Sunday, November 02, 2008

Don't get no respect

TEAM Burnaby cannot catch a break.

They have been through numerous campaign managers. They have had Stanley Jung quit on them and then withdraw entirely. The greatest slight, however, may be the Vancouver Sun saying Derek Corrigan has a cake-walk back to the mayor's chair.

In an article profiling four cities, the Sun groups Mayor Corrigan with two North Vancouver mayors who are being acclaimed and Richmond's Malcolm Brodie who has two fringe upstarts to defeat. Andrew Chisholm may be the mayoral candidate of a dysfunctional political slate and have run a hopeless council campaign in 2005 but he is not to be entirely discounted. Chisholm has made some valid arguments on crime during the campaign and has learned much about running for office since his 2005 council run.

The main point against Chisholm is TEAM. A sixteen-person slate is a challenge on its own. TEAM is more than just a challenge. A candidate dropping from the slate, several campaign manager changes, a lawsuit from a past candidate, and no success in finding a campaign theme have hurt TEAM but Chisholm being brave enough to run as an independent and only winning a handful of votes last time is not the reason Derek Corrigan is headed back into office.

32 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

TEAM should be ashamed of themselves in using the Conservative approach of fear mongering to the general (especially Asian) public. Crime is NOT up in Burnaby (see the stats and ask the RCMP), taxes are NOT high, compared to other City's in GVRD and the School District is NOT wasting resources and IS doing an admirable job ... as noted in their recent Provicial (yes ... Liberal) accreditation.

To put it bluntly ... TEAM Burnaby is spreading lies and false information ... because that's all they can do. The City of Burnaby has been running a very efficient operation under the BCA majority for years ... without having to kiss the butt of Gordon Campbell and the BC Liberals. I say, keep it up ... we don't need any Campbell "kiss asses" running our City.

11/02/2008 10:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UUUmmmm, I don't think you have to worry because the BC Liberals are not supporting TEAM Burnaby and Team Burnaby do not support the BC Liberals. So you should support Team Burnaby if you feel the way you do.

Team Burnaby is a one man and one woman show with only family and family friends running the campaign which is why they have gone through more campaign managers than Madonna has had husbands.

11/02/2008 11:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any campaign that goes through many campaign managers is in serious trouble.

Team Burnaby was doomed from the start despite the blindly loyal commentary from a few earlier this year.

It has always been pretty much run by Lee Rankin and his minions.

and wasn't it a few in here that said earlier this year that the local BC Liberals should help Team Burnaby?

As much as one doesn't like Corrgian's attitude, one of the previous posters does have it right.

Burnaby's financial picture is not too shabby. There has not been huge tax increases as there has been in other places in Metro Vcr.

If Chisholm was really dedicated to Team Burnaby why did he not run for them in 2005?

Totally disgusted with Team Burnaby.

Team Burnaby has never worked properly since it was originally started.

From 2007, it was a disaster waiting to happen.

11/03/2008 5:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Team Burnaby could have been something great. As much as I wanted to see a change of government, it just simly cannot be. When Raymond Leung and Lee Rankin decided to run the whole campaign into the ground, there had been no hope from the very beginning.

I however, do see talents from the team and have decided to support several of them. IV's success over TB has already been foreseen. I however am already seeing a more independently minded council forming. The focal point will be how successful BCA can elected their own incumbents, I suspect not all of them will be re-elected..

11/03/2008 5:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IV should probably do well as the 2 candidates already in office have known names. Not sure about the third member but Evans and Begin have been known names in Burnaby for years.

11/03/2008 10:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Andrew Chisholm has been a very credible mayoral candidate and will be even better in three years.

11/03/2008 10:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chisholm has alot to be desired as a mayor candidate.

Since the mayor candidate is the de facto "leader", he hasn't shown any leadership in Team Burnaby.

Vote for no mayor candidate or hold your nose and vote Corrigan.

11/03/2008 10:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Andrew Chisholm has been a very credible mayoral candidate and will be even better in three years."
I thought anonymous means everyone is trying to stay in secrecy, that is way too blunt because we all know who is the only person who can say that without his face turning red. If anything, this will be just about make Andrew a joke, and I dont want to say what that will make the party that voted for Andrew as their mayor/de facto leader, because that wont be too nice. My suggestion is to vote for independent TB candidates who once elected will continue working with IV and may be willing to run joint slate with IV in 2011. Any name that has been mentioned on this blog for more than 10 times is usually a bad sign for TB, e.g. Lee Rankin. It is time for the city council to do their duties, even a 12 year old can vote with the mayor whenever he was called upon to do so. Mayor Corrigan will be re-elected, but it is up to us the voters to make sure his deeds will not go unchecked in the following years.

11/03/2008 2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only liars and fear-mongerers are the BCA who spread the outrageous lie that their opponents will shut down libraries and rec centres. And red-faced Corrigan told voters that homeless shelters are flophouses for crack addicts, don't forget.

11/03/2008 3:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IV is made up of Garth Evans who got elected in 2005 thanks to TB and turned around and stabbed the party in the back. He is an airhead and an egomaniac who rode on TB back like Richard A.Y. Lee and Helen Chang to get elected and then spit on the organization. Ditto with Begin who was defeated in 02 and then scurried over to TB to get himself elected -- why doesn't he retire to Delta where he really lives? Imagine pretending to live in Burnaby just to pick up an easy paycheque.

11/03/2008 3:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ditto with Begin who was defeated in 02 and then scurried over to TB to get himself elected -- why doesn't he retire to Delta where he really lives? Imagine pretending to live in Burnaby just to pick up an easy paycheque.
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He couldnt get elected in Delta so what do you expect him to do.

11/03/2008 3:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're right...Begin's undisguised love for the NDP wouldn't play as well in Delta where he lives.

11/03/2008 3:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems to me that Andrew Chisholm is one of 15 TEAM Burnaby candidates working together...the party has some policies that are different from the BCA who are really nothing more than the puppets for their trade union puppet masters.
And IV...what's their platform? Vote for me cuz I look good in the mirror?
Pathetic.

11/03/2008 3:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ditto with Begin who was defeated in 02 and then scurried over to TB to get himself elected -- why doesn't he retire to Delta where he really lives? Imagine pretending to live in Burnaby just to pick up an easy paycheque

Wrong on several points.

Begin does indeed live in Burnaby, his residence is listed in both the phone book and the residence as noted on his registration as a candidate.

He does have alot of community in Burnaby which is currently ongoing.

Second, it was agreed to by both the BVNPA and the old Team Burnaby to join forces for the 2005 election campaign.

It was noted by both the BVNPA and Team Burnaby at the time (pre-2005) that two civic parties chasing after the same vote was not going to work.

Unless you're such an idiot with nothing inside the helmet (which you seem to be) you would know that.

The BVNPA name was kept by others
but was never brought forward to
enact as a civic elector organisation to nominate candidates.

People do get defeated from time to time. cip, it was the same election when not one Team Burnaby candidate was elected.

It was also interesting that Lee Rankin went from NDP to independent to Team Burnaby.

A bit of driftwood in Deer Lake there.

11/03/2008 5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems to me that Andrew Chisholm is one of 15 TEAM Burnaby candidates working together...the party has some policies that are different from the BCA who are really nothing more than the puppets for their trade union puppet masters.

Obviously isn't working since there has been three campaign managers, one lasted only 5 days.

There isn't a huge crime rate as Team Burnaby leads it to be, and that no tax policy has a lot to be questioned. For example if civic costs go up 2% annually and no additional taxation available for covering such additional service costs, where does the money come from? More civic fees? Not likely.
Cut backs on non essential services? Propably. No additional services that the people want?


And IV...what's their platform? Vote for me cuz I look good in the mirror?
Pathetic.

Not really since they have their own initiatives and goals for Burnaby, not dictated to by some quasi-leader read micromanager named Lee Rankin.

In case you forgot, independent candidates exist in many jursidictions (Surrey, Langley, Coquitlam, North Vancouver, West Vancouver, etc. etc.)

The only thing that is pathetic in Burnaby politics is Team Burnaby.

It is badly managed, poor leadership from the mayoralty candidate and a Board of Directors who would be better suited to running a neigbourhood garage sale.

11/03/2008 5:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poor leadership from Chisholm???
What a laugh.
Chisholm is the leader because Rankin refused to take the leadership role.

By filling the gap, Chisholm has shown more leadership than any of the other Team players such as Raymond Leung or Anna Terrana, both of whom were asked to be the mayoral candidate, according to this blog.

If Chisholm has problems, you won't learn what those problems are by reading this blog. And WHATEVER problems Chisholm has, they do not include a lack of leadership skills. That sorry mantle belongs to others.

11/05/2008 12:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poor leadership from Chisholm???
What a laugh.
Chisholm is the leader because Rankin refused to take the leadership role.

Sure. Going through three campaign managers is not leadership. It's a sign of severe problems in campaign management.


By filling the gap, Chisholm has shown more leadership than any of the other Team players such as Raymond Leung or Anna Terrana, both of whom were asked to be the mayoral candidate, according to this blog.

This blog has no say in whether any of them should be mayor. It's no different than a letter writer to the NewsLeader asking them to be the mayoral candidate.

The decision was with the membership.


If Chisholm has problems, you won't learn what those problems are by reading this blog.

No need. The problems are easily seen without this blog being in existence.



And WHATEVER problems Chisholm has, they do not include a lack of leadership skills. That sorry mantle belongs to others.

who hopefully will not make it to council.

Chisholm has no experience on council. I'd rather vote for someone who has had one or two terms on council than one who figures he or she can run the city being straight off the street.

11/05/2008 2:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is ugly. What are people take on each other because of a guy who is not going to get elected. If this is the way TB want to bet their entire political capital on him, that is fine with me. With Lee Rankin still running, TB is destined to be doomed. I did however support several of those who I believe will be willing to work with other opposition members to vote against the mayor. For those who are in the hopeless quest for power, I have nothing to say for them.

11/05/2008 6:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With Lee Rankin and his core group of supporters controlling Team Burnaby, TB is doomed.

A few low quality candidates which does not really represent the total population matrix of Burnaby, just a majority from one certain ethnic group.

A Councillor who did run for the NDP for far longer than he has been
running for Team Burnaby.

A former President who can't get his facts straight when it comes to candidates agreeing to campaign policy and decides to go ahead and sanction the person who got the second highest votes for Team Burnaby in the last section.

and a former candidate who hasn't received money owed to him and is now suing to get it back.

and this party's campaign is on its third campaign manager (the second just 10 days).

and the people of Burnaby should vote for a majority to have this party run the city's affairs?

Get real. Vote Corrigan or ignore the mayor's vote entirely.

For council, vote for a balance of BCA and independents.

Team Burnaby has not earned a vote.

11/05/2008 6:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seven more days before a new council will be elected, or not so new. It seems that BCA truly want Lee Rankin and I too expect him to be gone. As for Andrew's piece on the paper, it lacks so much credibility that people have to remind themselves who he is again.

For those who havent voted yet, given that this will be a high-turnout election given that papers reporting that the advance poll had the most number of people voting in history, it is going to work against BCA. This is going to be truly interesting. Given that TB's chairman was a Chinese already, it will not surprise me to see the survivors, and subsequent leaders of TB will be purely Chinese, and the independents from BCA that will be elected may too be only Chinese. If Canada has learned anything from Obama's victory, that is if you believe that anything can happen, then anything can happen. I will not be surprised to a Chinese dominated city council and Burnaby will have finally have its first ever Chinese Mayor in history, thanks to Obama. And this kind of change, is the kind of change we can believe in.

11/08/2008 12:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quite a bit of silly statements here:

Let's begin:

"Given that TB's chairman was a Chinese already, it will not surprise me to see the survivors, and subsequent leaders of TB will be purely Chinese, and the independents from BCA that will be elected may too be only Chinese. "


So why would this be more important than let's say someone who is Indo-Canadian for example?


If Canada has learned anything from Obama's victory, that is if you believe that anything can happen, then anything can happen.

Partially true, but the United States voted for Obama for many reasons, one of which is he is highly charismatic and shows leadership something that is lacking big time in that so called Chairman of Team Burnaby.



I will not be surprised to a Chinese dominated city council and Burnaby will have finally have its first ever Chinese Mayor in history, thanks to Obama.

Considering that Andrew Chisholm and Dererk Corrigan are both Caucaisan I doubt that is going to happen.

If in the future there is someone of Chinese descent who decides to run for Mayor, that person will have to obtain the support of many different people, not exclusively those who are of Chinese heritage.

"And this kind of change, is the kind of change we can believe in."

Who the hell is we?

Kind of reverse racism if you ask me. "Some day some of us will dominate council".

Kind of a stupid statment to make considering ethniticity doesn't have much merit when it comes to running a large city's administrative and government affairs.

What's next? The throw the hands and chairs that exist in Taiwanese legislatures?

11/08/2008 6:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe the racism spewed on this website...why are so many bothered that Asians who make up a large number of the taxpayers of this city are having a voice in city politics...this isn't Rhodesia...so only the white people's Independent Voice is good enough or the socialist Corrigan? How arrogant..how sad.

11/08/2008 11:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreed...some people wear white sheets...other spew out their anti-Asian sentiments on the good old boy Robert Burnaby website.

11/08/2008 11:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BCA, IV, TB. Is there really any difference? It's pretty hard to tell, judging from what's said in the papers. Might as well just go with the status quo.

I'd say Tod Fraser is an exception, since, judging by his little blurb, he seems to understands that densification is a positive thing for both the environment and economy.

I find it silly that so many candidates are shouting down densification on the basis of traffic congestion; especially IV, who propose widening arterials. The people of North Burnaby already showed how strongly opposed they were to widening Willingdon. Better transit service, bike lanes, and sidewalks is the key. Also, Burnaby needs to do a much better job of getting offices constructed in town centres besides Metrotown, so people can actually work where they live, and not just shop there.

11/08/2008 11:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If in the future there is someone of Chinese descent who decides to run for Mayor, that person will have to obtain the support of many different people, not exclusively those who are of Chinese heritage."

I never said they could elect themselves with the voters from their own demographics. What I am suggesting is that after white people ruling Burnaby city council for so many year, we will finally see possibly more than ever before in history Chinese city councilors in the city council. When Obama became the only black Senator in America, it was equally astounding on the national scale. Some like this poster may be panicking about Chinese ruling over Burnaby like how some whites in America considered not voting for Obama cuz he is not white, we have all seen the news. But he put away partisan difference and unite all factions

It however is worth noting that in America their Congress does form their own Latino caucus and African caucus. I believe the result this year will call for post-partisanship. And there probably wont be a Chinese caucus, I do expect all of them to become more independent.

"Kind of a stupid statement to make considering ethnicity doesn't have much merit when it comes to running a large city's administrative and government affairs."

Stupid? not so much. In America, it wouldnt matter if Obamaa had been white or not (or a women for the record) it is not going to affect how each department operates. If a Chinese mayor gets elected, it too will not matter how the city functions. What it will show is the acceptance for the people in this city to choose someone of a new ethnicity to rule the city. Only then can we feel the kind of change that Obama brought in, the kind of change that we can all believe in.

11/09/2008 1:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I never said they could elect themselves with the voters from their own demographics. What I am suggesting is that after white people ruling Burnaby city council for so many year, we will finally see possibly more than ever before in history Chinese city councilors in the city council.""


Bit of racism there. It doesn't
matter what colour a person is when it comes to running city affairs.

I would vote for a person on the basis of what he or she would want to do for the city and everyone, not specifically if he or she is from one ethnic group.

"When Obama became the only black Senator in America, it was equally astounding on the national scale."

You have to think in terms of the context of the United States. In Canada there has been many people from different ethnic groups in the House of Commons and the Senate.


Some like this poster may be panicking about Chinese ruling over Burnaby like how some whites in America considered not voting for Obama cuz he is not white,

Kind of a stupid statement.



we have all seen the news. But he put away partisan difference and unite all factions

It however is worth noting that in America their Congress does form their own Latino caucus and African caucus.

If it works in the United States, but such a thing would not work too well here since Canadian regard visible minorities as far more equal than do Americans with the visible miniorities amongst their population.



I believe the result this year will call for post-partisanship. And there probably wont be a Chinese caucus, I do expect all of them to become more independent.

That's a bit strange. Independent from what? The engagement of being bound to an 'agreement' in terms of accepting policy?

"Kind of a stupid statement to make considering ethnicity doesn't have much merit when it comes to running a large city's administrative and government affairs."

Stupid? not so much. In America, it wouldnt matter if Obamaa had been white or not (or a women for the record) it is not going to affect how each department operates.

Exactly so why bother with it here.

Obama is not really part of the Canadian political environment.


If a Chinese mayor gets elected, it too will not matter how the city functions. What it will show is the acceptance for the people in this city to choose someone of a new ethnicity to rule the city.

Again, most people wouldn't be bothered as to ethnicity. It's more of what the person is about inisde rather than what he is outside.



Only then can we feel the kind of change that Obama brought in, the kind of change that we can all believe in.

Again, a stupid statement since you're equating Obama to Canada (which is far different than the United States).

and who is "we"?

Vote for the person on the basis of what he is all about, not on the basis whether he is black, brown or yellow or white.

11/09/2008 5:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems to me that there's as much racism coming out of the pro-Asian forces as there is from the anti-Team forces.

And those two groups are not mutually exclusive - despite what many of the partisans want to believe.

There is good and bad in every political party. Anyone who believes or states otherwise is just a partisan fool, and does not deserve to be elected.

11/10/2008 10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agree there. No party has a 100% lock on any ethnic group. If any party thinks they do and can convince an ethnic group they are they only ones to represent their interest, they are fooling themselves big time. The federal Liberals used to do that, but not much any more, since the Conservatives and NDP all have people from visible minorities as
representatives.


The key here is:

Elect a smart person who wants to do alot for the city. it doesn't matter if that person is Asian or not.

And speaking of which Indo-Canadians are Asians too. Sav Dhaliwal is Indo-Canadian and he is Asian. As are Koreans, Thais and Persians (Parvin Chami is Persian so she is also Asian).

When you get down to it, even Patti Sahota is of Asian heritage.

Let's cut the "Asian Mayor is a good thing to work towards" crap, and just try to find a few good poeple who can put together a political civic group that can actually work and people would want to join and build.

It really doesn't matter what visible minority the candidates are. The most important thing is what they will do once elected for everyone, including those who are German, Spanish, Australian, Kiwi,
American, Francophone, English, Scottish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Bengali, Congoese, South African, Bulgarian, Swedish, Filipino, Norwegian, Russian, Punjabi, Hindu, Italian, Estonian,
Kenyan, Egyptian, Israeli, Iraqi,
Belgian..

Mexican, Brazillian, Fijian,

11/10/2008 4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People like you are exactly the reasons that America elected Obama, which to you being black does not matter. But the world have to beg to differ. Is Burnaby ready for an Asian Mayor? Yes, NDP has a large number of Asian Canadian followers, but can people explain to me why none of these of people has every held the seat for mayor in the past twenty years when they continued to vote in Caucasian mayors. According to your rationale, the best of the NDP bunch just happened to be Corrigan. It is not racist to praise Obama as the first black president of America and we should not be ashamed to want a first Chinese mayor of Burnaby. Obama becoming the president in America has changed the people, we need our own Obama elected mayor, no matter how strong the Corrigan family is in the city. And I believe our own Obama will be here, sooner than many expected.

11/10/2008 6:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People like you are exactly the reasons that America elected Obama, which to you being black does not matter.

It doesn't. Many people voted for Obama (including obviously many Republican supporters), because of Obama's vision for the United States, not because he's black.

and that's the way it should be.



But the world have to beg to differ. Is Burnaby ready for an Asian Mayor? Yes, NDP has a large number of Asian Canadian followers, but can people explain to me why none of these of people has every held the seat for mayor in the past twenty years when they continued to vote in Caucasian mayors.

Probably because there hasn't been anyone of Asian descent or heritage that has been good enough to win the large apportion of support it takes to win the position.




According to your rationale, the best of the NDP bunch just happened to be Corrigan. It is not racist to praise Obama as the first black president of America and we should not be ashamed to want a first Chinese mayor of Burnaby.

Why is all of that important? Burnaby already has two Asian
MLA's. But they are MLA's because of who they are, not what they are.

Burnaby also has one gay MP. But again, so what?



Obama becoming the president in America has changed the people,

He has changed the people in the United States, not Canada.



we need our own Obama elected mayor, no matter how strong the Corrigan family is in the city.

Wrong we could use a person who is
much better than Corrigan, no matter what ethnic background that person is. It's not important to specifically elect an Asian person as mayor over let's say someone from Europe or South America who may be just as good or if not better.



And I believe our own Obama will be here, sooner than many expected

Hopefully by then this nonsense of "our own Obama" will disappear and the people of Burnaby will just elect someone on the basis of what that person wants to accomplish for Burnaby, rather than on ethnic origin alone.

11/10/2008 8:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is absurd.
The Asian mayor of Burnaby needs to get elected as a city councillor (or MLA) first.
Let's hope it's not our resident "reverse" racist blog commentator, eh?

11/11/2008 4:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly.

There is already a councillor of Asian background.

Sav Dahliwhal.

Raj Chouhan is of Asian background
as is Richard Lee.

There are three candidates of Asian background running for the BCA for council.

There are four candidates of Asian backgorund running for Team Burnaby for council.

There's two independents of Asian heritage running for council.

For a total of nine

Vote for one to put a person of Asian heritage on council.

In fact vote for any eight of them and you'd have a council of Asian heritage for Burnaby.

11/11/2008 6:31 PM  

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