to Team Burnaby is spread around the candidates).
The BCA has quite a few financial resources. They are hardly a new political team on the ice.
"This fund raiser is an opportunity to gain authenticity as the proper opposition again if it turns out to be a success."
The only authenticity that Team Burnaby is going to receive when they smarten up and stop being arrogant.
"The ball will not be played to Garth and Gary's hands. TB is smart enough to have prominent figures in the city to start picking sides."
Like who? Lee Rankin? He's a start, not a finish.
" A success at the event will either have Gary and Garth running back to endorse the party again or otherwise have them eliminated from civic politics."
That's for the voters decide, not Team Burnaby.
"As for BCA nominees, it is not TB members they have to answer to, it is the voters that they have to answer if they do choose to ignore any misjudgment the mayor may have over the past three years."
Exactly, and Team Burnaby candidates wil also have to answer to those same voters.
"The only authenticity that Team Burnaby is going to receive when they smarten up and stop being arrogant."
Arrogant? Had Garth and Gary run as independents in 2001, where would they be in the last poll? So one question which voters are Garth and Gary trying to attract? Not young or immigrant voters. Not BCLIB supporters given that Harry Bloy is officially backing TB, so are Richard and John. And certainly not BCA members, so who are they kidding really?
Even if they get elected, there is nothing stopping them from joining the party in power as sitting as partisan "independents" will make voting against the mayor even more dangerous. And to run against a mayor without any fundamentals, I am afraid is likely going to leave a good mark on our friends' political resume.
"Team Burnaby candidates wil also have to answer to those same voters."
Don't bet on it. Civic majorities are generally voted out because of poor stewardship, high tax rates, top-ten crime rates or environmental mishaps. Golly Gee!!! That pretty well exactly describes Mayor Corrigan and his BCA/NDP council.
It will take a strong cohesive group with a great candidate for mayor to do it, but T/B sure looks like the only organization in this city that can put it together. Now that the "Independents" are gone T/B can finally generate some momentum for the coming election. As to what others may do - who cares. There is far too much work to do to worry about them.
Don't bet on it. Civic majorities are generally voted out because of poor stewardship, high tax rates, top-ten crime rates or environmental mishaps."
Here we go again with the 'environmental mishap' which the cause was not at any time with council. The same mishap could have easily happened if Team Burnaby was in governance.
The voters don't seem to be bothered by so-called 'high taxes' except those who are members of Team Burnaby.
" Golly Gee!!! That pretty well exactly describes Mayor Corrigan and his BCA/NDP council."
Well according to you it does.
It will take a strong cohesive group with a great candidate for mayor to do it, but T/B sure looks like the only organization in this city that can put it together."
Right. They can't even hold their own executive. Team Burnaby is not a civic group of goverance.
" Now that the "Independents" are gone T/B can finally generate some momentum for the coming election."
Sure they can. If there's fighting over the steering wheel, the momentum will carry Team Burnaby right to the abutment and they will sail off in a beautiful arc towards the ravine below in a spectacular crash and burn.
"As to what others may do - who cares. There is far too much work to do to worry about them."
So why are you?
"Here we go again with the 'environmental mishap' which the cause was not at any time with council. The same mishap could have easily happened if Team Burnaby was in governance."
Could have but didn't. Computer-gate could have happened under T/B's watch, but didn't. Mayor Corrigan is currently being sued and that could have happened but didn't. I guess it is unfortunate that voters have decided to let BCA make all these mistakes. Maybe they will decide to finally let them go.
I wonder people got the point here. Why should BCA nominees endorse Mayor Corrigan's re-election? Because they approve his socialist ideology whose wife will soon be competing to become the socialist party's candidate. Because they think Mayor Corrigan made sure crime rate didn't rise too much? Or because Mayor Corrigan is just too good a leader to pass on. That will continue to be a puzzle to the voters.
Could have but didn't. Computer-gate could have happened under T/B's watch, but didn't.
The two are not really comparable since the cause of the pipeline eruption was not attributed to any decisions by council, but the computer system was to a degree.
Mayor Corrigan is currently being sued and that could have happened but didn't. I guess it is unfortunate that voters have decided to let BCA make all these mistakes. Maybe they will decide to finally let them go.
And team Burnaby if elected would not commit any errors? Surely you jest. Every government has errors even Gordon Campbell's.
I wonder people got the point here. Why should BCA nominees endorse Mayor Corrigan's re-election?
Because they are members of the same party that Corrigian is and that they run as a slate (hint: does Team Burnaby run as a slate?)
"Because they approve his socialist ideology whose wife will soon be competing to become the socialist party's candidate.
Has really nothing to do with socialist ideaology. The socialist concepts don't really go to the civic level, they are mostly for provincial and federal.
As for Kathy Corrigan, she wouldn't get much competition for her nomination since she is a perferred candidate (hint: the BC Liberals have 'preferred candidates' and do make it diffuclt for anyone else other than those preferred candidates to win, but it has happened).
Because they think Mayor Corrigan made sure crime rate didn't rise too much?
Probably the result of Wally Oppal and the Solicitor General not doing enough and being too wimpy on criminals.
Or because Mayor Corrigan is just too good a leader to pass on. That will continue to be a puzzle to the voters.
The other puzzle of course is why Team Burnaby is self destructing despite the violin number by Raymond Leung in the paper.
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