Congratulation. I agree with the above voter. While I am not an NDP, not by far, there is nothing else we can do.
Congratulation Mayor Corrigan and but what made this election for me personally is the sad ending for Lee Rankin's political career. Bye bye Team Burnaby.
This is a devastating loss. I don't know what to say. The city of BBY continues to be run by a bunch of left wing zealots. I hate the NDP and everything they stand for. How could the people of BBY be so stupid! (I think I know the answer).
A new united party must be developed to challenge these socialist pigs.
RM, if you're in Burnaby, you'd be better served going NDP provincially than trying to fight BCA in Burnaby. With a provincial NDP, I think there's a better chance Burnaby would get another light rail line. I dream of a Metrotown to Hastings line connected to a new West Coast Express stop in North Burnaby. That would be a huge boon for Burnaby's economy, since we'd be able to kick start office projects in Brentwood Town Centre with workers from as far out as Maple Ridge.
Burnaby is one of the best run cities in Metro Vancouver, with the third lowest taxes, and a huge war chest to weather the financial storm. Hardly socialist pigs.
Not trying to echo with RM since I too am one of the BCLIB that voted for some BCA． But it is BCA members that said themselves that this will be the longest lasting socialist dynasty in Canada. No, "little cuba" was not badly run, but I think even BCA themselves were shocked.
Well, this has more to do to us trying to punish our own TB & IV parties than anything else. Now that we have retired the old people from Team Burnaby and Independent Voice, finally, we will be able to see new forces coming out. Next mayoral election is going to be an open race. I suggest opposition supporters like us start to reach out to BCA members on the bottom of the food chain.
Mayor Corrigan however, is in his last leg of the mayoral career. With the perfect mandate, what kind of legacy is he going to leave us? Is he ready to cut taxes or cut spendings? I dont know, but if it is disaster, he is equally responsible as it would be a success.
"Well, this has more to do to us trying to punish our own TB & IV parties than anything else. Now that we have retired the old people from Team Burnaby and Independent Voice, finally, we will be able to see new forces coming out. Next mayoral election is going to be an open race. I suggest opposition supporters like us start to reach out to BCA members on the bottom of the food chain. "
Let's put the blame where it belongs ... Lee Rankin and his ... cough, cough ... lovely wife. He took all of these political neophytes for another expensive ride ... but it's great to see that he got what he has long deserved!
Burnaby voters have spoken louder and clearer than ever before ... this City continues to have the most effective government in the entire country. With an NDP civic government, two NDP MP's and with Kathy Corrigan, Mondee Redman and Ron Burton (yes ... you heard it here first) winning for the NDP Provincially ... Burnaby will be in great hands for years to come.
And, as has happened in all previous civic elections ... there will be NO loyalty from any of the Team Burnaby candidates ... one shot wonders all of them ... just like it's happened before. No one will be in for the long haul ... some real dedicated community activists there (ha, ha, ha ... what a joke these people really are). Next time, there will be ANOTHER brand new slate ... manufacturing the same fears ... spouting the same garbage. Maybe they'll invent a disease for Andrew Chisholm just like they did for the last one shot wonder candidate for mayor, Andrew Stewart ... just to make him disappear! Great work, Burnaby voters ... you put those right wing zealots back where they belong!
"Let's put the blame where it belongs ... Lee Rankin and his ... cough, cough ... lovely wife. He took all of these political neophytes for another expensive ride ... but it's great to see that he got what he has long deserved!"
My my aren't we being nasty to Mr. and Mrs. Rankin. Weren't these the coveted husband and wife that were going to lead Team Burnaby to victory? She certainly had a tight grip on Team Burnaby.
"Burnaby voters have spoken louder and clearer than ever before ... this City continues to have the most effective government in the entire country."
True. The result this time for Corrigan is better than last time.
"With an NDP civic government, two NDP MP's and with Kathy Corrigan, Mondee Redman and Ron Burton (yes ... you heard it here first) winning for the NDP Provincially ... Burnaby will be in great hands for years to come."
Possibly could happen (despite what some in here have stated). The NDP is definately back from where it was in 2005, and that is being unusually weak.
and yep I can see Mondee Redman chasing after a seat, since Mom used to be Caledino's Constituency Assistant when he was MLA and both know their way around campaigns.
"And, as has happened in all previous civic elections ... there will be NO loyalty from any of the Team Burnaby candidates ... one shot wonders all of them ... just like it's happened before. No one will be in for the long haul ... some real dedicated community activists there (ha, ha, ha ... what a joke these people really are). Next time, there will be ANOTHER brand new slate ... manufacturing the same fears ... spouting the same garbage."
Certainly happened with - wait for it - Team Burnaby in the past.
"Maybe they'll invent a disease for Andrew Chisholm just like they did for the last one shot wonder candidate for mayor, Andrew Stewart ... just to make him disappear! "
Wel with the last one (2005), he certainly was known to get into the 'spirit' of things.
Great work, Burnaby voters ... you put those right wing zealots back where they belong
Thank you very much. This is one moderate right winger (supporter of the Conservatives and voter of BC Liberals) who voted not for all BCA candidates, but a chosen few (Volkow, Johnston, Mconnell, etc.) and then added in the Independent Voices for a nice mix of preferred candidates.
Voting for Corrigan was satisfying for once too. Nice to give a political stab to Team Burnaby.
Next thing is, what happens to Chairman Leung and his Long March Forward? He was President when this whole mess with Team Burnaby erupted.
I have to agree with the above writer. This had nothing to do with Right Wing or Left Wing voters but who would be best for the city of Burnaby. I too am a BC Liberal who voted for Derek Corrigan and many of the BCA Council.
Team Burnaby represented Team Burnaby ONLY and not the People of Burnaby. They reminded me of Rita Johnson and the Social Credit Party, an irrelevant party made up of irrelevant people.
However, we also have to take into account that about 33,000 people out of an approximate 200,000 eligible voters voted which is a paltry 16.5% turnout. A low turnout always guarantees a BCA victory.
After this election, Harry Bloy can forget about running Burnaby again, best of luck in Coquitlam, (I am more than certain he will be re-elected since his former BCLIB colleague Richard Stewart who sat with him in 01-05 sessions just got elected mayor).
Richard Lee will become the de-facto leader for the anti-NDP factional force in Burnaby as John Nuraney falls hard and ends his short-lived political career, before going back to A&W to flip burgers, (he has not a hope against Kathy Corrigan, let us all be honest here).
My suggestion for Richard Lee is
1. Convince Dr. Ronald Lueng to run in Burnaby Lougheed which include SFU where he got his PhD from.
2. Recruit TB members/Bill Cunningham supporters and merge with his present IV campaign team, so throw Lee Rankin away but put in many of the Chinese Canadian faces in Dr. Leung and his campaign teams. TB-IV merger re-election campaign team is the only way he can survive.
3. Make friends with BCA city councilors. The rookie councilors elected so far are easily pawns of the Mayor. The mayor along with the five incumbents (including the one that claimed to hold pride in the longest socialist government in Canada), had the highest total of votes and they will likely ignore the remaining rookie councilors. So I would suggest Richard Lee to make friends with Richard Chang and Anne Kang and maybe convince Richard Chang to run against Raj Choujan next May. BCLIB after all continues to be the governing party and it should not be hard to get just one rookie councilor to flip.
Richard Lee needs to be very careful because we all know BCNDP are going after him. With seven ridings to switch only, NDP will only target battleground ridings, which include all three Burnaby BCLIB incumbents. Dont throw away John Nuraney, but rather have him as the shooter against BCNDP to take on the Corrigans and his BCA soldiers, but for Gordon Campbell to hold on to power, it has to involve Richard Lee and hopefully Ronald Leung in northern Burnaby. Richard Lee now is the last beacon of hope for BCLIB. I suggest him get to work right now.
Kudos to Garth Evans and Harry bloy! They have succeeded in destroying every trace of the centre/right coalition in Burnaby! And next to the ash heap...Bloy, Nuraney and Richard T. Lee. Great work, Garth and Harry...you really are wonderful, talented and smart guys. We're glad you cuddled up with the most popular guy in Burnaby (I mean Delta)...Gary Begin.
Kudos to the NDP machine which was well oiled with fresh names and contact lists from the Federal Election, and the resulting enthusiasm to run the table. They threw down the organizational gauntlet and challenged the self-proclaimed "freer enterprise" competitors to come up with votes in the 13K - 14K range for councillors! With no taxpayers mad at their sitting BCA Majority Council; with very few Burnaby voters enthralled with the Provincial and Federal Liberals; and with no other rallying cry to the "centre-right faithful" what did anyone else realistically expect would be the outcome?
I don't see why everybody is so quick to predict that the left-wing sweep will automatically extend to the provincial race.
Federally, two NDP incumbents kept their seats. Burnaby-Douglas was a closer race this time around than 2006. Burnaby-New West was a bigger win for Julian, but he's been a pretty decent MP in the area, and neither the Conservatives or the Grits really had a chance.
Yesterday's civic election, I think anybody with half a brain could have predicted a BCA sweep (or something nearly as close). TEAM Burnaby was even more of a joke this time around, and that does not bode well for non-BCA voters in this city. In 2005, voter turnout was relatively similar (~30000), and TEAM took 3 council spots and 2 school trustee spots. In 2002, TEAM took 1 council spot and 1 trustee spot.
TEAM ran an absolutely brutal campaign this time, so how is such a stretch to predict what happened yesterday?
Fact of the matter is that it's been the same old story for the past 6 years at City Hall. But it's also been well documented that the right has not been unified or had a decent voice to stand behind, on the civic level.
The right-wing voter has been pretty predictable in Burnaby for the past few years. Federally, they're split between the Cons and the Libs, civically, they just don't want to show up, but provincially, they've been there. No split, but up against a very strong NDP base in the city.
Next year's provincial election will be a close one, for sure. But to suggest that the past couple of months have been a revelation of sorts is somewhat ludicrous.
Nuraney, R.T. Lee and Bloy are all going down...thanks to the Evans/Bloy machine...it's strike 1 federal, strike 2, strike 3, the end of the line for the three IV champions -- Bloy, Nuraney and R.T. Lee. The NDP machine will eat them alive.
Andrew Stewart was Brian Bonney and Harry Bloy's invention; just like IV was Harry Bloy's invention -- take a feather brain like Evans and wind up up his egomania. Good thing Evans brought the house down on himself...the pea brain needs to eat a little humble pie and apologize to the MLAs who will be screwed and put out to pasture in spring.
1. Convince Dr. Ronald Lueng to run in Burnaby Lougheed which include SFU where he got his PhD from.
Wrong. Why would Ronald Leung enter the picture? Where he got the PhD doesn't matter to many voters.
2. Recruit TB members/Bill Cunningham supporters and merge with his present IV campaign team, so throw Lee Rankin away but put in many of the Chinese Canadian faces in Dr. Leung and his campaign teams.
Wrong. IV is NOT Bill Cunningham's team. And why this prioritizing of Chinese Cdn faces? We've been down that path before.
TB-IV merger re-election campaign team is the only way he can survive.
Yeah right as if that is ever going to happen. The same was said about BVNPA and Team Bby prior to 2005. That was a disaster right from the start. Team started because they couldn't get along with the old BVA.
3. Make friends with BCA city councilors. The rookie councilors elected so far are easily pawns of the Mayor. The mayor along with the five incumbents (including the one that claimed to hold pride in the longest socialist government in Canada), had the highest total of votes and they will likely ignore the remaining rookie councilors. So I would suggest Richard Lee to make friends with Richard Chang and Anne Kang and maybe convince Richard Chang to run against Raj Choujan next May.
Raj will be re-elected. And why not make friends with Paul McConnnel? He's new on council.
BCLIB after all continues to be the governing party and it should not be hard to get just one rookie councilor to flip.
Isn't going to mean massive voter suppport.
Richard Lee needs to be very careful because we all know BCNDP are going after him.
That's not new. The NDP was ready to snack on him a few years ago.
With seven ridings to switch only, NDP will only target battleground ridings, which include all three Burnaby BCLIB incumbents.
That's been the way for decades, not new.
Dont throw away John Nuraney, but rather have him as the shooter against BCNDP to take on the Corrigans and his BCA soldiers, but for Gordon Campbell to hold on to power, it has to involve Richard Lee and hopefully Ronald Leung in northern Burnaby.
Here we go with Ronald Leung again.
Richard Lee now is the last beacon of hope for BCLIB. I suggest him get to work right now.
Good. First thing for Richard to do is to ignore these silly propoals and work towards getting support from all people no matter if they are Chinese Cdn. or not.
Andrew Stewart was Brian Bonney and Harry Bloy's invention; just like IV was Harry Bloy's invention
IV was never Harry's invention. It was Gary Begin and Garth Evans to begin with. Harry's invention was initially Team Burnaby ver. 1.0 comprising of Lyin' Brian and his friends. Andrew Stewart just got into the 'spirit' of things.
-- take a feather brain like Evans and wind up up his egomania. Good thing Evans brought the house down on himself...the pea brain needs to eat a little humble pie and apologize to the MLAs who will be screwed and put out to pasture in spring.
Evans doens't have to apologize to anyone.
If the MLA's are screwed and put out to pasture, it will be of their own (and Gordon Campbell's) doing, not anything that Evans did.
Besides, Evans sits on the Burnaby North BC Liberal Executive.
Harry screwed up many times. He first was in on Team Buraby, but had a fight with Lee Rankin, and the two couldn't play together in the same sandbox.
Harry has a habit of not playing well with the other kids in the playground.
Actually, I believe many BC Liberals and Right of Centre voters wanted this to happen. There were too many so called sand boxes or fiefdoms like the old Imperialistic China.
Everybody wanted to be king so they started there own nation. So this obliteration of Team Burnaby and IV had to happen. It is a blessing in disguise where a common Grassroots Free Enterprise Party can rise from the ashes and be better prepared in 3 years.
This party cannot be Team Burnaby or IV. It has to be a new Party like Mayor Diane Watts's, Delta FIRST Party. A Burnaby FIRST Party led by someone that we can all support, Conservative or Right of Centre Liberal, whether its Dr. Ronald Leung, Ryan Warwara, Robin Dhir, David Haggard, Patty Sahota or Gerry Lenoski.
And please do not jump on me for mentioning these names as these were just political people on the top of my head who live in Burnaby. You bloggers can suggest anyone you want and I would be open to anything right now.
Just by reading most of the blogs whether you support the BC Liberals, Conservatives, and Federal Liberals, I believe by working together a Burnaby First Party can be competitive and be a formidable opponent to BCA.
I heard on a telecast last evening that Diane Watts is the most powerful mayor of Metro Vancouver. It can happen in Burnaby too. Supporters of the Conservatives and 3/4 supporters of Federal Liberals can beat the Mayor anytime but its the Federal Liberals who are bi-polar and have split personalities when it comes to the left and right issue. I wouldn't doubt that many in the Federal Liberals supported Mayor Corrigan like they supported Gregor Robertson in Vancouver.
Evans should apologize to every one...he is just an ugly, lttle opportunist who used TEAM and everyone who built it so he could turn around and destroy everything with his fatheaded egomania...he screwed himself and everyone in the end.
Evans was so dumb, he didn't realize he got elected in '05 because everyone thought he was the old BCA Doug Evans. At least Doug Evans was a decent kind of guy who wouln't walk over his grandmother to get ahead.
"Actually, I believe many BC Liberals and Right of Centre voters wanted this to happen. There were too many so called sand boxes or fiefdoms like the old Imperialistic China. "
Doesn't relate to China at all. Someone is obviously homesick. Fiefdoms occured in England, Germany and not to mention the Papal States in Itay.
Team Burnaby according to many on this blog was supposed to be THE means to defeat the NDP in Burnaby. Did not happen.
"Everybody wanted to be king so they started there own nation. So this obliteration of Team Burnaby and IV had to happen. It is a blessing in disguise where a common Grassroots Free Enterprise Party can rise from the ashes and be better prepared in 3 years. "
Yeah right. That same sentiment was said after the 2002 election loss.
Wash rinse spin, repeat.
This party cannot be Team Burnaby or IV. It has to be a new Party like Mayor Diane Watts's, Delta FIRST Party. A Burnaby FIRST Party led by someone that we can all support, Conservative or Right of Centre Liberal, whether its Dr. Ronald Leung, Ryan Warwara, Robin Dhir, David Haggard, Patty Sahota or Gerry Lenoski.
Why would Robin Dhir Dave Haggard etc. enter the picture. And Patty Sahota? Give it a rest.
"And please do not jump on me for mentioning these names as these were just political people on the top of my head who live in Burnaby. You bloggers can suggest anyone you want and I would be open to anything right now."
As if you are the main aspect to developing politics in Burnaby?
"Just by reading most of the blogs whether you support the BC Liberals, Conservatives, and Federal Liberals, I believe by working together a Burnaby First Party can be competitive and be a formidable opponent to BCA."
Oh puhleez. That was the sentiment of Team Burnaby a few years ago.
Same old same old.
"I heard on a telecast last evening that Diane Watts is the most powerful mayor of Metro Vancouver. It can happen in Burnaby too."
Sure it can. If there's the right person.
Supporters of the Conservatives and 3/4 supporters of Federal Liberals can beat the Mayor anytime but its the Federal Liberals who are bi-polar and have split personalities when it comes to the left and right issue. I wouldn't doubt that many in the Federal Liberals supported Mayor Corrigan like they supported Gregor Robertson in Vancouver.
Very true. In fact many federal Conservatives are schizophrenic too.
The major reason why Dianne Watts is where she is, is simply because she gets things done, and doesn't display a huge ego like quite a few in Burnaby politics (including a few of the aforementioned by the writer).
Team Burnaby was beset with people with large egos and quite a few were on power trips.
They simply jsut couldn't get along and shake their own agendas to get down and busy to win a majority for Burnaby council (despite all of the rhetoric bandied about on this blog about how "good" Team Burnaby was).
Doesn't relate to China at all. Someone is obviously homesick. Fiefdoms occured in England, Germany and not to mention the Papal States in Itay.
Its getting pretty RACIST in this blog and I'm not even Asian even though my girlfriend is. But I didn't know that England and Germany had patents on Fiefdoms as my Undergraduate and Graduate Professors have been referring to Fiefdoms in my class:
"Before the conquest of the other kingdoms by Qin and the creation of the Chinese Empire, what is now China consisted of a multitude of principalities wracked by chronic warfare. Not only did the seven kingdom go to war with each other, there were feudal subdivisions within the kingdoms which fought with each other and with the rulers of their kingdom."
Yeah right. That same sentiment was said after the 2002 election loss.
Wash rinse spin, repeat.
I think you meant 2005. Like I said many Burnaby voters, Liberal and Conservatives, chose Mayor Corrigan and BCA over Team Burnaby and Lee Rankin because he was the lesser of two evils.
As if you are the main aspect to developing politics in Burnaby?
Like I said if it was Mike Harcourt, Barack, Doug Drummond, or Moe Sahota they are better choices than Corrigan but unfortunately there wasn't a person like that. Politics is stagnant. We get the same old same old. There should be a time limit on terms like the US, 2 years.
Power corrupts and absolute Power corrupts absolutely.
During a massive real estate boom, she's failed just as spectacularly in her ambition of starting a Downtown Surrey to challenge Vancouver as did Doug McCallum (who wasn't even trying). Surrey's got little more downtown now than scorched earth and incomplete concrete shells of buildings.
"Downtown Surrey" won't even rival Burnaby Edmonds for another 20 years, and I'd say it won't catch Metrotown for 60 years, despite the huge population disparity between Surrey and Burnaby. And Watts and her band of clowns are trying to rival Downtown Vancouver in the next few years? They'll be lucky if they can even get those couple of incomplete tower husks finished.
Was it a mistake that we let Mayor Corrigan become elected again? No, because BCA is supposed to be in power this time around anyways, and I too have already stated that TB/IV wipe-out was likely. But given the "closeness", TB/IV merge would have at least four elected but we all knew what happened. BUT now, we will forced BCA to take responsibilities for everything, BCA power distribution to me simply does not look perfect.
So my proposals for Richard Lee will be one that will salvage what is left of the now the opposition's only move. I suggest he now put together a new team that can unite forces from all sides, including within BCA. For example, Patti Sahota my mayor of choice could have brought everyone together. She could have identified with the South Asian community and Punjabi community voters.
But it does not matter, they lost and lost badly. My proposal again is the only Richard Lee can lead the clan all the way to the next mayoral election. Can he convince Dr. Ronald Leung or Bill Cunningham to take on BCNDP in northern Burnaby? I believe very strong that he is capable of doing that. We know that the south is a lost cause and we should just let BCLIB candidates do their work on BCNDP. But for Richard Lee to lead a party that has to rise from the ash, he HAS to defend the north. If he cannot, his fate will be no better than Lee Rankin's. But it is crucial to create a platform to unite all supporters including from within BCA. Let us create a new opposition with prominent figures like Patti Sahota leading the party, three years later, they should be able to launch another credible challenge in the council race.
But I didn't know that England and Germany had patents on Fiefdoms as my Undergraduate and Graduate Professors have been referring to Fiefdoms in my class:
"Before the conquest of the other kingdoms by Qin and the creation of the Chinese Empire, what is now China consisted of a multitude of principalities wracked by chronic warfare. Not only did the seven kingdom go to war with each other, there were feudal subdivisions within the kingdoms which fought with each other and with the rulers of their kingdom."
true, and no England and Germany and other locations don't have patents on fiefdoms, but so-called fiefdoms were not indigenous to China. They existed in Medieval Times in England, and Germany was a scattering of small ruling areas before the ascension of the Weimar Republic. Italy was also a quilt pattern of Papal States before there was unification of church governance.
Even here on the Coast, the First Nations were a patchwork of small governed communities, all indigeneous but many thrived on trade such as that conducted by the Coast Salish and Hai'da.
I think you meant 2005.
No, the same sentiments were stated in 2002. There was a movement to unite the two groups, which lead to "Team Burnaby Ver 2.0", which ran candidates in 2005.
Team Burnaby actually goes back to 2000. They ran candidates in the 2002 civic election. Obviously didn't work, so they and the BVNPA decided together to merge into one in 2004.
That obviously didn't materialize a majority, but returned two Team Burnaby candidates to council.
Team Burnaby later on decided they didn't want those two because they voted for the City Budget.
Tema Burnaby through its resurrections and so forth has been a disaster right from the start.
Like I said many Burnaby voters, Liberal and Conservatives, chose Mayor Corrigan and BCA over Team Burnaby and Lee Rankin because he was the lesser of two evils.
No, it was more of voting for what works in Burnaby, plus the fact that Team Burnaby was not in any shape to run the city (given their infighting and having gone through three campaign managers - one only lasted five days).
There's not much wrong with how things are being run in the City, and the results show it.
The voters will change the council if they are so inclined.
But you're right on one thing.
Team Burnaby was very little more than a political tent for Lee Rankin. It obviously showed.
Now Lee is out of a political job.
As if you are the main aspect to developing politics in Burnaby?
Like I said if it was Mike Harcourt, Barack, Doug Drummond, or Moe Sahota they are better choices than Corrigan but unfortunately there wasn't a person like that. Politics is stagnant. We get the same old same old. There should be a time limit on terms like the US, 2 years.
That will only happen if there is changes to the Local Government Act, which is unlikely.
There would have to be term limitations at the provincial level to balance out (which means Gordon Campbell could not run for his anticipated third term).
Call Richard Lee or John and get them movin' on it if you want it.
Power corrupts and absolute Power corrupts absolutely.
Team Burnaby is a prime example of power corrupting. A real bad sign was when Team Burnaby ended up with its third campaign manager, amongst alot of things that went wrong with that group.
Patti Sahota ... Gimme a break!!! Although ... she would fit right in with the entire TB bunch from this and past elections ... do nothing in the community, loose one election and disappear into the woodwork ... and continue to do nothing in the community. That is certainly a trait that all past and present TB candidates have ... very shallow, shallow people ... with no committment to anything. Why would anyone want them running our City? Can TB at least recruit some candidates with substance ... of course they can't ... anyone with any substance or real dedication to making Burnaby better is much too busy doing things to waste their time with this bunch.
And what's with this NORTHERN BURNABY thing??? Next thing you know TB will want to be building another Great Wall the length of Canada Way to keep the southern Burnaby invaders back where they belong. Do you TB folks realize how much of a joke you really are!!!
Team Burnaby has never worked since it was put together.
TB's supporters can whine and complain about others being the cause of their defeat, but in the end of things, they really should do one thing for locating the cause of their defeat.
"Patti Sahota ... Gimme a break!!! Although ... she would fit right in with the entire TB bunch from this and past elections ... do nothing in the community, loose one election and disappear into the woodwork ... and continue to do nothing in the community. That is certainly a trait that all past and present TB candidates have ... very shallow, shallow people ... with no committment to anything. Why would anyone want them running our City? Can TB at least recruit some candidates with substance ... of course they can't ... anyone with any substance or real dedication to making Burnaby better is much too busy doing things to waste their time with this bunch."
Funny, Patti Sahota was a cabinet minister, no matter what you want to say, and that goes much further than what you can say about a socialist mayor. But neither Patti Sahota, me, or Richard Lee were "natural" TB supporters. And I too am one of the BCLIB that voted for the mayor's re-election, as part of the strategy to drive Lee Rankin out of jobs. You are correct that many of the board directors that jumped onto the campaign list were not impressive at all. However, that still proves the anti-BCA force outside of the council continues to be very strong. Proportionally, TB-IV could have elected more than four councilors altogether and that should give Richard Lee enough confidence to lead the party.
What's with the northern Burnaby thing you say? It is because we at least know where our territory is, Garth Evans continues to be very strong in this part of the city and Harry Bloy and Richard Lee have very strong presence also in northern Burnaby and these two provincial ridings will be the places for those that wanted change to gather and rebuild after we have driven out the divider. Not to mention BCA's eight council candidates won plurality, not majority since they were able to drive out supporters. We couldnt do that with the present team and we threw them out, and we will do what we have to do that next time to give representations to those under-represented.
I think TB underestimated IV. IV ran a very efficient campaign. Eventually to their own demise and that of TB. And to the benefit of BCA. I am sure our beloved King of Burnaby had a big fat smile on his face all along watching this play out. Everyone got what they deserved. Hope TB and IV learn from this. My guess is they won't.
R.I.P. Centre right in Burnaby...destroyed by the snakes called Garth Evans and Harry Bloy...hope you're all happy now. NDP wins big next spring in Burnaby.
F"unny, Patti Sahota was a cabinet minister, no matter what you want to say, and that goes much further than what you can say about a socialist mayor. "
Sahota was a Cabinet Minister of something which didn't need to exist in the first place. She was appointed in February 2005, and her term lasted until April 2005.
So she was a Cabinet Minister for less than 90 days.
She was made a Cabinet Minister to save her from defeat, but it obviously didn't work.
"But neither Patti Sahota, me, or Richard Lee were "natural" TB supporters."
No one was a 'natural' TB supporter. The only ones that were were Lee Rankin and his better half.
"And I too am one of the BCLIB that voted for the mayor's re-election, as part of the strategy to drive Lee Rankin out of jobs."
Well, you did good on that one.
"You are correct that many of the board directors that jumped onto the campaign list were not impressive at all. "
That's for damb sure. Raymond Leung had to be the worst of the bad bunch.
"However, that still proves the anti-BCA force outside of the council continues to be very strong."
Wouldn't go that far. They exist, and that's about it.
"Proportionally, TB-IV could have elected more than four councilors altogether and that should give Richard Lee enough confidence to lead the party. "
Richard has never led the party.
"What's with the northern Burnaby thing you say? It is because we at least know where our territory is, Garth Evans continues to be very strong in this part of the city and Harry Bloy and Richard Lee have very strong presence also in northern Burnaby and these two provincial ridings will be the places for those that wanted change to gather and rebuild after we have driven out the divider."
Yeah right. The NDP is also very strong in North Bby too.
"Not to mention BCA's eight council candidates won plurality, not majority since they were able to drive out supporters. We couldnt do that with the present team and we threw them out, and we will do what we have to do that next time to give representations to those under-represented."
Who is 'we'? Did you actually do any campaign work, or just continue on and digitally snort about the the outcome through this wretched blog?
We, as in the majority of the voters that DID NOT vote for BCA council candidates. BCA won plurality, not majority. And it does not matter if I was involved in the campaigns for one of the school trustees that did not get elected, the point is, the anti-BCA continue to be very strong and a joint slate of TB/IV could have take some of the BCA candidates out. And yes, we did throw Lee Rankin out because we have decided to opt for someone better. Given this year's team, we the people who believe in change had no choice anyways. A ＴＢ－ＩＶ joint plate of four councilors with four U40 candidates running for the council could have knocked some BCA candidates out of running, but that is in the past and we do not need Lee Rankin & Co. anymore. BCA victory is in the past and it is time to look to the future. To us, the future holds in Richard Lee who is able to easily unite friends from all sides to advance a transition of power, finally. The Republicans had majority of the Senate ever since the first term of Clinton, and two years before Obama came along they had a majority. It does take a long time for the change to come along, and Richard Lee in my humble opinion, is the change we can believe in, three years from now. What we have to focus on right now however is to hold and unlike municipal race, we have a consensus on it, and the best way to dampen Mayor Corrigan's hope for re-election is to have him beat in the provincial race and hold BCNDP back. Given that BCA's support is not even majority, when it comes down to BCNDP and BCLIB in an election with much higher turnout, BCLIB should easily prevail.
"We, as in the majority of the voters that DID NOT vote for BCA council candidates."
The majority of voters who voted did in fact vote in BCA. The numerics show that.
BCA won plurality, not majority.
Kind of splitting hairs here.
BCA won. Live with it.
And it does not matter if I was involved in the campaigns for one of the school trustees that did not get elected, the point is, the anti-BCA continue to be very strong and a joint slate of TB/IV could have take some of the BCA candidates out. "
Sure they could have. If they were smart, but remember Team Burnaby started this whole mess to begin with with their antics.
And yes, we did throw Lee Rankin out because we have decided to opt for someone better. Given this year's team, we the people who believe in change had no choice anyways. A ＴＢ－ＩＶ joint plate of four councilors with four U40 candidates running for the council could have knocked some BCA candidates out of running, but that is in the past and we do not need Lee Rankin & Co. anymore.
Under 40 does not matter.
BCA victory is in the past and it is time to look to the future.
So why are you keeping to whining about the outcome (i.e. your opening statement) Live with it.
"To us, the future holds in Richard Lee who is able to easily unite friends from all sides to advance a transition of power, finally."
Richard is going to have serious difficulties in getting re-elected if the NDP opts for a good candidate next time around. Which will most likely happen.
The Republicans had majority of the Senate ever since the first term of Clinton, and two years before Obama came along they had a majority.
Emphasis on had. But you're missing an important aspect. The Senate in the United States is elected (it is not in Canada). The Senate is a second tier governance which has no equivalent in Canadian civic politics.
"It does take a long time for the change to come along, and Richard Lee in my humble opinion, is the change we can believe in, three years from now."
You might want to just think ahead to 7 months from now in regards to Richard. Even money right now, leading on 'won't' in regards to him existing as an MLA in June 2009.
What we have to focus on right now however is to hold and unlike municipal race, we have a consensus on it, and the best way to dampen Mayor Corrigan's hope for re-election is to have him beat in the provincial race and hold BCNDP back.
Hah! Good luck on that one. The NDP is far more better organized, they have had two successes in the past 4 months and you can bet your behind that they are most likely wanting a third in May next year.
"Given that BCA's support is not even majority,"
Er yes it is, numerically. If one acrued the total votes BCA got with that with Team Burnaby, the BCA obtains the larger vote share.
when it comes down to BCNDP and BCLIB in an election with much higher turnout, BCLIB should easily prevail.
Yeah right. How many times have you written that one?
Who is the basement dweller who thinks the befuddled nitwit Richard T. Lee could lead anything...he's so hapless and befuddled he couldn't lead a poodle to take a poop...I guess the basement loser divides between between drooling over Richard T. Lee's and Patty Sahota's soiled picture when he's not dreaming up these asinine fantasies. Richard T. Lee is toast, like the other 2 Bby Libs.
Haha, you BCNDP supporters are very funny, no wonder people take you guys as jokes. I have already predicted that BCNDP will lose to BCLIB MLA's, and I will say it again, BCNDP will lose, and you heard here first. And if you guys think you are funny now, just wait till when you lose.....
And now...the next Barak Obama...Richard T. Lee...but can he spell "c-h-a-n-g-e" -- that might be the tough part.
No it isn't.
C-h-a-n-g-e from a defeated MLA to going back to "I (space) am (space ) a-t (space) t-h-e (space) T-R-I-U-M-F (space) P-r-o-g-r-a-m (space) . (space)" will be pretty easy for him to accomplish.
No one ever said it was a sure thing. If everything had been a sure thing, then why have elections. All of that was to show how little support Bill Siksay actually has against what some BCNDP like to make themselves believe and I was only off by 1%. As for BCA I have always predicted a sweep of the city council long ago and like some have said here, it shouldnt take a genius to figure that out. However, again, BCA did not win majority, they won plurality. It should not be too difficult to figure out how to beat BCNDP. Do you or Colleen Jordan honestly believe that the majority of Burnaby electorates are going to vote for a socialist party? There is however no point trying to tell BCNDP socialist enthusiasts about the broad support BCLIB have gotten. We should just wait till when we beat these socialist supporters before we laugh at them.
A few people writing to this blog sure as heck did in regards to overcoming the NDP. Both federally and civic. That didn't happen.
"If everything had been a sure thing, then why have elections."
Because it provides a foundation to our democracy. Some people who were on Council didn't make it. Others who have never run for council before, did. Others who did run for council, did make it back.
All of that was to show how little support Bill Siksay actually has against what some BCNDP like to make themselves believe and I was only off by 1%.
and you just said "why have elections".
"A for BCA I have always predicted a sweep of the city council long ago and like some have said here, it shouldnt take a genius to figure that out."
SOme other geniuses here figured that majority was going to be Team Burnaby one. Certainly didn't happen.
"Hwever, again, BCA did not win majority, they won plurality."
Doesn't matter. They won the majority of seats on Council and won a majority of the volume of votes.
In other wors, they got more seats and got more votes.
"It should not be too difficult to figure out how to beat BCNDP."
Obviously out of reach for those in Team Burnaby.
"o you or Colleen Jordan honestly believe that the majority of Burnaby electorates are going to vote for a socialist party?"
They did in Burnaby Edmonds, and have many times in Burnaby North and Burnaby Willingdon in the past.
They have in both Burnaby Douglas and in Burnaby New Westminster.
There is however no point trying to tell BCNDP socialist enthusiasts about the broad support BCLIB have gotten.
What broad base? If there was an election right now, today, the NDP would probably win the two seats held by the BC Liberals.
We should just wait till when we beat these socialist supporters before we laugh at them.
That's going to be a long time if Gordon Campbell doesn't get smart.
The NDP is already fiendishly laughing at the BC Liberals.
Would you TB supporters please take the marbles out of your mouth and learn some proper English ... it's still Burnaby's official language ... despite what some of you seem to want. What happened to all of us being just plain old Canadians ... instead of those of you that need to "give representations to those under-represented." Maybe it's time to get back on the boat and head back to your village.
Again we DO NOT support Team Burnaby and its jokers. What we are are people who belong to the majority of voters who DID NOT vote for BCA council candidates. The thin plurality in such a low turn-out election should be a disappointment if not a defeat for BCA members. We should see next spring when BCLIB successfully beat Mayor Corrigan at this game and prove some socialist enthusiasts wrong.
Again we DO NOT support Team Burnaby and its jokers. What we are are people who belong to the majority of voters who DID NOT vote for BCA council candidates.
There were that many voters who voted neither Team Burnaby nor BCA exclusively.
The thin plurality in such a low turn-out election should be a disappointment if not a defeat for BCA members.
No it's not. The BCA did very well this time around. BCA candidates together received the largest volume of votes.
We should see next spring when BCLIB successfully beat Mayor Corrigan at this game and prove some socialist enthusiasts wrong.
Good luck on that one.
The NDP has had two successes, they are most definately starting the work for the third.
For your information. Richard Lee is a decent guy and even though he was way-too-partisan when first elected, he has learned to represent his constituency. (The one and only requirement for an elected official.)
Yes, Richard Lee will be in trouble if the BC Liberals totally flop. But that story is yet to be told.
Nuraney is already toast. And Harry is in his toughest fight ever.
As for the Ron Burton prediction? I'd caution him against duplicity. People don't like politicians who run for one seat in November, and then another 'better paid position' just a few months later. I believe that would be a losing strategy on his part.
And it's just 1,092 more days until the return of LEE RANKIN!!!
No shit, Sherlock. You're also within that 99 percent.
"For your information. Richard Lee is a decent guy and even though he was way-too-partisan when first elected, he has learned to represent his constituency. (The one and only requirement for an elected official.)"
Yep, too bad John hasn't learned to do the same thing.
"Yes, Richard Lee will be in trouble if the BC Liberals totally flop. But that story is yet to be told."
The preface to that is being written right now.
"Nuraney is already toast. And Harry is in his toughest fight ever."
Yeh, so what? Harry's had it too easy for too long.
As for the Ron Burton prediction? I'd caution him against duplicity. People don't like politicians who run for one seat in November, and then another 'better paid position' just a few months later.
Gregr Robertson did that. So did Gordon Campbell.
Ron Burton will stay on council.
"And it's just 1,092 more days until the return of LEE RANKIN!!! "
Oh phuleez. Are you going to start counting down each and every day?
"There were that many voters who voted neither Team Burnaby nor BCA exclusively." That is us, who did not vote for TB nor BCA, possibly IV, some not so much. The point is, even in such a low-turnout election, BCA socialist enthusiasts could not achieve majority, just imagine when the real voters come out to vote against BCNDP, that my friend, will be the true landslide. Mayor Corrigan should know that the party he belongs to is not one that the voters will support and the previous blogger is right, Richard Lee has learned to represent his constituents, and has friends in liberals and conservatives. There are people like us who know how to beat BCNDP, and we simply threw Lee Rankin out because he is not part of our plan.
If you think Richard Lee will be toast, then your socialist enthusiasts will soon be proved wrong. In 2005, BCA too has 7 city councilors with Lee Rankin in opposition who to us does not even begin to matter, and guess what, Richard Lee still got elected. Gordon Campbell has just built a school to save John Nuraney, trust me, he is not going to let Richard Lee go down since we all know if Richard Lee goes down, and he is only going down if BCNDP forms next government which according to today's economic situation is impossible. We should let BCA rejoice in their so far "victory", though far from mandate, but when it comes down to elections that matter, BCLIB continue to have BCNDP beat.
That is us, who did not vote for TB nor BCA, possibly IV, some not so much.
Statistically, one did not vote for TB, BCA, nor IV is a rare animal.
The point is, even in such a low-turnout election, BCA socialist enthusiasts could not achieve majority,
Actually they did. They won the entire number of seats on council.
Corrigan received 20,365 votes to Chisholm's 10,110 votes, representing numerically the majority of votes cast.
Same with council.
"just imagine when the real voters come out to vote against BCNDP, that my friend, will be the true landslide."
COuld go the other way too, real voters may decide to vote for NDP candidates, thus tossing out Richard John and Harry into the can.
"Mayor Corrigan should know that the party he belongs to is not one that the voters will support and the previous blogger is right,"
They did in Burnaby Edmonds, and Richard did not receive a huge margin of a win in Burnaby North last time.
"Richard Lee has learned to represent his constituents, and has friends in liberals and conservatives."
True, unlike John who hasn't learned to do that yet, and it may be too late.
" There are people like us who know how to beat BCNDP, and we simply threw Lee Rankin out because he is not part of our plan. "
A bit conceited here. Obviously the "know how to beat the NDP" is incorrect. If you really did know how to beat the NDP, there would not have been a huge win for the BCA. With the NDP you have to defeat them at the civic level first to demoralize them, then go in for the kill at the provincial level, but you nuts didn't do that.
"If you think Richard Lee will be toast, then your socialist enthusiasts will soon be proved wrong."
You might be surprised.
In 2005, BCA too has 7 city councilors with Lee Rankin in opposition who to us does not even begin to matter, and guess what, Richard Lee still got elected.
That did not play into how Richard got re-elected and his victory in 2005 was far from being huge. He lost support considerably compared to what he received in 2001.
Gordon Campbell has just built a school to save John Nuraney, trust me, he is not going to let Richard Lee go down since we all know if Richard Lee goes down, and he is only going down if BCNDP forms next government which according to today's economic situation is impossible.
Actually you're wrong, since economic hard times are good environments for change to governments.
We should let BCA rejoice in their so far "victory", though far from mandate
Excuse us? The BCA won a large apportion of the vote, resulting in all council seats, plus Mayor and School Board.
but when it comes down to elections that matter, BCLIB continue to have BCNDP beat.
Yeah right.
Dream on, and if you really want to ensure Richard's victory, stop making dumb statements on blogs such as this one and start folding canvass folders and get out there on the streets.
H. Bloy + IV = bye, bye. Richard Lee. Big thanks from us NDP to IV -- now we get rid of the Liberals three... Harry + Johnny and Richard Lee. Oh...what fun it will be.
This election is no indication of a Burnaby swing to the left. All it shows is how the BCA ran a far better campaign than the others.
The NDP thrives in elections with low turnouts as a good organization can elect NDP candidates if they get their vote out and their opposition don't give a $hit on election day. And that is what happened. As a matter of fact it happened in the recent Provincial election as well as the Vancouver Civic Election.
The IV and Team Burnaby ran a less than abysmal campaign and deserved to be spanked.
Previous comment right on re T/B. I actually thought IV wasn't so bad from the point of view of efficiency and what they could do witha small core of help and a smaller budget. Of course the idea that they would go it alone and somehow come out on top was dumb. Really dumb when you think they did the same thing in 2002. Some lessons apparently need refreshers.
Nurany and Lee should have staed right out of it. Each only won by a tiny margin. John likes to say thqat local politics has nothing to do with provincial. Keep thinking that John boy. Mrs Corrigan is smiling already.
Previous comment right on re T/B. I actually thought IV wasn't so bad from the point of view of efficiency and what they could do witha small core of help and a smaller budget.
True, but there's never been any perfect campaign, but the BCA came close.
Of course the idea that they would go it alone and somehow come out on top was dumb. Really dumb when you think they did the same thing in 2002. Some lessons apparently need refreshers.
Team Burnaby needs a few remedial lessons in basic politics. We'll start by never instigate the potential of splitting of a vote
Nurany and Lee should have staed right out of it. Each only won by a tiny margin. John likes to say thqat local politics has nothing to do with provincial. Keep thinking that John boy. Mrs Corrigan is smiling already
and oh boy is John ever going to learn about that one.
Don't worry about Kathy Corrigan.
Be far more worried about what her campaign is going to consist of.
Hint: Think back to the BCA Civic campaign in 2008.
wonder if the Basi-Virk troubles will have any effect on the provincial election?
It will if the court activity gets heavy sometime between February and April.
The government's manouvering to push the trial date back until after the election appears to be working.
It may not work. Nothing has been decided decisively yet.
Does anyone know of a Burnaby connection to any of it?
There isn't one. Both Virk and Basi were Regional Organizers for the BC Liberals (one in Vancouver, the other in Surrey). This was before two idiots aided by Harry Bloy were made Regional Organizers.
"True, but there's never been any perfect campaign, but the BCA came close."
Are you serious? Is BCA a bunch of geniuses? Are they all so smart? So smart that two of the councilors even tried running for higher offices and couldnt do it on themselves, so smart that its own chair of the finance committee could not bring himself to any dissent against "unpopular" financial practices, and Collen and Nick who would have been no-one if not for their BCNDP membership.
The formula to win election for BCA? 1. Have Mayor Corrigan tell the union to print pamphlets and distribute across the community and force out the "value voters". 2. Have Mayor Corrigan's signs sparsely displayed across the city in hope that people wont notice the election so that Mayor Corrigan can hope for a low-turnout election where otherwise it is more likely to have him defeated. 3. Have Mayor Corrigan pick candidates pick candidates that can "increase" the voter support, in other words, absorb support from the candidates that are not associated with socialist ideology and pretend that BCA/BCNDP has nothing to do with socialist ideology.
But we all know Mayor Corrigan is in line with Jack Layton's socialist ideals, and we all know how democratic Mayor Corrigan in his city hall practices, especially so he claims, now with a pure BCA council, they "always" had disagreements.
Incorrect. the socialist enthusiasts are wrong about trying to project 30% turnout election onto the provincial one. They are also wrong about Richard Lee making a mistake trying to stay neutral. The only thing Richard Lee has to do again, I repeat, 1. have Ronald Leung run vacant BBY-Lougheed to make sure people remember from 2008's federal election that they need to unite, 2. unite liberals with conservatives on the provincial front to avoid another repeat of 2008's close loss to BCA which had never achieved majority in council lections, and 3. reach across the aisle to people who are not inclined to support BCNDP's socialist ideals.
The formula of force out the voters, reduce the protest votes and expand the base is simply to replicate, especially against parties with socialist ideals that have proven to be in almost perpetual opposition in other democratic countries. I suggest BCLIB to be ready and the only way to success has always been unity and it will continue to be the key in this election.
Are you serious? Is BCA a bunch of geniuses? Are they all so smart?
Actually they are. They know how to campaign, and how to get the vote out. Which says alot more than Team Burnaby.
So smart that two of the councilors even tried running for higher offices and couldnt do it on themselves, so smart that its own chair of the finance committee could not bring himself to any dissent against "unpopular" financial practices, and Collen and Nick who would have been no-one if not for their BCNDP membership.
Disagree there. The point is, they won quite handily. Team Burnaby did not.
The formula to win election for BCA? 1. Have Mayor Corrigan tell the union to print pamphlets and distribute across the community and force out the "value voters".
What would be considered "value voters"? There is no such thing.
2. Have Mayor Corrigan's signs sparsely displayed across the city in hope that people wont notice the election so that Mayor Corrigan can hope for a low-turnout election where otherwise it is more likely to have him defeated.
Wrong there. There were signs in quite a few places. The old days of saturating neighbourhoods with signs on boulevards and street frontage is gone.
3. Have Mayor Corrigan pick candidates pick candidates that can "increase" the voter support, in other words, absorb support from the candidates that are not associated with socialist ideology and pretend that BCA/BCNDP has nothing to do with socialist ideology.
The BCA does not have any socialist ideology in its policies, and Team Burnaby through the backrooms has 'preferred' some candidates over others, and I won't even get into the provincial counterpart and that is the BC Liberals 'preferring' candidates.
But we all know Mayor Corrigan is in line with Jack Layton's socialist ideals, and we all know how democratic Mayor Corrigan in his city hall practices, especially so he claims, now with a pure BCA council, they "always" had disagreements.
and this would have been - had Team Burnaby won a majority no different than being on the hand of Gordon Campbell, how?
Incorrect. the socialist enthusiasts are wrong about trying to project 30% turnout election onto the provincial one. They are also wrong about Richard Lee making a mistake trying to stay neutral. The only thing Richard Lee has to do again, I repeat, 1. have Ronald Leung run vacant BBY-Lougheed to make sure people remember from 2008's federal election that they need to unite,
Not going to happen since Bby Lougheed is the domain of Harry Bloy who through the 'assistance' of the BC Liberals will have no trouble obtaining the nomination there.
2. unite liberals with conservatives on the provincial front to avoid another repeat of 2008's close loss to BCA which had never achieved majority in council lections
That was said prior to the civic elections. Actually BCA had achieved the majority of seats in past civic elections, not an entire sweep.
and 3. reach across the aisle to people who are not inclined to support BCNDP's socialist ideals.
3(a) Provide a good means to do so. 3(b) Establish a good well run civic organisation that does not emcumber the elected reps to adhere to directives from the civic group's Executive 3(c) Set a wide open nomination meeting without backroom goings on.
The formula of force out the voters, reduce the protest votes and expand the base is simply to replicate, especially against parties with socialist ideals that have proven to be in almost perpetual opposition in other democratic countries.
An over the top statement, since none of what you state is applicable to local civic politics.
I suggest BCLIB to be ready and the only way to success has always been unity and it will continue to be the key in this election.
No it won't. You'd better be better smart and face reality that the next provincial election will be one of the most difficult the BC Liberals has faced. The BC Liberals have had it too good for too long.
John and Richard better get smart and start campaigning starting the 2nd week of January.
That's 5o to 100 houses a week for January, February and March.
In April, they still go out and cavass 50 to 100 houses.
Nuraney and R.T. Lee can doorknock all they want -- the opportunistic who would walk over his children and his grandmother to get power did them in -- the feather-brained and foul-breathed Garth Evans did in his provincial mentors...he goes through political allies like he goes through wives...people to be used and discarded...no wonder he collaborated with the swishy closet NDP supporter Begin...another oozy, sleazy opportunist who helped put a nail in the coffin of Bloy, Nuraney and Lee.
"Nuraney and R.T. Lee can doorknock all they want -- the opportunistic who would walk over his children and his grandmother to get power did them in -- the feather-brained and foul-breathed Garth Evans did in his provincial mentors...he goes through political allies like he goes through wives...people to be used and discarded...no wonder he collaborated with the swishy closet NDP supporter Begin...another oozy, sleazy opportunist who helped put a nail in the coffin of Bloy, Nuraney and Lee."
Looks like someone didn't get their Count Chocula this morning.
Begin has never been a supporter of the NDP. Get over it.
It's that kind of silly thinking that did Team Burnaby in, and for that they deserve what they got.
As for a nail in Bloy's coffin, one hopes they are high quality.
The cremation would be most suitable.
Harry's burned alot of people along the way to where he is now.
"What would be considered "value voters"? There is no such thing."
Value voters, for political amateurs, are people who vote based on ideals. Union voters idealize socialism, and millionaires ideal free market BCNDP's way of winning elections has always been simple, but I suppose socialist ideals can only go so far, no? There is a reason Canada has been a G7 nation for so long during which no NDP leader has become the Prime Minister.
But socialism bashing aside, it is important to examine that when a mayor that received 50% of the voters in 30% turn-out election in 2005 got re-elected in 2008, how significant is the "win" against someone who was obviously a joke candidate. Again Andrew, the opposition against the mayor's re-election is astonishing.
So I question BCNDP's optimism. Harry Bloy is likely going to Coquitlam where he lives and his friend just got elected. With Coquitlam moving quite a lot right-ward, I suspect it will be easier for Harry Bloy to win. But given the close result in the council election, taking the Southern Burnaby away BCA would have collapsed anyway, Harry has been a safe incumbent and if he runs, I dont see any BCNDP figure having what it takes to unseat such a strong incumbent. But you, it is always good to dream isnt it? Trying to convince yourself with a 30% turn-out election result in a territory that was not BCNDP's to start with should show how "optimistic" BCNDP is. I would if 2005 was not a lesson for them, let the next provincial election be another one.
Value voters, for political amateurs, are people who vote based on ideals. Union voters idealize socialism, and millionaires ideal free market BCNDP's way of winning elections has always been simple, but I suppose socialist ideals can only go so far, no?
"Seems to be a silly 'invented' label for voters. Not all union members idealize socialism (one can look at the high results obtained in 2001 for the BC Liberals in many ridings including Burnaby to see that).
Citizens vote on the basis of whom they figure would best take care of provincial affairs. Members of political parties, and amateur political hacks like yourself like to tack on these silly labels and vote acording to idealology.
"There is a reason Canada has been a G7 nation for so long during which no NDP leader has become the Prime Minister. "
That has to do with the fact that many Canadians haven't seen a good NDP leader. The only one that was good was Ed Broadbent, but there's also the perpetual acceptance of the federal Liberals, which went left wing under Trudeau (Six and Five, wage and price controls, deficit budgets, National Energy Programme, etc. etc.).
Socialism in some parts did exist under Trudeau's leadership as Prime Minister. As the saying goes, you had to have been there.
"But socialism bashing aside, it is important to examine that when a mayor that received 50% of the voters in 30% turn-out election in 2005 got re-elected in 2008, how significant is the "win" against someone who was obviously a joke candidate. Again Andrew, the opposition against the mayor's re-election is astonishing. "
No it isn't. It has to do with several factors, including the absymal campaign management and style of Team Burnaby. They completely erred on many issues.
Corrigan received 66% of the votes cast for Mayor. That indicates that quite a few who are not NDP members voted for him including a few Conservatives and BC Liberal types.
Also consider that Team Burnaby's campaign was abysmal to say the least.
"So I question BCNDP's optimism. Harry Bloy is likely going to Coquitlam where he lives and his friend just got elected."
Good Coquitlam can have him if they decide to take him. If they don't he can always go back to selling ice cream.
"With Coquitlam moving quite a lot right-ward, I suspect it will be easier for Harry Bloy to win."
So what does that have to do with Burnaby? None of the new riding that is in Coquitlam extends into Burnaby.
Not nessesarily. Harry is affected like other BC Liberal MLAs by the provincial wide acceptance of BC Liberal direction in government.
"But given the close result in the council election,"
There was no close result in council. There was a 1200 vote spread between the last BCA candidate elected and the next one who wasn't.
"taking the Southern Burnaby away BCA would have collapsed anyway, Harry has been a safe incumbent and if he runs, I dont see any BCNDP figure having what it takes to unseat such a strong incumbent."
Guess again. Incumbents have been defeated and it only takes a combination of a strong candidate and the current ambient environment of acceptance of the BC Liberals to do it. Right now I would bet that those two factors are coming together at a good rate of speed to the deteriment of Harry.
"But you, it is always good to dream isnt it? Trying to convince yourself with a 30% turn-out election result in a territory that was not BCNDP's to start with should show how "optimistic" BCNDP is."
Try to convince yourself that Team Burnaby would have won on the same exact margin if they were smart.
Try to remind yourself that civic elections are usally much lower in turnout than provincial or federal elections.
"I would if 2005 was not a lesson for them, let the next provincial election be another one."
The next provincial election may prove to be too late. The opportunity to try and turn things around ended on Nov. 15th, 2008.
But one can also argue successfuly that the real optimum time was November 2005, when the NDP was actually much weaker than it is right now.
But like you, too many didn't figure that one, and like you, Team Burnaby figured they had everything in place for a comfortable majority on council which would ultimately build towards a comfortable result for the BC Liberals in Burnaby in the next provincial election.
Did that ever get old fast.
Wait for the next provincial election. Those so-called 'value voters' that you label may not hold the NDP back, which may end having Burnaby wake up the next morning to not one but four NDP MLA's after the next provincial election.
"Wait for the next provincial election. Those so-called 'value voters' that you label may not hold the NDP back, which may end having Burnaby wake up the next morning to not one but four NDP MLA's after the next provincial election."
Haha, actually, we never figured TB was going to amount to anything, most of us, who wanted change, wanted Lee Rankin out just as much. But he is history now and it is time to look forward. We have gotten rid of people we do not need and it is time to look ahead to the having Richard Lee re-elected. I
Personally would like to see Harry and Richard both defend their seat. As I said, taking Southern Burnaby away, BCA would have collapsed. Ronald Leung came 1% away from defeating the NDP incumbent. So all this supposition about how easily Harry will be defeated continues to be nothing more than some wishful thinking. There has been no strong evidence that BCNDP could have even shaken Harry and Richard's bases. In Northern Burnaby, the socialists were 1% away from being defeated in federal election and council election as I already indicated would collapse BCA if not for Southern Burnaby.
I will certaily wait to see Carole James trying to flip these two ridings to become the premier because if she does, it will be hers. But, the reality is the voters simply are not there. I applaud BCNDP's optimism, but such optimism like their party's socialist ideals will be very hard for such to become reality.
"Haha, actually, we never figured TB was going to amount to anything, most of us, who wanted change, wanted Lee Rankin out just as much. But he is history now and it is time to look forward. We have gotten rid of people we do not need and it is time to look ahead to the having Richard Lee re-elected. I "
The NDP is looking ahead to getting Richard defeated.
"Personally would like to see Harry and Richard both defend their seat."
Harry hasn't had to. Up to now.
"As I said, taking Southern Burnaby away, BCA would have collapsed. "
Not exactly. The BCA did well in North Burnaby.
"Ronald Leung came 1% away from defeating the NDP incumbent. So all this supposition about how easily Harry will be defeated continues to be nothing more than some wishful thinking. "
Wrong. Ronald Leung may have come within reach, but the fact remains he was still defeated. " There has been no strong evidence that BCNDP could have even shaken Harry and Richard's bases."
There will be. Wait for it.
"In Northern Burnaby, the socialists were 1% away from being defeated in federal election and council election as I already indicated would collapse BCA if not for Southern Burnaby. "
Not really comparable. The BCA did well in North Burnaby.
"I will certaily wait to see Carole James trying to flip these two ridings to become the premier because if she does, it will be hers. But, the reality is the voters simply are not there."
The reality is that you're too complacement. That's not a good position to be in.
I applaud BCNDP's optimism, but such optimism like their party's socialist ideals will be very hard for such to become reality.
Wouldn't bet your ass on that one.
The NDP will be working very hard on defeating Richard and Harry.
If Gordon Campbell is not something the voters want, the MLAs will be defeated.
North Burnaby has been NDP a lot longer than it hasn't been NDP.
The NDP will want both seats in North Burnaby and will work very hard to get those.
Garth Evans a threat? A cabbage would be more of a threat and has more of a brain than Garth Evans. Evans was just a power hungry cretin who got what he deserved. And why did none of the three MLAs ever make cabinet? Let me guess...because their brilliance and great abilities went undetected.
Yeah..the guy that was panting over Patti Sahota in his parent's basement...I guess he did a little too much stick-handling and wore out his stick...now he's after R.T. Lee.
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Well you can blame Team Burnaby for that one.
The NDP knew what to do, and how to do it.
The NDP is definately back (despite what some idiot commentators on this blog have said).
Congratulation. I agree with the above voter. While I am not an NDP, not by far, there is nothing else we can do.
Congratulation Mayor Corrigan and but what made this election for me personally is the sad ending for Lee Rankin's political career. Bye bye Team Burnaby.
This is a devastating loss. I don't know what to say. The city of BBY continues to be run by a bunch of left wing zealots. I hate the NDP and everything they stand for. How could the people of BBY be so stupid! (I think I know the answer).
A new united party must be developed to challenge these socialist pigs.
RM
Yeah right. Weren't those statements made in 2005?
Wash spin rinse, repeat.
The answer to could the people of BBY be so stupid?
Answer: Team Burnaby. They're the reason.
No one else to blame bu themselves.
With results like that surely more than one BC Liberal supporter voted for at least one or more BCA
candidates.
I did.
RM, if you're in Burnaby, you'd be better served going NDP provincially than trying to fight BCA in Burnaby. With a provincial NDP, I think there's a better chance Burnaby would get another light rail line. I dream of a Metrotown to Hastings line connected to a new West Coast Express stop in North Burnaby. That would be a huge boon for Burnaby's economy, since we'd be able to kick start office projects in Brentwood Town Centre with workers from as far out as Maple Ridge.
Burnaby is one of the best run cities in Metro Vancouver, with the third lowest taxes, and a huge war chest to weather the financial storm. Hardly socialist pigs.
Not trying to echo with RM since I too am one of the BCLIB that voted for some BCA． But it is BCA members that said themselves that this will be the longest lasting socialist dynasty in Canada. No, "little cuba" was not badly run, but I think even BCA themselves were shocked.
Well, this has more to do to us trying to punish our own TB & IV parties than anything else. Now that we have retired the old people from Team Burnaby and Independent Voice, finally, we will be able to see new forces coming out. Next mayoral election is going to be an open race. I suggest opposition supporters like us start to reach out to BCA members on the bottom of the food chain.
Mayor Corrigan however, is in his last leg of the mayoral career. With the perfect mandate, what kind of legacy is he going to leave us? Is he ready to cut taxes or cut spendings? I dont know, but if it is disaster, he is equally responsible as it would be a success.
Agree there.
Team Burnaby completly missed several key aspects, as per usual.
These clowns couldn't run a civic party properly, and they expected the citizens to take them to governance? Get real.
There's no socialist ideaology at the civic level. Get with reality.
"Well, this has more to do to us trying to punish our own TB & IV parties than anything else. Now that we have retired the old people from Team Burnaby and Independent Voice, finally, we will be able to see new forces coming out. Next mayoral election is going to be an open race. I suggest opposition supporters like us start to reach out to BCA members on the bottom of the food chain. "
This was said more or less in 2005.
Wash rinse spin, repeat.
Many of the faces in Team Burnaby were new never before run people.
Next thing for Team Burnaby is to get over the next event, the lawsuit against them.
Going to be pretty tough sledding in fundraising to cover unpaid bills too.
Ah well, who cares about Team Burnaby anyway? Oh right, Chairman Leung and his followers on his Long March Forward.
La reine est morte… vivent longtemps la burnaby!
Let's put the blame where it belongs ... Lee Rankin and his ... cough, cough ... lovely wife. He took all of these political neophytes for another expensive ride ... but it's great to see that he got what he has long deserved!
Burnaby voters have spoken louder and clearer than ever before ... this City continues to have the most effective government in the entire country. With an NDP civic government, two NDP MP's and with Kathy Corrigan, Mondee Redman and Ron Burton (yes ... you heard it here first) winning for the NDP Provincially ... Burnaby will be in great hands for years to come.
And, as has happened in all previous civic elections ... there will be NO loyalty from any of the Team Burnaby candidates ... one shot wonders all of them ... just like it's happened before. No one will be in for the long haul ... some real dedicated community activists there (ha, ha, ha ... what a joke these people really are). Next time, there will be ANOTHER brand new slate ... manufacturing the same fears ... spouting the same garbage. Maybe they'll invent a disease for Andrew Chisholm just like they did for the last one shot wonder candidate for mayor, Andrew Stewart ... just to make him disappear! Great work, Burnaby voters ... you put those right wing zealots back where they belong!
"Let's put the blame where it belongs ... Lee Rankin and his ... cough, cough ... lovely wife. He took all of these political neophytes for another expensive ride ... but it's great to see that he got what he has long deserved!"
My my aren't we being nasty to Mr. and Mrs. Rankin. Weren't these the coveted husband and wife that were going to lead Team Burnaby to victory? She certainly had a tight grip on Team Burnaby.
"Burnaby voters have spoken louder and clearer than ever before ... this City continues to have the most effective government in the entire country."
True. The result this time for Corrigan is better than last time.
"With an NDP civic government, two NDP MP's and with Kathy Corrigan, Mondee Redman and Ron Burton (yes ... you heard it here first) winning for the NDP Provincially ... Burnaby will be in great hands for years to come."
Possibly could happen (despite what some in here have stated). The NDP is definately back from where it was in 2005, and that is being unusually weak.
and yep I can see Mondee Redman chasing after a seat, since Mom used to be Caledino's Constituency Assistant when he was MLA and both know their way around campaigns.
"And, as has happened in all previous civic elections ... there will be NO loyalty from any of the Team Burnaby candidates ... one shot wonders all of them ... just like it's happened before. No one will be in for the long haul ... some real dedicated community activists there (ha, ha, ha ... what a joke these people really are). Next time, there will be ANOTHER brand new slate ... manufacturing the same fears ... spouting the same garbage."
Certainly happened with - wait for it - Team Burnaby in the past.
"Maybe they'll invent a disease for Andrew Chisholm just like they did for the last one shot wonder candidate for mayor, Andrew Stewart ... just to make him disappear! "
Wel with the last one (2005), he certainly was known to get into the 'spirit' of things.
Great work, Burnaby voters ... you put those right wing zealots back where they belong
Thank you very much. This is one moderate right winger (supporter of the Conservatives and voter of BC Liberals) who voted not for all BCA candidates, but a chosen few (Volkow, Johnston, Mconnell, etc.) and then added in the Independent Voices for a nice mix of preferred candidates.
Voting for Corrigan was satisfying
for once too. Nice to give a political stab to Team Burnaby.
Next thing is, what happens to Chairman Leung and his Long March Forward? He was President when this whole mess with Team Burnaby erupted.
I have to agree with the above writer. This had nothing to do with Right Wing or Left Wing voters but who would be best for the city of Burnaby. I too am a BC Liberal who voted for Derek Corrigan and many of the BCA Council.
Team Burnaby represented Team Burnaby ONLY and not the People of Burnaby. They reminded me of Rita Johnson and the Social Credit Party, an irrelevant party made up of irrelevant people.
However, we also have to take into account that about 33,000 people out of an approximate 200,000 eligible voters voted which is a paltry 16.5% turnout. A low turnout always guarantees a BCA victory.
After this election, Harry Bloy can forget about running Burnaby again, best of luck in Coquitlam, (I am more than certain he will be re-elected since his former BCLIB colleague Richard Stewart who sat with him in 01-05 sessions just got elected mayor).
Richard Lee will become the de-facto leader for the anti-NDP factional force in Burnaby as John Nuraney falls hard and ends his short-lived political career, before going back to A&W to flip burgers, (he has not a hope against Kathy Corrigan, let us all be honest here).
My suggestion for Richard Lee is
1. Convince Dr. Ronald Lueng to run in Burnaby Lougheed which include SFU where he got his PhD from.
2. Recruit TB members/Bill Cunningham supporters and merge with his present IV campaign team, so throw Lee Rankin away but put in many of the Chinese Canadian faces in Dr. Leung and his campaign teams. TB-IV merger re-election campaign team is the only way he can survive.
3. Make friends with BCA city councilors. The rookie councilors elected so far are easily pawns of the Mayor. The mayor along with the five incumbents (including the one that claimed to hold pride in the longest socialist government in Canada), had the highest total of votes and they will likely ignore the remaining rookie councilors. So I would suggest Richard Lee to make friends with Richard Chang and Anne Kang and maybe convince Richard Chang to run against Raj Choujan next May. BCLIB after all continues to be the governing party and it should not be hard to get just one rookie councilor to flip.
Richard Lee needs to be very careful because we all know BCNDP are going after him. With seven ridings to switch only, NDP will only target battleground ridings, which include all three Burnaby BCLIB incumbents. Dont throw away John Nuraney, but rather have him as the shooter against BCNDP to take on the Corrigans and his BCA soldiers, but for Gordon Campbell to hold on to power, it has to involve Richard Lee and hopefully Ronald Leung in northern Burnaby. Richard Lee now is the last beacon of hope for BCLIB. I suggest him get to work right now.
Kudos to Garth Evans and Harry bloy! They have succeeded in destroying every trace of the centre/right coalition in Burnaby!
And next to the ash heap...Bloy, Nuraney and Richard T. Lee.
Great work, Garth and Harry...you really are wonderful, talented and smart guys. We're glad you cuddled up with the most popular guy in Burnaby (I mean Delta)...Gary Begin.
Kudos to the NDP machine which was well oiled with fresh names and contact lists from the Federal Election, and the resulting enthusiasm to run the table. They threw down the organizational gauntlet and challenged the self-proclaimed "freer enterprise" competitors to come up with votes in the 13K - 14K range for councillors! With no taxpayers mad at their sitting BCA Majority Council; with very few Burnaby voters enthralled with the Provincial and Federal Liberals; and with no other rallying cry to the "centre-right faithful" what did anyone else realistically expect would be the outcome?
Ding dong the witch is dead!
I don't see why everybody is so quick to predict that the left-wing sweep will automatically extend to the provincial race.
Federally, two NDP incumbents kept their seats. Burnaby-Douglas was a closer race this time around than 2006. Burnaby-New West was a bigger win for Julian, but he's been a pretty decent MP in the area, and neither the Conservatives or the Grits really had a chance.
Yesterday's civic election, I think anybody with half a brain could have predicted a BCA sweep (or something nearly as close). TEAM Burnaby was even more of a joke this time around, and that does not bode well for non-BCA voters in this city. In 2005, voter turnout was relatively similar (~30000), and TEAM took 3 council spots and 2 school trustee spots. In 2002, TEAM took 1 council spot and 1 trustee spot.
TEAM ran an absolutely brutal campaign this time, so how is such a stretch to predict what happened yesterday?
Fact of the matter is that it's been the same old story for the past 6 years at City Hall. But it's also been well documented that the right has not been unified or had a decent voice to stand behind, on the civic level.
The right-wing voter has been pretty predictable in Burnaby for the past few years. Federally, they're split between the Cons and the Libs, civically, they just don't want to show up, but provincially, they've been there. No split, but up against a very strong NDP base in the city.
Next year's provincial election will be a close one, for sure. But to suggest that the past couple of months have been a revelation of sorts is somewhat ludicrous.
to the "anonymous" A-HOLE that thinks cancer is "Invented" you should pray that its not "invented" for you.
Nuraney, R.T. Lee and Bloy are all going down...thanks to the Evans/Bloy machine...it's strike 1 federal, strike 2, strike 3, the end of the line for the three IV champions -- Bloy, Nuraney and R.T. Lee. The NDP machine will eat them alive.
Andrew Stewart was Brian Bonney and Harry Bloy's invention; just like IV was Harry Bloy's invention -- take a feather brain like Evans and wind up up his egomania. Good thing Evans brought the house down on himself...the pea brain needs to eat a little humble pie and apologize to the MLAs who will be screwed and put out to pasture in spring.
My suggestion for Richard Lee is
1. Convince Dr. Ronald Lueng to run in Burnaby Lougheed which include SFU where he got his PhD from.
Wrong. Why would Ronald Leung enter the picture? Where he got the PhD doesn't matter to many voters.
2. Recruit TB members/Bill Cunningham supporters and merge with his present IV campaign team, so throw Lee Rankin away but put in many of the Chinese Canadian faces in Dr. Leung and his campaign teams.
Wrong. IV is NOT Bill Cunningham's
team. And why this prioritizing of
Chinese Cdn faces? We've been down that path before.
TB-IV merger re-election campaign team is the only way he can survive.
Yeah right as if that is ever going to happen. The same was said about BVNPA and Team Bby prior to 2005. That was a disaster right from the start. Team started because they couldn't get along with the old BVA.
3. Make friends with BCA city councilors. The rookie councilors elected so far are easily pawns of the Mayor. The mayor along with the five incumbents (including the one that claimed to hold pride in the longest socialist government in Canada), had the highest total of votes and they will likely ignore the remaining rookie councilors. So I would suggest Richard Lee to make friends with Richard Chang and Anne Kang and maybe convince Richard Chang to run against Raj Choujan next May.
Raj will be re-elected. And why not make friends with Paul McConnnel? He's new on council.
BCLIB after all continues to be the governing party and it should not be hard to get just one rookie councilor to flip.
Isn't going to mean massive voter suppport.
Richard Lee needs to be very careful because we all know BCNDP are going after him.
That's not new. The NDP was ready to snack on him a few years ago.
With seven ridings to switch only, NDP will only target battleground ridings, which include all three Burnaby BCLIB incumbents.
That's been the way for decades, not new.
Dont throw away John Nuraney, but rather have him as the shooter against BCNDP to take on the Corrigans and his BCA soldiers, but for Gordon Campbell to hold on to power, it has to involve Richard Lee and hopefully Ronald Leung in northern Burnaby.
Here we go with Ronald Leung again.
Richard Lee now is the last beacon of hope for BCLIB. I suggest him get to work right now.
Good. First thing for Richard to do is to ignore these silly propoals and work towards getting support from all people no matter if they are Chinese Cdn. or not.
To earlier posters ranting about Asian representation:
There are now three - count 'em - three Asians on Burnaby Council.
That means that Buraby council comprised of 37% Asian ethnicity.
Andrew Stewart was Brian Bonney and Harry Bloy's invention; just like IV was Harry Bloy's invention
IV was never Harry's invention. It was Gary Begin and Garth Evans to begin with. Harry's invention was initially Team Burnaby ver. 1.0 comprising of Lyin' Brian and his friends. Andrew Stewart just got into the 'spirit' of things.
-- take a feather brain like Evans and wind up up his egomania. Good thing Evans brought the house down on himself...the pea brain needs to eat a little humble pie and apologize to the MLAs who will be screwed and put out to pasture in spring.
Evans doens't have to apologize to anyone.
If the MLA's are screwed and put out to pasture, it will be of their own (and Gordon Campbell's) doing, not anything that Evans did.
Besides, Evans sits on the Burnaby North BC Liberal Executive.
Harry screwed up many times. He first was in on Team Buraby, but had a fight with Lee Rankin, and the two couldn't play together in the same sandbox.
Harry has a habit of not playing well with the other kids in the playground.
You guys really don't get it.
It's not about Richard Lee or Harry Bloy or anyone like that.
Team Burnaby ran a sloppy campaign, and made major errors even before the campaign started.
This despite all th bravdo that Team Burnaby was going to get a majority this time according to some writers here.
Is Team Burnaby too ugly to look at itself in the mirror?
The outcome can be put to two things:
The NPD ran a very successful campaign, well organized.
Team Burnaby did not.
Actually, I believe many BC Liberals and Right of Centre voters wanted this to happen. There were too many so called sand boxes or fiefdoms like the old Imperialistic China.
Everybody wanted to be king so they started there own nation. So this obliteration of Team Burnaby and IV had to happen. It is a blessing in disguise where a common Grassroots Free Enterprise Party can rise from the ashes and be better prepared in 3 years.
This party cannot be Team Burnaby or IV. It has to be a new Party like Mayor Diane Watts's, Delta FIRST Party. A Burnaby FIRST Party led by someone that we can all support, Conservative or Right of Centre Liberal, whether its Dr. Ronald Leung, Ryan Warwara, Robin Dhir, David Haggard, Patty Sahota or Gerry Lenoski.
And please do not jump on me for mentioning these names as these were just political people on the top of my head who live in Burnaby. You bloggers can suggest anyone you want and I would be open to anything right now.
Just by reading most of the blogs whether you support the BC Liberals, Conservatives, and Federal Liberals, I believe by working together a Burnaby First Party can be competitive and be a formidable opponent to BCA.
I heard on a telecast last evening that Diane Watts is the most powerful mayor of Metro Vancouver. It can happen in Burnaby too. Supporters of the Conservatives and 3/4 supporters of Federal Liberals can beat the Mayor anytime but its the Federal Liberals who are bi-polar and have split personalities when it comes to the left and right issue. I wouldn't doubt that many in the Federal Liberals supported Mayor Corrigan like they supported Gregor Robertson in Vancouver.
Evans should apologize to every one...he is just an ugly, lttle opportunist who used TEAM and everyone who built it so he could turn around and destroy everything with his fatheaded egomania...he screwed himself and everyone in the end.
Evans was so dumb, he didn't realize he got elected in '05 because everyone thought he was the old BCA Doug Evans. At least Doug Evans was a decent kind of guy who wouln't walk over his grandmother to get ahead.
Garth is so dumb, he couldn't spell cat if spotted him the "c" and the "t".
In regards to Garth Evans, the only dumb person is the previous writers.
Team Burnaby screwed themselves, no question.
"Actually, I believe many BC Liberals and Right of Centre voters wanted this to happen. There were too many so called sand boxes or fiefdoms like the old Imperialistic China. "
Doesn't relate to China at all.
Someone is obviously homesick. Fiefdoms occured in England, Germany and not to mention the Papal States in Itay.
Team Burnaby according to many on this blog was supposed to be THE
means to defeat the NDP in Burnaby.
Did not happen.
"Everybody wanted to be king so they started there own nation. So this obliteration of Team Burnaby and IV had to happen. It is a blessing in disguise where a common Grassroots Free Enterprise Party can rise from the ashes and be better prepared in 3 years. "
Yeah right. That same sentiment was
said after the 2002 election loss.
Wash rinse spin, repeat.
This party cannot be Team Burnaby or IV. It has to be a new Party like Mayor Diane Watts's, Delta FIRST Party. A Burnaby FIRST Party led by someone that we can all support, Conservative or Right of Centre Liberal, whether its Dr. Ronald Leung, Ryan Warwara, Robin Dhir, David Haggard, Patty Sahota or Gerry Lenoski.
Why would Robin Dhir Dave Haggard etc. enter the picture. And Patty Sahota? Give it a rest.
"And please do not jump on me for mentioning these names as these were just political people on the top of my head who live in Burnaby. You bloggers can suggest anyone you want and I would be open to anything right now."
As if you are the main aspect to developing politics in Burnaby?
"Just by reading most of the blogs whether you support the BC Liberals, Conservatives, and Federal Liberals, I believe by working together a Burnaby First Party can be competitive and be a formidable opponent to BCA."
Oh puhleez. That was the sentiment of Team Burnaby a few years ago.
Same old same old.
"I heard on a telecast last evening that Diane Watts is the most powerful mayor of Metro Vancouver. It can happen in Burnaby too."
Sure it can. If there's the right person.
Supporters of the Conservatives and 3/4 supporters of Federal Liberals can beat the Mayor anytime but its the Federal Liberals who are bi-polar and have split personalities when it comes to the left and right issue. I wouldn't doubt that many in the Federal Liberals supported Mayor Corrigan like they supported Gregor Robertson in Vancouver.
Very true. In fact many federal Conservatives are schizophrenic too.
The major reason why Dianne Watts is where she is, is simply because she gets things done, and doesn't
display a huge ego like quite a few in Burnaby politics (including a few of the aforementioned by the writer).
Team Burnaby was beset with people with large egos and quite a few were on power trips.
They simply jsut couldn't get along and shake their own agendas to get down and busy to win a majority for Burnaby council (despite all of the rhetoric bandied about on this blog about how "good" Team Burnaby was).
Doesn't relate to China at all.
Someone is obviously homesick. Fiefdoms occured in England, Germany and not to mention the Papal States in Itay.
Its getting pretty RACIST in this blog and I'm not even Asian even though my girlfriend is. But I didn't know that England and Germany had patents on Fiefdoms as my Undergraduate and Graduate Professors have been referring to Fiefdoms in my class:
"Before the conquest of the other kingdoms by Qin and the creation of the Chinese Empire, what is now China consisted of a multitude of principalities wracked by chronic warfare. Not only did the seven kingdom go to war with each other, there were feudal subdivisions within the kingdoms which fought with each other and with the rulers of their kingdom."
Yeah right. That same sentiment was
said after the 2002 election loss.
Wash rinse spin, repeat.
I think you meant 2005. Like I said many Burnaby voters, Liberal and Conservatives, chose Mayor Corrigan and BCA over Team Burnaby and Lee Rankin because he was the lesser of two evils.
As if you are the main aspect to developing politics in Burnaby?
Like I said if it was Mike Harcourt, Barack, Doug Drummond, or Moe Sahota they are better choices than Corrigan but unfortunately there wasn't a person like that. Politics is stagnant. We get the same old same old. There should be a time limit on terms like the US, 2 years.
Power corrupts and absolute Power corrupts absolutely.
Dianne Watts gets things done? That's news to me.
During a massive real estate boom, she's failed just as spectacularly in her ambition of starting a Downtown Surrey to challenge Vancouver as did Doug McCallum (who wasn't even trying). Surrey's got little more downtown now than scorched earth and incomplete concrete shells of buildings.
"Downtown Surrey" won't even rival Burnaby Edmonds for another 20 years, and I'd say it won't catch Metrotown for 60 years, despite the huge population disparity between Surrey and Burnaby. And Watts and her band of clowns are trying to rival Downtown Vancouver in the next few years? They'll be lucky if they can even get those couple of incomplete tower husks finished.
Was it a mistake that we let Mayor Corrigan become elected again? No, because BCA is supposed to be in power this time around anyways, and I too have already stated that TB/IV wipe-out was likely. But given the "closeness", TB/IV merge would have at least four elected but we all knew what happened. BUT now, we will forced BCA to take responsibilities for everything, BCA power distribution to me simply does not look perfect.
So my proposals for Richard Lee will be one that will salvage what is left of the now the opposition's only move. I suggest he now put together a new team that can unite forces from all sides, including within BCA. For example, Patti Sahota my mayor of choice could have brought everyone together. She could have identified with the South Asian community and Punjabi community voters.
But it does not matter, they lost and lost badly. My proposal again is the only Richard Lee can lead the clan all the way to the next mayoral election. Can he convince Dr. Ronald Leung or Bill Cunningham to take on BCNDP in northern Burnaby? I believe very strong that he is capable of doing that. We know that the south is a lost cause and we should just let BCLIB candidates do their work on BCNDP. But for Richard Lee to lead a party that has to rise from the ash, he HAS to defend the north. If he cannot, his fate will be no better than Lee Rankin's. But it is crucial to create a platform to unite all supporters including from within BCA. Let us create a new opposition with prominent figures like Patti Sahota leading the party, three years later, they should be able to launch another credible challenge in the council race.
But I didn't know that England and Germany had patents on Fiefdoms as my Undergraduate and Graduate Professors have been referring to Fiefdoms in my class:
"Before the conquest of the other kingdoms by Qin and the creation of the Chinese Empire, what is now China consisted of a multitude of principalities wracked by chronic warfare. Not only did the seven kingdom go to war with each other, there were feudal subdivisions within the kingdoms which fought with each other and with the rulers of their kingdom."
true, and no England and Germany and other locations don't have patents on fiefdoms, but so-called fiefdoms were not indigenous to China. They existed in Medieval Times in England, and Germany was a scattering of small ruling areas before the ascension of the Weimar Republic. Italy was also a quilt pattern of Papal States before there was unification of church governance.
Even here on the Coast, the First Nations were a patchwork of small governed communities, all indigeneous but many thrived on trade such as that conducted by the Coast Salish and Hai'da.
I think you meant 2005.
No, the same sentiments were stated in 2002. There was a movement to unite the two groups, which lead to "Team Burnaby Ver 2.0", which ran candidates in 2005.
Team Burnaby actually goes back to
2000. They ran candidates in the 2002 civic election. Obviously didn't work, so they and the BVNPA decided together to merge into one
in 2004.
That obviously didn't materialize a majority, but returned two Team Burnaby candidates to council.
Team Burnaby later on decided they didn't want those two because they voted for the City Budget.
Tema Burnaby through its resurrections and so forth has been a disaster right from the start.
Like I said many Burnaby voters, Liberal and Conservatives, chose Mayor Corrigan and BCA over Team Burnaby and Lee Rankin because he was the lesser of two evils.
No, it was more of voting for what works in Burnaby, plus the fact that Team Burnaby was not in any shape to run the city (given their infighting and having gone through three campaign managers - one only lasted five days).
There's not much wrong with how things are being run in the City, and the results show it.
The voters will change the council if they are so inclined.
But you're right on one thing.
Team Burnaby was very little more than a political tent for Lee Rankin. It obviously showed.
Now Lee is out of a political job.
As if you are the main aspect to developing politics in Burnaby?
Like I said if it was Mike Harcourt, Barack, Doug Drummond, or Moe Sahota they are better choices than Corrigan but unfortunately there wasn't a person like that. Politics is stagnant. We get the same old same old. There should be a time limit on terms like the US, 2 years.
That will only happen if there is changes to the Local Government Act, which is unlikely.
There would have to be term limitations at the provincial level to balance out (which means Gordon Campbell could not run for his anticipated third term).
Call Richard Lee or John and get them movin' on it if you want it.
Power corrupts and absolute Power corrupts absolutely.
Team Burnaby is a prime example of power corrupting. A real bad sign was when Team Burnaby ended up with its third campaign manager,
amongst alot of things that went wrong with that group.
Patti Sahota ... Gimme a break!!! Although ... she would fit right in with the entire TB bunch from this and past elections ... do nothing in the community, loose one election and disappear into the woodwork ... and continue to do nothing in the community. That is certainly a trait that all past and present TB candidates have ... very shallow, shallow people ... with no committment to anything. Why would anyone want them running our City? Can TB at least recruit some candidates with substance ... of course they can't ... anyone with any substance or real dedication to making Burnaby better is much too busy doing things to waste their time with this bunch.
And what's with this NORTHERN BURNABY thing??? Next thing you know TB will want to be building another Great Wall the length of Canada Way to keep the southern Burnaby invaders back where they belong. Do you TB folks realize how much of a joke you really are!!!
Team Burnaby has never worked since it was put together.
TB's supporters can whine and complain about others being the cause of their defeat, but in the end of things, they really should do one thing for locating the cause of their defeat.
Look in the mirror.
"Patti Sahota ... Gimme a break!!! Although ... she would fit right in with the entire TB bunch from this and past elections ... do nothing in the community, loose one election and disappear into the woodwork ... and continue to do nothing in the community. That is certainly a trait that all past and present TB candidates have ... very shallow, shallow people ... with no committment to anything. Why would anyone want them running our City? Can TB at least recruit some candidates with substance ... of course they can't ... anyone with any substance or real dedication to making Burnaby better is much too busy doing things to waste their time with this bunch."
Funny, Patti Sahota was a cabinet minister, no matter what you want to say, and that goes much further than what you can say about a socialist mayor. But neither Patti Sahota, me, or Richard Lee were "natural" TB supporters. And I too am one of the BCLIB that voted for the mayor's re-election, as part of the strategy to drive Lee Rankin out of jobs. You are correct that many of the board directors that jumped onto the campaign list were not impressive at all. However, that still proves the anti-BCA force outside of the council continues to be very strong. Proportionally, TB-IV could have elected more than four councilors altogether and that should give Richard Lee enough confidence to lead the party.
What's with the northern Burnaby thing you say? It is because we at least know where our territory is, Garth Evans continues to be very strong in this part of the city and Harry Bloy and Richard Lee have very strong presence also in northern Burnaby and these two provincial ridings will be the places for those that wanted change to gather and rebuild after we have driven out the divider. Not to mention BCA's eight council candidates won plurality, not majority since they were able to drive out supporters. We couldnt do that with the present team and we threw them out, and we will do what we have to do that next time to give representations to those under-represented.
I think TB underestimated IV. IV ran a very efficient campaign. Eventually to their own demise and that of TB. And to the benefit of BCA. I am sure our beloved King of Burnaby had a big fat smile on his face all along watching this play out. Everyone got what they deserved. Hope TB and IV learn from this. My guess is they won't.
R.I.P. Centre right in Burnaby...destroyed by the snakes called Garth Evans and Harry Bloy...hope you're all happy now.
NDP wins big next spring in Burnaby.
Barbara Spitz should demand a "recount". She only lost by about 5000 votes - not really that many when you think about it.
Come on. let's hear it! RECOUNT FOR BARBARA.
Barbara Spitz should demand a "recount". She only lost by about 5000 votes - not really that many when you think about it.
Come on. let's hear it! RECOUNT FOR BARBARA.
How about all of us put money together for psychiatric sessions for you instead? Might be a better use of your time.
F"unny, Patti Sahota was a cabinet minister, no matter what you want to say, and that goes much further than what you can say about a socialist mayor. "
Sahota was a Cabinet Minister of something which didn't need to exist in the first place. She was appointed in February 2005, and her term lasted until April 2005.
So she was a Cabinet Minister for less than 90 days.
She was made a Cabinet Minister to save her from defeat, but it obviously didn't work.
"But neither Patti Sahota, me, or Richard Lee were "natural" TB supporters."
No one was a 'natural' TB supporter. The only ones that were were Lee Rankin and his better half.
"And I too am one of the BCLIB that voted for the mayor's re-election, as part of the strategy to drive Lee Rankin out of jobs."
Well, you did good on that one.
"You are correct that many of the board directors that jumped onto the campaign list were not impressive at all. "
That's for damb sure. Raymond Leung had to be the worst of the bad bunch.
"However, that still proves the anti-BCA force outside of the council continues to be very strong."
Wouldn't go that far. They exist,
and that's about it.
"Proportionally, TB-IV could have elected more than four councilors altogether and that should give Richard Lee enough confidence to lead the party. "
Richard has never led the party.
"What's with the northern Burnaby thing you say? It is because we at least know where our territory is, Garth Evans continues to be very strong in this part of the city and Harry Bloy and Richard Lee have very strong presence also in northern Burnaby and these two provincial ridings will be the places for those that wanted change to gather and rebuild after we have driven out the divider."
Yeah right. The NDP is also very strong in North Bby too.
"Not to mention BCA's eight council candidates won plurality, not majority since they were able to drive out supporters. We couldnt do that with the present team and we threw them out, and we will do what we have to do that next time to give representations to those under-represented."
Who is 'we'? Did you actually do any campaign work, or just continue on and digitally snort about the the outcome through this
wretched blog?
We, as in the majority of the voters that DID NOT vote for BCA council candidates. BCA won plurality, not majority. And it does not matter if I was involved in the campaigns for one of the school trustees that did not get elected, the point is, the anti-BCA continue to be very strong and a joint slate of TB/IV could have take some of the BCA candidates out. And yes, we did throw Lee Rankin out because we have decided to opt for someone better. Given this year's team, we the people who believe in change had no choice anyways. A ＴＢ－ＩＶ joint plate of four councilors with four U40 candidates running for the council could have knocked some BCA candidates out of running, but that is in the past and we do not need Lee Rankin & Co. anymore. BCA victory is in the past and it is time to look to the future. To us, the future holds in Richard Lee who is able to easily unite friends from all sides to advance a transition of power, finally. The Republicans had majority of the Senate ever since the first term of Clinton, and two years before Obama came along they had a majority. It does take a long time for the change to come along, and Richard Lee in my humble opinion, is the change we can believe in, three years from now. What we have to focus on right now however is to hold and unlike municipal race, we have a consensus on it, and the best way to dampen Mayor Corrigan's hope for re-election is to have him beat in the provincial race and hold BCNDP back. Given that BCA's support is not even majority, when it comes down to BCNDP and BCLIB in an election with much higher turnout, BCLIB should easily prevail.
"We, as in the majority of the voters that DID NOT vote for BCA council candidates."
The majority of voters who voted did in fact vote in BCA. The numerics show that.
BCA won plurality, not majority.
Kind of splitting hairs here.
BCA won. Live with it.
And it does not matter if I was involved in the campaigns for one of the school trustees that did not get elected, the point is, the anti-BCA continue to be very strong and a joint slate of TB/IV could have take some of the BCA candidates out. "
Sure they could have. If they were smart, but remember Team Burnaby started this whole mess to begin with with their antics.
And yes, we did throw Lee Rankin out because we have decided to opt for someone better. Given this year's team, we the people who believe in change had no choice anyways. A ＴＢ－ＩＶ joint plate of four councilors with four U40 candidates running for the council could have knocked some BCA candidates out of running, but that is in the past and we do not need Lee Rankin & Co. anymore.
Under 40 does not matter.
BCA victory is in the past and it is time to look to the future.
So why are you keeping to whining about the outcome (i.e. your opening statement) Live with it.
"To us, the future holds in Richard Lee who is able to easily unite friends from all sides to advance a transition of power, finally."
Richard is going to have serious difficulties in getting re-elected if the NDP opts for a good candidate next time around. Which will most likely happen.
The Republicans had majority of the Senate ever since the first term of Clinton, and two years before Obama came along they had a majority.
Emphasis on had. But you're missing an important aspect. The Senate in the United States is elected (it is not in Canada). The Senate is a second tier governance which has no equivalent in Canadian civic politics.
"It does take a long time for the change to come along, and Richard Lee in my humble opinion, is the change we can believe in, three years from now."
You might want to just think ahead to 7 months from now in regards to Richard. Even money right now, leading on 'won't' in regards to him existing as an MLA in June 2009.
What we have to focus on right now however is to hold and unlike municipal race, we have a consensus on it, and the best way to dampen Mayor Corrigan's hope for re-election is to have him beat in the provincial race and hold BCNDP back.
Hah! Good luck on that one. The NDP is far more better organized, they have had two successes in the past 4 months and you can bet your behind that they are most likely wanting a third in May next year.
"Given that BCA's support is not even majority,"
Er yes it is, numerically. If one acrued the total votes BCA got with that with Team Burnaby, the BCA obtains the larger vote share.
when it comes down to BCNDP and BCLIB in an election with much higher turnout, BCLIB should easily prevail.
Yeah right. How many times have you written that one?
Wash, rinse, spin, repeat.
Who is the basement dweller who thinks the befuddled nitwit Richard T. Lee could lead anything...he's so hapless and befuddled he couldn't lead a poodle to take a poop...I guess the basement loser divides between between drooling over Richard T. Lee's and Patty Sahota's soiled picture when he's not dreaming up these asinine fantasies. Richard T. Lee is toast, like the other 2 Bby Libs.
Yeah...this Patti Sahota fetish is kind of creepy...looks like R.T. Lee and Sahota have a cyber-stalker on their hands.
Patti for Queen! Patti for G-G! Patti for P.M. Patti...I have your picture on my wall!
And now...the next Barak Obama...Richard T. Lee...but can he spell "c-h-a-n-g-e" -- that might be the tough part.
Haha, you BCNDP supporters are very funny, no wonder people take you guys as jokes. I have already predicted that BCNDP will lose to BCLIB MLA's, and I will say it again, BCNDP will lose, and you heard here first. And if you guys think you are funny now, just wait till when you lose.....
Wasn't you or someone like you that said that the BCA would be defeated in this election?
It was said many times over the past several months (particularly before September) that the BCA would be handily defeated.
and wasn't it you or someone like you that said Bill Siskay was going to be defeated in the federal election?
You're not exactly playing .250 hockey, pal.
"Patti for Queen! Patti for G-G! Patti for P.M. Patti...I have your picture on my wall!"
Obviously a very geeky nerd who doesn't have a life.
And now...the next Barak Obama...Richard T. Lee...but can he spell "c-h-a-n-g-e" -- that might be the tough part.
No it isn't.
C-h-a-n-g-e from a defeated MLA to going back to "I (space) am (space ) a-t (space) t-h-e (space) T-R-I-U-M-F (space) P-r-o-g-r-a-m (space) . (space)" will be pretty easy for him to accomplish.
No one ever said it was a sure thing. If everything had been a sure thing, then why have elections. All of that was to show how little support Bill Siksay actually has against what some BCNDP like to make themselves believe and I was only off by 1%. As for BCA I have always predicted a sweep of the city council long ago and like some have said here, it shouldnt take a genius to figure that out. However, again, BCA did not win majority, they won plurality. It should not be too difficult to figure out how to beat BCNDP. Do you or Colleen Jordan honestly believe that the majority of Burnaby electorates are going to vote for a socialist party? There is however no point trying to tell BCNDP socialist enthusiasts about the broad support BCLIB have gotten. We should just wait till when we beat these socialist supporters before we laugh at them.
"No one ever said it was a sure thing. "
A few people writing to this blog sure as heck did in regards to overcoming the NDP. Both federally and civic. That didn't happen.
"If everything had been a sure thing, then why have elections."
Because it provides a foundation to our democracy. Some people who were on Council didn't make it. Others who have never run for council before, did. Others who did run for council, did make it back.
All of that was to show how little support Bill Siksay actually has against what some BCNDP like to make themselves believe and I was only off by 1%.
and you just said "why have elections".
"A for BCA I have always predicted a sweep of the city council long ago and like some have said here, it shouldnt take a genius to figure that out."
SOme other geniuses here figured that majority was going to be Team Burnaby one. Certainly didn't happen.
"Hwever, again, BCA did not win majority, they won plurality."
Doesn't matter. They won the majority of seats on Council and won a majority of the volume of votes.
In other wors, they got more seats and got more votes.
"It should not be too difficult to figure out how to beat BCNDP."
Obviously out of reach for those in Team Burnaby.
"o you or Colleen Jordan honestly believe that the majority of Burnaby electorates are going to vote for a socialist party?"
They did in Burnaby Edmonds, and have many times in Burnaby North and Burnaby Willingdon in the past.
They have in both Burnaby Douglas and in Burnaby New Westminster.
There is however no point trying to tell BCNDP socialist enthusiasts about the broad support BCLIB have gotten.
What broad base? If there was an election right now, today, the NDP would probably win the two seats held by the BC Liberals.
We should just wait till when we beat these socialist supporters before we laugh at them.
That's going to be a long time if Gordon Campbell doesn't get smart.
The NDP is already fiendishly laughing at the BC Liberals.
They are looking at John and Richard and saying.
"Dinner will be served shortly.."
"Yeah right. The NDP is also very strong in North Bby too."
Ummm... Not that strong. They only won by 800 votes over the Conservatives.
2008 Federal Election
NDP
Bill Siksay 17,937 37.94% Elected
CON
Ronald Leung 17,139 36.25%
LIB
Bill Cunningham 9,177 19.41%
The level of idiocy from both "sides" in this comment thread is astounding.
Would you TB supporters please take the marbles out of your mouth and learn some proper English ... it's still Burnaby's official language ... despite what some of you seem to want. What happened to all of us being just plain old Canadians ... instead of those of you that need to "give representations to those under-represented." Maybe it's time to get back on the boat and head back to your village.
The level of idiocy from both "sides" in this comment thread is astounding.
Much of the commentary coming from those who supported Team Burnaby is craptacular.
Again we DO NOT support Team Burnaby and its jokers. What we are are people who belong to the majority of voters who DID NOT vote for BCA council candidates. The thin plurality in such a low turn-out election should be a disappointment if not a defeat for BCA members. We should see next spring when BCLIB successfully beat Mayor Corrigan at this game and prove some socialist enthusiasts wrong.
Again we DO NOT support Team Burnaby and its jokers. What we are are people who belong to the majority of voters who DID NOT vote for BCA council candidates.
There were that many voters who voted neither Team Burnaby nor BCA
exclusively.
The thin plurality in such a low turn-out election should be a disappointment if not a defeat for BCA members.
No it's not. The BCA did very well this time around. BCA candidates together received the largest volume of votes.
We should see next spring when BCLIB successfully beat Mayor Corrigan at this game and prove some socialist enthusiasts wrong.
Good luck on that one.
The NDP has had two successes, they are most definately starting the work for the third.
99 per cent of this blog is crap.
For your information. Richard Lee is a decent guy and even though he was way-too-partisan when first elected, he has learned to represent his constituency. (The one and only requirement for an elected official.)
Yes, Richard Lee will be in trouble if the BC Liberals totally flop. But that story is yet to be told.
Nuraney is already toast.
And Harry is in his toughest fight ever.
As for the Ron Burton prediction?
I'd caution him against duplicity.
People don't like politicians who run for one seat in November, and then another 'better paid position' just a few months later. I believe that would be a losing strategy on his part.
And it's just 1,092 more days until the return of LEE RANKIN!!!
Enjoy the winter!
99 per cent of this blog is crap.
No shit, Sherlock. You're also within that 99 percent.
"For your information. Richard Lee is a decent guy and even though he was way-too-partisan when first elected, he has learned to represent his constituency. (The one and only requirement for an elected official.)"
Yep, too bad John hasn't learned to do the same thing.
"Yes, Richard Lee will be in trouble if the BC Liberals totally flop. But that story is yet to be told."
The preface to that is being written right now.
"Nuraney is already toast.
And Harry is in his toughest fight ever."
Yeh, so what? Harry's had it too easy for too long.
As for the Ron Burton prediction?
I'd caution him against duplicity.
People don't like politicians who run for one seat in November, and then another 'better paid position' just a few months later.
Gregr Robertson did that. So did Gordon Campbell.
Ron Burton will stay on council.
"And it's just 1,092 more days until the return of LEE RANKIN!!! "
Oh phuleez. Are you going to start counting down each and every day?
Meh.
"There were that many voters who voted neither Team Burnaby nor BCA
exclusively."
That is us, who did not vote for TB nor BCA, possibly IV, some not so much. The point is, even in such a low-turnout election, BCA socialist enthusiasts could not achieve majority, just imagine when the real voters come out to vote against BCNDP, that my friend, will be the true landslide. Mayor Corrigan should know that the party he belongs to is not one that the voters will support and the previous blogger is right, Richard Lee has learned to represent his constituents, and has friends in liberals and conservatives. There are people like us who know how to beat BCNDP, and we simply threw Lee Rankin out because he is not part of our plan.
If you think Richard Lee will be toast, then your socialist enthusiasts will soon be proved wrong. In 2005, BCA too has 7 city councilors with Lee Rankin in opposition who to us does not even begin to matter, and guess what, Richard Lee still got elected.
Gordon Campbell has just built a school to save John Nuraney, trust me, he is not going to let Richard Lee go down since we all know if Richard Lee goes down, and he is only going down if BCNDP forms next government which according to today's economic situation is impossible. We should let BCA rejoice in their so far "victory", though far from mandate, but when it comes down to elections that matter, BCLIB continue to have BCNDP beat.
That is us, who did not vote for TB nor BCA, possibly IV, some not so much.
Statistically, one did not vote for TB, BCA, nor IV is a rare animal.
The point is, even in such a low-turnout election, BCA socialist enthusiasts could not achieve majority,
Actually they did. They won the entire number of seats on council.
Corrigan received 20,365 votes to
Chisholm's 10,110 votes, representing numerically the majority of votes cast.
Same with council.
"just imagine when the real voters come out to vote against BCNDP, that my friend, will be the true landslide."
COuld go the other way too, real voters may decide to vote for NDP candidates, thus tossing out Richard John and Harry into the can.
"Mayor Corrigan should know that the party he belongs to is not one that the voters will support and the previous blogger is right,"
They did in Burnaby Edmonds, and Richard did not receive a huge margin of a win in Burnaby North last time.
"Richard Lee has learned to represent his constituents, and has friends in liberals and conservatives."
True, unlike John who hasn't learned to do that yet, and it may be too late.
" There are people like us who know how to beat BCNDP, and we simply threw Lee Rankin out because he is not part of our plan. "
A bit conceited here. Obviously the
"know how to beat the NDP" is incorrect. If you really did know how to beat the NDP, there would not have been a huge win for the BCA. With the NDP you have to defeat them at the civic level first to demoralize them, then go in for the kill at the provincial level, but you nuts didn't do that.
"If you think Richard Lee will be toast, then your socialist enthusiasts will soon be proved wrong."
You might be surprised.
In 2005, BCA too has 7 city councilors with Lee Rankin in opposition who to us does not even begin to matter, and guess what, Richard Lee still got elected.
That did not play into how Richard got re-elected and his victory in 2005 was far from being huge. He lost support considerably compared to what he received in 2001.
Gordon Campbell has just built a school to save John Nuraney, trust me, he is not going to let Richard Lee go down since we all know if Richard Lee goes down, and he is only going down if BCNDP forms next government which according to today's economic situation is impossible.
Actually you're wrong, since economic hard times are good environments for change to governments.
We should let BCA rejoice in their so far "victory", though far from mandate
Excuse us? The BCA won a large apportion of the vote, resulting in all council seats, plus Mayor and School Board.
but when it comes down to elections that matter, BCLIB continue to have BCNDP beat.
Yeah right.
Dream on, and if you really want to ensure Richard's victory, stop making dumb statements on blogs such as this one and start folding canvass folders and get out there on the streets.
It's the only way Richard will get his job back.
Excuse me.
I cannot name one thing that Richard Lee has done, other than avoid the name-calling and bluster that have characterized Nuraney and Bloy.
Staying quiet will not win him an election.
Richard Lee needs to DO SOMETHING!
Knocking on doors would be a good start.
Otherwise - Burnaby will have an NDP sweep at school board, council, and in Victoria and Ottawa.
And that would be something!
True. It would be something.
That is for the NDP.
The NDP already has swept the federal ridings, and council and school board.
Next: provincial.
You idiot BC Liberals better get movin' and movin' fast. The provincial is the last hope.
and bet your ass that voters may decide to vote NDP in large numbers if Campbell doesn't smarten up.
The blindly loyal position many BC Liberals take in Burnaby doesn't go well with the real voters.
But, the choice is totally up to you.
Convince us - the voters who ordinarily vote BC Liberal and not NDP - that Richard and John are worthy of re-election.
In other words, sell 'em to us.
Harry isn't with his trade mark rants and rages.
if the NDP ends up with MLA's all over Burnaby, don't blame us.
So get movin'. The next provincial election is Richard's, and John's to lose.
Richard Lee is toast. Doesn't much matter what he does now - it's too late. Maybe an endorsememnt from Garth Evans would put him over the top :)
John N's seat is very iffy. He did mimself no good by endorsing Barbara Spitz. It will come back to bite him.
Harry probably can still win although a very good NDP candidate there might do the trick for them.
The Liberals are acting for all the world like they just don't care about winning the next election.
H. Bloy + IV = bye, bye. Richard Lee.
Big thanks from us NDP to IV -- now we get rid of the Liberals three...
Harry + Johnny and Richard Lee.
Oh...what fun it will be.
"Richard Lee is toast. Doesn't much matter what he does now - it's too late. Maybe an endorsememnt from Garth Evans would put him over the top :)"
Considering that Garth is already on the Executive of Burnaby North, that's already been done.
"John N's seat is very iffy. He did mimself no good by endorsing Barbara Spitz. It will come back to bite him. "
That won't. The fact that John hasn't done anything of much value to Willingdon in terms of citizen contact and input will come back to bite him.
"Harry probably can still win although a very good NDP candidate there might do the trick for them. "
Hopefully. Harry has to go through a bit of anger management.
"The Liberals are acting for all the world like they just don't care about winning the next election."
Well, when they do, it will be too late.
Be there when it happens.
This election is no indication of a Burnaby swing to the left. All it shows is how the BCA ran a far better campaign than the others.
The NDP thrives in elections with low turnouts as a good organization can elect NDP candidates if they get their vote out and their opposition don't give a $hit on election day. And that is what happened. As a matter of fact it happened in the recent Provincial election as well as the Vancouver Civic Election.
The IV and Team Burnaby ran a less than abysmal campaign and deserved to be spanked.
Previous comment right on re T/B. I actually thought IV wasn't so bad from the point of view of efficiency and what they could do witha small core of help and a smaller budget. Of course the idea that they would go it alone and somehow come out on top was dumb. Really dumb when you think they did the same thing in 2002. Some lessons apparently need refreshers.
Nurany and Lee should have staed right out of it. Each only won by a tiny margin. John likes to say thqat local politics has nothing to do with provincial. Keep thinking that John boy. Mrs Corrigan is smiling already.
I wonder if the Basi-Virk troubles will have any effect on the provincial election?
The government's manouvering to push the trial date back until after the election appears to be working.
http://billtieleman.blogspot.com/2008/11/basi-virk-supreme-court-of-canada.html
Does anyone know of a Burnaby connection to any of it?
IV -- didn't Garth Evans star in "Dumb and Dumber"?
If not, he should have.
I'm sure Harry's even angrier now that his little IV experiment is up in smoke.
NDP rules thanks to the IV fools!
IV -- didn't Garth Evans star in "Dumb and Dumber"?
If not, he should have
He did, but top billing goes to
Raymond Leung, with co-starring
Lee Rankin and Special Guest Star
Andrew Chisholm.
The movie was "Dumb and Dumber - Revenge of the Nerds."
Garth just had a cameo role before going on to premiere in a better picture.
Previous comment right on re T/B. I actually thought IV wasn't so bad from the point of view of efficiency and what they could do witha small core of help and a smaller budget.
True, but there's never been any perfect campaign, but the BCA came close.
Of course the idea that they would go it alone and somehow come out on top was dumb. Really dumb when you think they did the same thing in 2002. Some lessons apparently need refreshers.
Team Burnaby needs a few remedial lessons in basic politics. We'll start by never instigate the potential of splitting of a vote
Nurany and Lee should have staed right out of it. Each only won by a tiny margin. John likes to say thqat local politics has nothing to do with provincial. Keep thinking that John boy. Mrs Corrigan is smiling already
and oh boy is John ever going to learn about that one.
Don't worry about Kathy Corrigan.
Be far more worried about what her campaign is going to consist of.
Hint: Think back to the BCA Civic
campaign in 2008.
wonder if the Basi-Virk troubles will have any effect on the provincial election?
It will if the court activity gets heavy sometime between February and April.
The government's manouvering to push the trial date back until after the election appears to be working.
It may not work. Nothing has been decided decisively yet.
Does anyone know of a Burnaby connection to any of it?
There isn't one. Both Virk and Basi were Regional Organizers for the BC Liberals (one in Vancouver, the other in Surrey). This was before two idiots aided by Harry Bloy were made Regional Organizers.
"True, but there's never been any perfect campaign, but the BCA came close."
Are you serious? Is BCA a bunch of geniuses? Are they all so smart? So smart that two of the councilors even tried running for higher offices and couldnt do it on themselves, so smart that its own chair of the finance committee could not bring himself to any dissent against "unpopular" financial practices, and Collen and Nick who would have been no-one if not for their BCNDP membership.
The formula to win election for BCA?
1. Have Mayor Corrigan tell the union to print pamphlets and distribute across the community and force out the "value voters".
2. Have Mayor Corrigan's signs sparsely displayed across the city in hope that people wont notice the election so that Mayor Corrigan can hope for a low-turnout election where otherwise it is more likely to have him defeated.
3. Have Mayor Corrigan pick candidates pick candidates that can "increase" the voter support, in other words, absorb support from the candidates that are not associated with socialist ideology and pretend that BCA/BCNDP has nothing to do with socialist ideology.
But we all know Mayor Corrigan is in line with Jack Layton's socialist ideals, and we all know how democratic Mayor Corrigan in his city hall practices, especially so he claims, now with a pure BCA council, they "always" had disagreements.
Incorrect. the socialist enthusiasts are wrong about trying to project 30% turnout election onto the provincial one. They are also wrong about Richard Lee making a mistake trying to stay neutral. The only thing Richard Lee has to do again, I repeat, 1. have Ronald Leung run vacant BBY-Lougheed to make sure people remember from 2008's federal election that they need to unite, 2. unite liberals with conservatives on the provincial front to avoid another repeat of 2008's close loss to BCA which had never achieved majority in council lections, and 3. reach across the aisle to people who are not inclined to support BCNDP's socialist ideals.
The formula of force out the voters, reduce the protest votes and expand the base is simply to replicate, especially against parties with socialist ideals that have proven to be in almost perpetual opposition in other democratic countries. I suggest BCLIB to be ready and the only way to success has always been unity and it will continue to be the key in this election.
Are you serious? Is BCA a bunch of geniuses? Are they all so smart?
Actually they are. They know how to campaign, and how to get the vote out. Which says alot more than Team Burnaby.
So smart that two of the councilors even tried running for higher offices and couldnt do it on themselves, so smart that its own chair of the finance committee could not bring himself to any dissent against "unpopular" financial practices, and Collen and Nick who would have been no-one if not for their BCNDP membership.
Disagree there. The point is, they won quite handily. Team Burnaby did not.
The formula to win election for BCA?
1. Have Mayor Corrigan tell the union to print pamphlets and distribute across the community and force out the "value voters".
What would be considered "value voters"? There is no such thing.
2. Have Mayor Corrigan's signs sparsely displayed across the city in hope that people wont notice the election so that Mayor Corrigan can hope for a low-turnout election where otherwise it is more likely to have him defeated.
Wrong there. There were signs in quite a few places. The old days of saturating neighbourhoods with signs on boulevards and street frontage is gone.
3. Have Mayor Corrigan pick candidates pick candidates that can "increase" the voter support, in other words, absorb support from the candidates that are not associated with socialist ideology and pretend that BCA/BCNDP has nothing to do with socialist ideology.
The BCA does not have any socialist ideology in its policies, and Team Burnaby through the backrooms has 'preferred' some candidates over others, and I won't even get into the provincial counterpart and that is the BC Liberals 'preferring' candidates.
But we all know Mayor Corrigan is in line with Jack Layton's socialist ideals, and we all know how democratic Mayor Corrigan in his city hall practices, especially so he claims, now with a pure BCA council, they "always" had disagreements.
and this would have been - had Team Burnaby won a majority no different than being on the hand of Gordon Campbell, how?
Incorrect. the socialist enthusiasts are wrong about trying to project 30% turnout election onto the provincial one. They are also wrong about Richard Lee making a mistake trying to stay neutral. The only thing Richard Lee has to do again, I repeat, 1. have Ronald Leung run vacant BBY-Lougheed to make sure people remember from 2008's federal election that they need to unite,
Not going to happen since Bby Lougheed is the domain of Harry Bloy who through the 'assistance' of the BC Liberals will have no trouble obtaining the nomination there.
2. unite liberals with conservatives on the provincial front to avoid another repeat of 2008's close loss to BCA which had never achieved majority in council lections
That was said prior to the civic elections. Actually BCA had achieved the majority of seats in past civic elections, not an entire
sweep.
and 3. reach across the aisle to people who are not inclined to support BCNDP's socialist ideals.
3(a) Provide a good means to do so.
3(b) Establish a good well run civic organisation that does not emcumber the elected reps to adhere to directives from the civic group's Executive
3(c) Set a wide open nomination meeting without backroom goings on.
The formula of force out the voters, reduce the protest votes and expand the base is simply to replicate, especially against parties with socialist ideals that have proven to be in almost perpetual opposition in other democratic countries.
An over the top statement, since none of what you state is applicable to local civic politics.
I suggest BCLIB to be ready and the only way to success has always been unity and it will continue to be the key in this election.
No it won't. You'd better be better smart and face reality that the next provincial election will be one of the most difficult the BC Liberals has faced. The BC Liberals have had it too good for too long.
John and Richard better get smart and start campaigning starting the 2nd week of January.
That's 5o to 100 houses a week for January, February and March.
In April, they still go out and cavass 50 to 100 houses.
Per night for 5 nights a week.
Nuraney and R.T. Lee can doorknock all they want -- the opportunistic who would walk over his children and his grandmother to get power did them in -- the feather-brained and foul-breathed Garth Evans did in his provincial mentors...he goes through political allies like he goes through wives...people to be used and discarded...no wonder he collaborated with the swishy closet NDP supporter Begin...another oozy, sleazy opportunist who helped put a nail in the coffin of Bloy, Nuraney and Lee.
"Nuraney and R.T. Lee can doorknock all they want -- the opportunistic who would walk over his children and his grandmother to get power did them in -- the feather-brained and foul-breathed Garth Evans did in his provincial mentors...he goes through political allies like he goes through wives...people to be used and discarded...no wonder he collaborated with the swishy closet NDP supporter Begin...another oozy, sleazy opportunist who helped put a nail in the coffin of Bloy, Nuraney and Lee."
Looks like someone didn't get their Count Chocula this morning.
Begin has never been a supporter of the NDP. Get over it.
It's that kind of silly thinking that did Team Burnaby in, and for that they deserve what they got.
As for a nail in Bloy's coffin, one hopes they are high quality.
The cremation would be most suitable.
Harry's burned alot of people along the way to where he is now.
"What would be considered "value voters"? There is no such thing."
Value voters, for political amateurs, are people who vote based on ideals. Union voters idealize socialism, and millionaires ideal free market BCNDP's way of winning elections has always been simple, but I suppose socialist ideals can only go so far, no? There is a reason Canada has been a G7 nation for so long during which no NDP leader has become the Prime Minister.
But socialism bashing aside, it is important to examine that when a mayor that received 50% of the voters in 30% turn-out election in 2005 got re-elected in 2008, how significant is the "win" against someone who was obviously a joke candidate. Again Andrew, the opposition against the mayor's re-election is astonishing.
So I question BCNDP's optimism. Harry Bloy is likely going to Coquitlam where he lives and his friend just got elected. With Coquitlam moving quite a lot right-ward, I suspect it will be easier for Harry Bloy to win. But given the close result in the council election, taking the Southern Burnaby away BCA would have collapsed anyway, Harry has been a safe incumbent and if he runs, I dont see any BCNDP figure having what it takes to unseat such a strong incumbent. But you, it is always good to dream isnt it? Trying to convince yourself with a 30% turn-out election result in a territory that was not BCNDP's to start with should show how "optimistic" BCNDP is. I would if 2005 was not a lesson for them, let the next provincial election be another one.
Value voters, for political amateurs, are people who vote based on ideals. Union voters idealize socialism, and millionaires ideal free market BCNDP's way of winning elections has always been simple, but I suppose socialist ideals can only go so far, no?
"Seems to be a silly 'invented' label for voters. Not all union members idealize socialism (one can look at the high results obtained in 2001 for the BC Liberals in many ridings including Burnaby to see that).
Citizens vote on the basis of whom they figure would best take care of provincial affairs. Members of political parties, and amateur political hacks like yourself like to tack on these silly labels and vote acording to idealology.
"There is a reason Canada has been a G7 nation for so long during which no NDP leader has become the Prime Minister. "
That has to do with the fact that
many Canadians haven't seen a good NDP leader. The only one that was
good was Ed Broadbent, but there's also the perpetual acceptance of the federal Liberals, which went
left wing under Trudeau (Six and Five, wage and price controls, deficit budgets, National Energy Programme, etc. etc.).
Socialism in some parts did exist under Trudeau's leadership as Prime Minister. As the saying goes, you had to have been there.
"But socialism bashing aside, it is important to examine that when a mayor that received 50% of the voters in 30% turn-out election in 2005 got re-elected in 2008, how significant is the "win" against someone who was obviously a joke candidate. Again Andrew, the opposition against the mayor's re-election is astonishing. "
No it isn't. It has to do with several factors, including the absymal campaign management and style of Team Burnaby. They completely erred on many issues.
Corrigan received 66% of the votes cast for Mayor. That indicates that quite a few who are not NDP members voted for him including a
few Conservatives and BC Liberal types.
Also consider that Team Burnaby's campaign was abysmal to say the least.
"So I question BCNDP's optimism. Harry Bloy is likely going to Coquitlam where he lives and his friend just got elected."
Good Coquitlam can have him if they decide to take him. If they don't he can always go back to selling ice cream.
"With Coquitlam moving quite a lot right-ward, I suspect it will be easier for Harry Bloy to win."
So what does that have to do with Burnaby? None of the new riding that is in Coquitlam extends into Burnaby.
Not nessesarily. Harry is affected like other BC Liberal MLAs by the
provincial wide acceptance of BC Liberal direction in government.
"But given the close result in the council election,"
There was no close result in council. There was a 1200 vote spread between the last BCA candidate elected and the next one
who wasn't.
"taking the Southern Burnaby away BCA would have collapsed anyway, Harry has been a safe incumbent and if he runs, I dont see any BCNDP figure having what it takes to unseat such a strong incumbent."
Guess again. Incumbents have been defeated and it only takes a combination of a strong candidate and the current ambient environment of acceptance of the BC Liberals to do it. Right now I would bet that those two factors are coming together at a good rate of speed to the deteriment of Harry.
"But you, it is always good to dream isnt it? Trying to convince yourself with a 30% turn-out election result in a territory that was not BCNDP's to start with should show how "optimistic" BCNDP is."
Try to convince yourself that Team Burnaby would have won on the same exact margin if they were smart.
Try to remind yourself that civic
elections are usally much lower in turnout than provincial or federal elections.
"I would if 2005 was not a lesson for them, let the next provincial election be another one."
The next provincial election may prove to be too late. The opportunity to try and turn things around ended on Nov. 15th, 2008.
But one can also argue successfuly that the real optimum time was November 2005, when the NDP was actually much weaker than it is right now.
But like you, too many didn't figure that one, and like you, Team Burnaby figured they had everything in place for a comfortable majority on council which would ultimately build towards a comfortable result for the BC Liberals in Burnaby in the next provincial election.
Did that ever get old fast.
Wait for the next provincial election. Those so-called 'value voters' that you label may not hold the NDP back, which may end having Burnaby wake up the next morning to not one but four NDP MLA's after the next provincial election.
Be here when it happens.
"Wait for the next provincial election. Those so-called 'value voters' that you label may not hold the NDP back, which may end having Burnaby wake up the next morning to not one but four NDP MLA's after the next provincial election."
Haha, actually, we never figured TB was going to amount to anything, most of us, who wanted change, wanted Lee Rankin out just as much. But he is history now and it is time to look forward. We have gotten rid of people we do not need and it is time to look ahead to the having Richard Lee re-elected. I
Personally would like to see Harry and Richard both defend their seat. As I said, taking Southern Burnaby away, BCA would have collapsed. Ronald Leung came 1% away from defeating the NDP incumbent. So all this supposition about how easily Harry will be defeated continues to be nothing more than some wishful thinking. There has been no strong evidence that BCNDP could have even shaken Harry and Richard's bases. In Northern Burnaby, the socialists were 1% away from being defeated in federal election and council election as I already indicated would collapse BCA if not for Southern Burnaby.
I will certaily wait to see Carole James trying to flip these two ridings to become the premier because if she does, it will be hers. But, the reality is the voters simply are not there. I applaud BCNDP's optimism, but such optimism like their party's socialist ideals will be very hard for such to become reality.
"Haha, actually, we never figured TB was going to amount to anything, most of us, who wanted change, wanted Lee Rankin out just as much. But he is history now and it is time to look forward. We have gotten rid of people we do not need and it is time to look ahead to the having Richard Lee re-elected. I "
The NDP is looking ahead to getting Richard defeated.
"Personally would like to see Harry and Richard both defend their seat."
Harry hasn't had to. Up to now.
"As I said, taking Southern Burnaby away, BCA would have collapsed. "
Not exactly. The BCA did well in North Burnaby.
"Ronald Leung came 1% away from defeating the NDP incumbent. So all this supposition about how easily Harry will be defeated continues to be nothing more than some wishful thinking. "
Wrong. Ronald Leung may have come within reach, but the fact remains he was still defeated.
"
There has been no strong evidence that BCNDP could have even shaken Harry and Richard's bases."
There will be. Wait for it.
"In Northern Burnaby, the socialists were 1% away from being defeated in federal election and council election as I already indicated would collapse BCA if not for Southern Burnaby. "
Not really comparable. The BCA did well in North Burnaby.
"I will certaily wait to see Carole James trying to flip these two ridings to become the premier because if she does, it will be hers. But, the reality is the voters simply are not there."
The reality is that you're too complacement. That's not a good position to be in.
I applaud BCNDP's optimism, but such optimism like their party's socialist ideals will be very hard for such to become reality.
Wouldn't bet your ass on that one.
The NDP will be working very hard on defeating Richard and Harry.
If Gordon Campbell is not something the voters want, the MLAs will be defeated.
North Burnaby has been NDP a lot longer than it hasn't been NDP.
The NDP will want both seats in North Burnaby and will work very hard to get those.
Be there when they do.
The continued insipid and blatantly false ad hominen attacks against Garth Evans are an indicator that the NDP still sees him as a threat.
Either that, or Lee Rankin is already starting on his 2011 mayoral campaign by slamming his chief rival, again.
Rankin truly is the greatest leader in Burnaby's centre-right political scene since Brian Bonney!!
The continued insipid and blatantly false ad hominen attacks against Garth Evans are an indicator that the NDP still sees him as a threat.
No they don't. Garth isn't running provincially.
Either that, or Lee Rankin is already starting on his 2011 mayoral campaign by slamming his chief rival, again.
Lee is going to have to go through alot of legal work before the next election comes around.
Rankin truly is the greatest leader in Burnaby's centre-right political scene since Brian Bonney!!
Yeah right. Tells us alot about quality doesn't it.
Bonney couldn't lead a thirsty horse to water.
The guy is a disaster in politics.
Is he a disaster waiting to happen in politics?
No.
he's already been a disaster in politics.
Garth Evans a threat? A cabbage would be more of a threat and has more of a brain than Garth Evans. Evans was just a power hungry cretin who got what he deserved. And why did none of the three MLAs ever make cabinet? Let me guess...because their brilliance and great abilities went undetected.
All this slobbering over Richard T. Lee...I guess the blogger got tired of slobbering over Patti Sahota.
Yeah..the guy that was panting over Patti Sahota in his parent's basement...I guess he did a little too much stick-handling and wore out his stick...now he's after R.T. Lee.
R.T. Lee is spoken for.
He's also "AC" not "DC" so the
guy that was panting over Patti Sahota and now supposedly after R.T. Lee is in for a big disappointment.
"And why did none of the three MLAs ever make cabinet? Let me guess...because their brilliance and great abilities went undetected."
Well for two of them John and Harry, their brillance and great abilities were indeed detected.
Thing was, there wasn't much there to make use of.
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