Stay of execution
The decision about the controversial remand centre has been delayed by the province and has been farmed out to regional mayors.
After numerous public complaints, letters to the editor, and at least two major town hall meetings, the provincial government got the hint. Farming out bad decisions and delaying them until after the provincial election make for good politics and buck passing. Actions like these should help keep ridings such as Burnaby-Deer Lake in the Liberal column come the morning of May 13.
After numerous public complaints, letters to the editor, and at least two major town hall meetings, the provincial government got the hint. Farming out bad decisions and delaying them until after the provincial election make for good politics and buck passing. Actions like these should help keep ridings such as Burnaby-Deer Lake in the Liberal column come the morning of May 13.
posted by Robert Burnaby at 9:53 PM
26 Comments:
The opposite may happen. Nuraney did not handle this issue well at all, and it is that buck passing that gets voters mad at politicians.
The public will see this delay for what it is, a dumb move which could cost Nuraney his re-election.
Nuraney should have taken the lead and insisted publicly that the remand centre be moved to another location, such as the Big Bend area, but didn't.
People in Nuraney's riding will now be able to hold their nose and vote BC Liberal.
The electorate cannot risk having the NDP in power in this fragile economic climate. They screw up in good economic times. Just think what damage they will in today's economy.
Province wide not NDP, but it depends on how Nuraney now sells himself to the locals in Deer Lake.
He messed up the Remand Centre issue badly.
If he wins it won't be by a huge majority.
John Nuraney has looked awfully weak on the whole "jailhouse rock" issue. He was not exactly strong before then. He will go down to defeat.
Re Burnaby Edmonds, Lee is a pretty good candidate but I can't see him winning. When he loses he too will look like some sort of run-for-anything politician. What's next - another stab at a federal Liberal nominatiion?
He is already a run for anything politician.
Consider:
He first ran for eons for the BCA
as a councillor.
He left them and then ran as an independent.
He then decided to take a run at the federal Liberal nomination and lost.
Next, he decided to run for the BVNPA and won, the BVNPA was merged into Team Burnaby, so he was then a Team Burnaby Councillor
Ran in 2008 for Team Burnaby and lost.
"The electorate cannot risk having the NDP in power in this fragile economic climate."
Hmmmm. Highest child poverty rate in Canada. Highest cost of living. Lowest minimum wage. Growing gap between rich and poor. Growing crime. Forest dependent communities destroyed. Oh yeah, the NDP could make things a lot worse.
THE FOLLOWING GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION THREAD ON THIS TOPIC, IN RESPONSE TO THE MORONIC NDP IDEALOGUE WHO BLINDLY SAYS AS HE'S TOLD, LIKE A PUPPET ON A STRING: (as in, "N"o-mind, "D"umb, "P"uppet)
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After being away on vacation, Here's my reply to the NDP hack with the below comments:
To the guy that had that long winded tirade ending in "that's my two cents, thanks for listening"
Geezus does he have alot to learn.
-If the "knowledge" is coming from you, I doubt there's much to learn beyond your politically skewed views...
First there was no "prison" per se at any time at that location. There was a Detention Centre, but it was never a prison. it can be best stated as a low level secured facility, since it only housed high school age brats who figured they would test to see how tough they are by bothering the citizens with their dumbass antics. The only prison that existed was Oakalla. It closed in the late 1980's John Nuraney's residence rests on the former farmland surrounding the administration and medical building that was there.
-Incredible insight, Sherlock! You are truly a gift to this board ! Anyway, agreed; my use of the term "prison" was intended to be loose at best; a remand facility is not truly a "prison" in the Oakalla sense you describe either.
Second, the government can through expropiation of property place an institution where it wishes, thus overriding civic zoning. Even Corrigan himself admits the rezoning effort won't result in his desired outcome. It's all politics on his part.
-All I asked for is a reference to the legal authority, statute, etc. for this. Is that too much to ask from those who appear so knowledgeable about it. Evidently you don't know the authority either so we'll continue to share our ignorance. If someone can refer both Sherlock and I to the authority, please do.
Thirdly, there is alot of politics in this, but it is largely due to the fact that a few politicos in Victoria didn't do their homework. Was there community input sessions? Was this ever brought forward to the public beforehand, if so when?
-I agree with Sherlock on this point. I suppose the come back is, did the City do enough to demonstrate it's concern before now, such that some of these consultative steps might otherwise have been taken, for the benefit of Burnaby's residents. In any event, I concur with Sherlock's point that it was extremely poor strategy by the Libs. In contrast, I would point out the smart political timing & strategy on the part of Sherlock's friends of the left. But make no mistake that this is politics.
As far as accounting goes, there isn't much in institutions that can be compared to establishing a commerical building. Government facilities are there to provide service to the public, not profit.
-Really? Accounting's not important in public buildings or projects, compared to private endeavours? Anyone else here who's glad Sherlock isn't running anything to do with our tax dollars (hopefully). He's contending that once you remove the profit motive you can remove the accountability...
-Sherlock, I'm afraid you've just demoted yourself to "Watson"...
Foruth John didn't see the implications of this and has now within the past few days decided he wants it moved. Why didn't he advocate it being at the former Women's facility in the Big Bend at the beginning. The building complex(despite some idiot in here stating that somehow I believe the the building doesn't exist) is still there, unused and wouldn't need much upgrading.
-I agree with Watson in terms of the Nuraney inconsistencies. Read Watson's earlier posting (his own long-winded tirade which required an equally lengthy and breath-consuming retort) and you will find he is himself an expert in inconsistency. Apparently, he also happens an expert in prison facilities, folks. Slap up some fresh paint and new curtains and re-use the old women's prison? After a site selection process that chose Willingdon from over 50 other sites? Remember, this is coming from the guy that thinks accounting is unecessary in these circumstances... Hmm...
If comments like the "two center" and others are the quality of people who are in the BC Liberals hoping to get John re-elected, he is in big trouble.
-Who said I was a BC Liberal? I just don't like political hacks pretending to be talking facts when it's just propaganda is all. I don't like it any more from the Libs than from the NDP or anyone else... You're a perfect example of those who like to treat the average Joe like an ignoramus in order to get his vote.
And for two center - don't try to go after a political appointment. Your research is abysmal to say the least.
-Uh, who said I want a politial appointment? And I don't recall claiming to have done any huge amount of research.
Quite a few people here have a lot to learn about politics, and the NDP if they complete their goal of being strong once again, they are almost there, will certainly provide the environment for learning.
-It's starting to sound like you're the political zealot on this board. You must be just salivating at the prospect of this goal being achieved! Maybe it's you who are awaiting an appointment.
-I'm not sure the majority of the Province will agree with your NDP agenda, but I grant you that it will be a close race for sure.
The arrogance of the BC Liberal supporters in here is certainly reflective of that party and government.
-May I humbly suggest to you, that it is political hacks, ignorant of facts and either too lazy or too dumb to provide them to the board, who are arrogant.
-Don't treat us all like fools Watson. It is you who are arrogant. Average people, with the benefit of all the facts and information at their disposal, are capable of forming their own valid opinions and positions. We don't need the "Watsons" of the world to hit the smokescreen button of politics and propaganda posing as truth...
-Rather elementary, my dear Watson...
3/16/2009 1:44 PM
Anonymous said...
the two-cent guy makes a good point. i never hear any facts regarding the remand centre. i only hear stuff like men will escape and risk the safety of the elementary school children- that's so unrealistic and offensively underestimates my intelligence.
the citizens deserve to hear from experts and an opportunity to get independent objective information on the location of the prison and the politicians, of all stripes, should stay home.
3/23/2009 11:27 PM
Should have stayed out there on vacation.
Your responses are full of errors.
Let's start with this one:
Second, the government can through expropiation of property place an institution where it wishes, thus overriding civic zoning. Even Corrigan himself admits the rezoning effort won't result in his desired outcome. It's all politics on his part.
-All I asked for is a reference to the legal authority, statute, etc. for this. Is that too much to ask from those who appear so knowledgeable about it. Evidently you don't know the authority either so we'll continue to share our ignorance. If someone can refer both Sherlock and I to the authority, please do.
The authority dear boy rests with the Provincial government to make use of Crown Land, which in effect the land surrounding the Detention Centre and where the Remand Centre was originally supposed to be.
The provincial government through the Expropiation Act can and does expropiate land for the public good.
In essence the rezoning (and the City admits this) does not have the last say.
The rest of your commentary is just arrogant crap.
Since you have been away, the citizens have spoken and the remand centre may not nessesarily be at Canada Way and Willlingdon.
But John is certainly in trouble since he did not handle the issue as well as he should have.
and no, I am not NDP.
THE FOLLOWING GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION THREAD ON THIS TOPIC, IN RESPONSE TO THE MORONIC NDP IDEALOGUE WHO BLINDLY SAYS AS HE'S TOLD,
Boys is this guy a long winded tooter.
What happened bud? Too much franks and beans?
What is wrong with a basic suggestion that remand centers be located adjacent to court houses? Is this somehow a new concept? Burnaby used to have a courthouse but it was closed by John Nuraney and his Liberals. I don't recall John ever speaking up about its closure. Burnaby RCMP now have to take half a day or even a full day to appear as witnesses in other courthouses in Vancounver, Surrey or Coquitlam.
If the Liberals put back a courthouse in Burnaby I would be the first one to say we need a remand center somewhere in this city.
WITHOUT A COURTHOUSE I SAY MAYOR CORRIGAN HAS A POINT ABOUT THE REMAND CENTER.
What is wrong with a basic suggestion that remand centers be located adjacent to court houses?
Problem with that is that the nearest court house was 2 to 3 km away.
Is this somehow a new concept? Burnaby used to have a courthouse but it was closed by John Nuraney and his Liberals.
Correct. It was a dumb move then, a
and it is now.
I don't recall John ever speaking up about its closure.
Of course not. He never did and won't since it goes against the grain of the caucus. Same thing with those idiot NDPers not speaking up against the Fastcats.
Burnaby RCMP now have to take half a day or even a full day to appear as witnesses in other courthouses in Vancounver, Surrey or Coquitlam.
Very true. But if Mum and Dad were a bit more firm with Jonny or Janey then niether of them would be in front of a desk at a remand centre.
If the Liberals put back a courthouse in Burnaby I would be the first one to say we need a remand center somewhere in this city.
Provided that it is NOT at Canada Way and Willingdon. Put it in the Big Bend. The travel distance will be the same.
WITHOUT A COURTHOUSE I SAY MAYOR CORRIGAN HAS A POINT ABOUT THE REMAND CENTER.
No shit.
Hmmmm. Highest child poverty rate in Canada. Highest cost of living. Lowest minimum wage. Growing gap between rich and poor. Growing crime. Forest dependent communities destroyed. Oh yeah, the NDP could make things a lot worse.
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You bet they can.
They have in the past.
But balancing that out with Gordon Campbell's pledge not to sell BC Rail (he did anyway), torn up contracts, a drunk driving charge,
those silly so-called "Open Cabinet" events which were just PR
and let's review his opposition to government advertising when the NDP was in power, but goes ahead and does it when he is in power..
But granted the BC Liberals as government are a better choice over an NDP one. Well sort of.
The BC Liberals are abysmal when it comes to health care (and let's get back to their closing courts and not really doing anything about crime).
the liberals are worthy of criticism on many issues but i'm still voting for them b/c the ndp candidates are not yet capable of the responsibility of government. they have no candidates good enough to be ministers. and carole james is not premier material- not inspiring, and no past accomplishments- derek corrigan would be better.
why do the ndp have such recruitment problems? maybe if they moved away from big labour they would get better people? or maybe they need a better leader to inspire better people to run? whatever the reason, it's something important to work on.
can the ndp supporters let me know who their top 5 or 10 people are and why? i'm asking seriously not rhetorically. i would like to know so i can picture how their government would look like. thanks
Our friend Watson says this:
Watson: "The authority dear boy rests with the Provincial government to make use of Crown Land, which in effect the land surrounding the Detention Centre and where the Remand Centre was originally supposed to be."
-Huh? You speaketh in tongues Watson...is it Crown Land? What do you mean it was supposed to be?
Watson: "The provincial government through the Expropiation Act can and does expropiate land for the public good."
-Did you not just suggest it was (or supposed to be - whatever that means) "Crown Land" under Provincial authority? Why would the Crown expropriate land it already owns? This is the first I've heard of it potentially being expropriated. Expropriation forces government ownership, it doesn't regulate use of the land.
-There must be more to this. I'm guessing it's covered in the act governing municipal authority (the name of which escapes me, used to be the "Municipal Act" I think), since Municipal power ultimately derives from Provincial authority.
-If anyone knows please inform us. But please don't pretend to know and give us a lame guess and jibberish posing as knowledge, like Watson.
Watson: "In essence the rezoning (and the City admits this) does not have the last say."
- We already know that; it's elementary dear Watson. The question, (not that it's all that interesting anyway, judging by the responses here), was where this specifically comes from in terms of citing a statute reference. It would be nice if the media would explain this a little.
-I'm mainly curious because it would be interesting to know how likely and politically risky it would be to use this "override" type power. That might be the next chapter to this saga. It would also be fun to predict what the City can/would do in return...
"The rest of your commentary is just arrogant crap."
-I actually took an arrogant crap this morning after my latte. You should have seen it...
-Anyone here know if you can upload photos on this blog..?
Who the heck is Watson?
And why is this blog full of schizophrenics who ask and answer their own questions?
Because the long winded guy is nuts.
to the guy who said schizophrenics:
sorry to be offensive but youre really really dumb dude... lol
people are not asking and answering their own questions, they are pasting comments/questions from previous points and replying with their own answers/comments. It's as close as you can get to dialogue on a blog.
like this:
why is this blog full of schizophrenics who ask and answer their own questions?
--they're not.
--you are a stupid person
Re:
Hmmmm. Highest child poverty rate in Canada. Highest cost of living. Lowest minimum wage. Growing gap between rich and poor. Growing crime. Forest dependent communities destroyed. Oh yeah, the NDP could make things a lot worse.
--each of those dont impact me. i'm a middle class guy who goes to work, pays my taxes, and obeys the law. the libs protect me a lot more than the ndp will. i know this for a fact b/c i've seen it in the 1990s when the distribution company i worked for relocated to Calgary in 1998. i dont work for a government union so if the ndp win, basically i'm screwed again. ...a lot worse indeed.
Big deal. I've seen the Coastal Forest industry in the worse shape it's been in decades.
The NDP won't win the May election, but what will happen is that the BC Liberals will probably lose some of the seats they already have, which will mean a reduced majority, maybe even a minority government.
Would like to see a BC Liberal minority government. Would keep them on their toes and hopefully get rid of alot of their trademark arrogance, but would retain power
as opposed giving it to the socialists which is the last thing this province needs right now.
i just dont want socialists, jim sinclair, and the bctf in charge of my province when the economy is so fragile.
the bc rail thing is probably scaring them so that will help with the arrogance. but in any event, i dont elect people to be my friends so i dont think its a big deal to be an arrogant politician as long as you're managing things well.
Gordon Campbell hates you.
I don't think Burnaby voters are stupid enough to believe that all is suddenly well in the remand centre world.
Gordon Campbell hates Burnaby.
Gordon Campbell hates you.
Gordon Campbell hates Burnaby.
....? lol
According to an ad that's on the internet.
But forget these silly blogs.
If you really want to see something in Burnaby, move your ass and work for a BC Liberal candidate of choice.
Time wasted in this blog would be time more valued in working the phone canvass or getting that much needed excercise and going door to door.
The BC Liberals in Burnaby will not win by writing statements into a blog.
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