Saturday, October 25, 2008

The bigger problem

If it's election season there must be problems in TEAM Burnaby. This time it's Stanley Jung quitting because he has come out in favour of taxing people. It is also regular Burnaby office seeker Gary Eyre suing the group over unpaid debts.

On the other hand, the BCA is having its own problems with James Wang, a choice in education advocate. Wang was the only BCA member not endorsed recently by the New Westminster and District Labour Council. Wang is vice president of Canadian Overseas Holdings, which runs Pattison High School. Pattison High is a private Vancouver school catering to the needs of ESL students. Earlier this year Ron Burton condemned Wang's private education ties.

Could the missing endorsement hurt BCA unity when people split their school board vote? Does the lawsuit or the candidate quitting matter to TEAM? How does this impact the Independent Voices?

35 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn't affect Independent Voices.

Gary Eyre has run before, but he's not the only one who has run multiple times.

If there's a promise to repay the loan and it wasn't done, why not sue to get the money back if all avenues have ended.

As far as taxing people, if it within the limitations of inflation most taxpayers would not have a problem with it, since basic economics comes into play, i.e. costs do go up, and where does the money come from?

You either cut back on services, or you retain them and adjust your taxation.

As for Wang, I doubt most voters would bother with a non endorsement from the New Westminster District and Labour Council.

The far more severe problems exist with Team Burnaby than they do with the BCA and their candidate.

A political organization getting sued because of unfullfilled obligations is serious business.

10/25/2008 10:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A political organization getting sued because of unfullfilled obligations is serious business."

Oh Really. Give it a rest. Anyone can file a small claims action knowing it will not come to court for many months. If Gary really has any claim let him show it to the Bby Now. Is there any doubt he filed the claim purely to try to discredit TB. I seriously doubt the organization owes him a penny.

10/25/2008 10:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One has to wonder why problems and dissention seem to follow Lee Rankin like flies around .... Is it only a coincidence that ever since Team Burnaby appeared on the civic landscape, they've gone through candidates like most folks go through socks ... every election ... another brand new slate of no names. Why doesn't anyone want to stick around with Rankin and Team Burnaby for the long haul? My guess would be a VERY serious lack of committment from almost anyone they are able to suck ... err I mean recruit.

10/26/2008 12:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like the BCA has a problem attacting and keeping entrepreneurial Asian candidates.

Might be a roadblock for them judging from the federal results.

10/26/2008 1:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Asians and entreprenurialship are not qualifiers for civic office.

10/26/2008 11:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh Really. Give it a rest. Anyone can file a small claims action knowing it will not come to court for many months. If Gary really has any claim let him show it to the Bby Now. Is there any doubt he filed the claim purely to try to discredit TB. I seriously doubt the organization owes him a penny.

You might be wrong there. If there's an obligation for return of candidate loans to the group, by the campaign of the group then there is a requirement to do so.

In other words if you lend $1100 to the group with their promise to repay it back in full, and doesn't
then what?

In fact it may be that same agreement that all candidates signed that also obliged them to ahere to Team Burnaby policies during the 2005 election.


Eyre does not have to prove anything nor show his claim to the Burnaby Now.

He only has to show proof and his claim to the judge at the bench, not the reporter at the front counter at the Burnaby Now.

10/26/2008 2:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as a supplementary filing a Small Claims in court is not playing around. Our company filed many and the recovery of funds on each of those was recovered quickly.

Remember if the judgement is in favour of Eyre, the group is then
compelled to repay back within a specified time. If they don't without just cause, it's contempt of court, which is far more serious.

Id' say to their supporters, don't make it any worse for Team Burnaby than it is now.

Repay back the damb money.

10/26/2008 2:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is the media going to get onto bigger issues; like how come Begin has listed his place of residence as Burnaby? Doesn't everyone knows his real "residence" is in South Delta. Like everything else about Begin, he's as phoney as a three dollar bill.

10/26/2008 2:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I expect some BCA supporters will not vote for Wang. However the BCA problem is nothing compared to the TEAM Burnaby issues. 4 out of 5 elected people left the group. Now a candidate has left. I am just waiting to see what will happen next.

10/26/2008 6:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hurt BCA unity? Has our master blogger gone mad? There is no "BCA unity". If it Mayor Corrigan or perish. Not even our finance committee dare saying anything to lack of budget control. Labour Council and Ron Burton, chair in waiting, are acting accordingly。 But I have to say James Wang does not have to sit with TB look how far Lee Rankin went (also shows how badly TB needs a fix). Talk about BCA making their own enemies. One vote against Ron Burton making it to the chair.

As for TB. Gary Eyre and others are certainly not the only ones read to see it go down in flames. We should see where they should shall they become extinct from the city hall. I say take whatever you can and run.

10/26/2008 6:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

News for you. Team Burnaby is already extinct from city hall.

Lee Rankin at city hall because of Lee Rankin. Team Burnaby is just two words on a T shirt, nothing more.

10/26/2008 6:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do agree. I think it is the secret pleasure of everyone to see TB's members into extinction, as much as I pity them. I would imagine typical voters will not want to institute a pure BCA empire at the city hall thus I would say that the IV's three wise men should be elected into the city hall to act as a faithful opposition. And I see independents elect the two Taiwanese councilors from BCA into city hall, who I hope will vote more in line the people that elect them. 

And with the mayor’s family officially wearing NDP badges, he should know the consequence. And if he does indeed lose, it will be because of his wife, for better or for worse.  But his reign over the cityhall will be a lot more delicate and I can certainly anti-mayor blocks forming if the independents decide to vote away from BCA inner circle candidates.

10/26/2008 11:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about sabotage?
Both sides sending Trojan Horses into the other, and both doing their job. That's the real problem in Burnaby.

The Labour Council problem shows a lack of vetting on the BCA side, meansing Ron Burton showed more leadership than Derek Corrigan. (Kudos for beating back the attacks, Ron.)

Judging from the comments made by Jung, it is clear that he is an NDP supporter, and his departure from Team shows that the party has no intention of being non-partisan.

Horrid.

10/27/2008 9:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BCA, as I hope people here already know, is NOT a non-partisan organization. Mayor Corrigan is where he is now because of NDP labours, and if he is to go, it will also be because of NDP labours.

But I will have to agree with you. Looking at the candidacy from BCA's part. It appears to have a lot more independents than before and with the labour council unable to endorse a full slate, it will be interesting to see if the independents in the city can force Mayor Corrigan to move to the centre by electing more independent BCA councilors. For example, in 2011, BCA may see its own internal battle as Dan Johnson takes on a more independent mayoral candidate, someone like Richard Chang if elected, who I can certainly see acting more independently on the council. I will not be shocked to see incumbent BCA councilors defeated under the hand of the independents.

As for TB, I would say nothing more needs to be said. TB had its own chance being non-partisan, but with Lee Rankin, a former NDP that turned on Derek Corrigan, leading the party, it could never happen. The independents, like Stanley Jung, will desert them in droves.

10/27/2008 2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan Johnson as a possible mayor candidate?
What did he do to deserve that????

10/27/2008 3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Too late for that so why even bother with it?

He's set to run as a Council candidate, there's no changing of electoral positions after the close of nominations.

10/27/2008 4:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Judging from the comments made by Jung, it is clear that he is an NDP supporter, and his departure from Team shows that the party has no intention of being non-partisan.


What did Jung say that makes him being an NDP supporter? Did he say he was?

10/27/2008 4:47 PM  
Anonymous NoBigotsHere said...

Whoever left the comment about Asians should be ashamed of themselves!

I have left many comments here over the years and have NEVER seen this before.

The blog moderator should remove this immediately!

10/28/2008 12:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is very true. Some time ago I was also calling for removal of several racists posts when people were commenting on my choice of mayor, Patti Sahota. Nothing seems to have been done.

I think the only thing we can do is to find the "Obama of Burnaby". I am still hoping to see Richard Lee taking a shot at the mayoral seat in 2011.

10/28/2008 6:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong on both counts.

Elections are based on who can best provide for the city, not attributable specifically to a person's ethnic background or what they can do in business.

The most important aspect for anyone to use in selecting candidates is what that candidate intends to do for the citizens of Burnaby.

To vote on the sole basis of preferring a candidate's ethnic background is just being silly.

In other words it doesn't matter if a person is Chinese, Taiwanese, Brazillian or Greek. What counts is
what that person can prove to the electorate that he or she can do great things for the city and citizens.

Why would there be a need to find a supposedly "Obama of Burnaby"?

So it is now Richard Lee and not Patti Sahota is it?

10/28/2008 7:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cut the racist card garbage
There is nothing racist about saying a candidate or party has not done a good job attracting certain groups whether identified by race or colour.

As is a candidate not racist if he or she says they need to increase their Asian, South Asian, teenager, black, white, purple or seniors popularity.

Or CNN reporting that polls show 95% of blacks will vote for Obama not a racist comment.

Give your head a shake buddy.

10/28/2008 9:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you give your head a shake? Might loosen up the built up
unburned carbon in the cylinders.

What was said was it does not matter to the average voter what a person's ethnic background is.

What matters most is what the candidate intends to do for the good of the city.

That should be the primary reason for choosing a candiddate, not his or her background.

For example, I and many voters do not pay attention to the ethnic background of the candidates I vote for. I an many voters pay attention to what the candidate stands for.

If a person runs on the sole purpose of representing a special interest group, that is not going to help the bigger picture.


The emphasis on one's ethnic background is getting a little silly.

After all, we are all Canadians by citizenship, and citizens of Burnaby by where we live.

10/28/2008 10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's interesting questions:

Who would be a better candidate amongst the so-called "Asian" candidates.

One from Taiwan, or one from Hong Kong?

and why would they be any better than those who are not from Taiwan or from Hong Kong?

Curiously, why no mention of Indo-Cdn. candidates in this silly chain of argument?

Anna Terrana is ethnic Italian. No mention of her either.

10/28/2008 10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's interesting questions:

Who would be a better candidate amongst the so-called "Asian" candidates.

One from Taiwan, or one from Hong Kong?

and why would they be any better than those who are not from Taiwan or from Hong Kong?

Curiously, why no mention of Indo-Cdn. candidates in this silly chain of argument?

Anna Terrana is ethnic Italian. No mention of her either.

10/28/2008 10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anna Terrana is ethnic Italian. No mention of her either.
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I think it's because after a few generations ethnicity is less and less a factor. Asians by and large do not have the amount of generations that Italians have under their belt yet. In 20-25 years they will be in the same position.

10/28/2008 1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No its more of a few who want to cling to their ethnic background and not much else in terms of the candidate.

Chinese Asians (mostly those from Hong Kong and areas surrounding have been in British Columbia as a distinct group for much longer than Italians.

10/28/2008 2:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is correct. No one mentioned about how Richard Lee won his election. He took on one of incumbent BCA city councilors who tried to motivate the entire Italian community in the city to vote against Richard Lee, and guess what...he lost. That is public knowledge and to talk about using racial identity to attract the votes. NDP certainly does that well, so well that they get to force our mayor, who unfortunately does not fit their diversity quota, right out of the the MLA race. We all know by now how well our mayor has taken it. With the racist comments made on this board, it is obvious that race will continue to be a factor. And I certainly think a Chinese Canadian elected as the "Obama of Burnaby" will help boost the profiles of the local Chinese Canadian community just like how Obama has motivated the black community.

10/28/2008 5:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would there be a need for a boost the profile of the local Chinese Community?

They use the fire department, walk the dog in the park, and swim in the rec centre, pay the civic taxes, get the garbage picked up, and use city streets like everyone else.

There's no need for a "Obama of Burnaby".

There is a need for council members to pay attention to the needs of the city as a whole, not focusing on the alleged "needs" of
one ethnic or special interest group over anyone else.

10/28/2008 5:44 PM  
Anonymous ObamaRama said...

Robert Burnaby, where are you when we need you?
I'm not here you see, wont be associated with this motley crew.

We need diversity, what can we do?
All we get is mediocrity, boo ho ho!\

10/28/2008 10:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need diversity, what can we do?

There was already diversity in opinions at Council.

Re-elect them all, and you'll get the same thing, which is good.

10/29/2008 9:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We need diversity, what can we do?

There was already diversity in opinions at Council."

What kind of diversity?
The kind of diversity with 7 OLD WHITE MEN with the youngest councilor being a socialist girl soldier who claims BCA is about to become the longest lasting socialist dynasty in Canada?

I say no.

Rather, we need diversity in all front. No matter it is to vote more in line according to the public wills rather than standing solid behind the lack of budget control on orders from above, no matter it is to elect someone who can lead Burnaby in transition from an NDP dominated city council, or it is to elect someone like Richard Lee who will actually represent the population.

That is why I call for people to vote across party lines and vote for independents. Independents who will choose the public will over party solidarity. And with Bill Siksay skin away from defeat, the trend points to a victory for independents. While Mayor Corrigan probably wont be defeated, his next term simply wont be a cakewalk.

10/29/2008 2:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll be voting for women on city council.
And my decision will be based on whether they wear pumps or heels. (And I like hair-buns, too!)

10/29/2008 4:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Makes as much sense as voting for a person just solely because he or she is a part of one ethnic group.

But there's a good point on that.

There's too many boys and not enough girls on Council.

10/29/2008 4:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well...there's Gary and Colleen...that's two.

10/29/2008 7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well...there's Gary and Colleen...that's two.



Guess that leaves you out, unless
you did have that operation to make you anatomically correct for
being a boy.

Your brain obviously didn't get the work it needed.

10/30/2008 4:43 PM  

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