Jaynie, Don't Take Your Love to Lougheed?
Jaynie Clark will be taking on Harry Bloy in the provincial election in Burnaby-Lougheed.
NDPer Clark failed to win the Burnaby North nomination in the last election. Deputy speaker Harry Bloy of the BC Liberals is seeking his third term in Victoria.
NDPer Clark failed to win the Burnaby North nomination in the last election. Deputy speaker Harry Bloy of the BC Liberals is seeking his third term in Victoria.
posted by Robert Burnaby at 7:01 PM
57 Comments:
I had thought that the NDP would sweep the floor in Lougheed. After all, Bloy is completely useless. Yet the NDP, showing once again how absolutely brainless they truly are, have chosen their most useless candidate to run in this battleground riding. It'll be fun to see how things play out; neither candidate is credible, so who will voters fine less incredible? We have a race between an invisible Liberal whom no-one has ever seen do anything and a BC GEU staffer who is looking to represent GEU interests in Victoria. Either way, the people of Burnaby-Lougheed lose.
My choices are Harry Bloy or Jaynie Clark? I hope I don't accidentally throw up on my ballot.
SOmeone can't even get their fundamentals correct.
Harry Bloy is Deputy Chair, Committee of The Whole, he is NOT Deputy Speaker.
Deputy Speaker is Sindi Hawkins and Kathrine Whittred, with Assistant Deputy Speaker being Sue Hammell.
Below that level is the Committee of the Whole which deals with Second and Third Readings of Bills and debates therein. The Chair of that is Harry Bloy.
The Deputy Speaker can run the Legislature in absence of the Speaker, ("mace is up"). When the Committee meets "mace is down") the Chair of the Committee of the Whole takes over.
Big difference.
Has there been a nomination meeting in Lougheed, or is the BC Liberals doing their totalitarian
regimen again and just having a fill in the task meeting with no contestants?
Jaynie Clark? She's an NDP party hack and another left-wing labour activist who is also endorsed by Svend Robinson.
Get the picture?
Forget about her getting any of the middle-of-the-road swing vote.
Why wouldn't she?
Harry wouldn't get much of that middle of the road swing vote either.
Who would vote for a jerk like him who has an anger managment problem?
He doesn't even live in that riding.
He doesn't live in Burnaby either.
He's seeking a nomination in a foreign riding.
Just proves the point that Labour and the NDP are tied at the hip.
Just like corporate business and the BC Liberals are sown at the hip.
Nothing new there.
As expected, Jaynie, the more moderate of the two nominees, has won the right to run against Harry Bloy. She is after all the preferred candidate of the NDP leadership. However, a moderate to Carole James will be someone like Hugo Chavez, a moderate in relation to Fidel Castro.
"I had thought that the NDP would sweep the floor in Lougheed. After all, Bloy is completely useless. Yet the NDP, showing once again how absolutely brainless they truly are, have chosen their most useless candidate to run in this battleground riding."
And I too have the same sentiment. As a Harry supporter in the past elections, now, I see no purpose in re-electing him. In fact, I was hoping to see a new breed of NDP in the form of centrist Greg Robertson that I can vote for. But how many CUPE angels can NDP put out exactly, now we have a mini-Kathy Corrigan running against Harry Bloy. Will the traditional strategy of motivating the NDP base with disregard to independent voters never end, this is a battleground riding for goodness sake and NDP is playing them safe. It does however appear that NDP has decisively written this riding off and they will be going after the more winnable half of Harry Bloy's old riding.
I can however acknowledge NDP's hatred towards Harry Bloy and BCLIB's hatred over all to any socialist candidate. I though look at this from an independent voter's view. And yes, as a previously blogger has pointed out, Harry Bloy is hardly a front bencher, and the only accomplishment/non-accomplishment for him so far was putting together an anti-NDP faction that simply fell apart. To be fair Harry Bloy is by no means safe, as no one can explain the razor thin margin Harry won by against Bart Harly, someone with even less profile than Jaynie.
Election is only months away and NDP has nominated its candidates in all four Burnaby ridings. The strategy at battleground ridings, which may be the prototype for the national campaign, seems set, that it will be back to the traditional rhetoric of union-base support vs. ineffective incumbents, favoring NDP in a low turn out election and victory again will depend on us the independents.
People do expect NDP to have 5% at least increase from last election's result, if so, it is Harry and Richard that are fight an uphill battle. NDP rarely has traction sine much of their platform is ideologically driven and what happens to Burnaby Deer Lake is certainly uncommon for NDP. It will be difficult for Mondee and Jaynie to win simply based on the provincial party platform.
"As expected, Jaynie, the more moderate of the two nominees, has won the right to run against Harry Bloy. She is after all the preferred candidate of the NDP leadership."
So what's wrong with that? Are there not candidates within the BC Liberals that are the preferred candidate of the BC Liberal Leadership?
However, a moderate to Carole James will be someone like Hugo Chavez, a moderate in relation to Fidel Castro. "
Stupid comparison as usual.
"I had thought that the NDP would sweep the floor in Lougheed. After all, Bloy is completely useless. Yet the NDP, showing once again how absolutely brainless they truly are, have chosen their most useless candidate to run in this battleground riding."
"And I too have the same sentiment. As a Harry supporter in the past elections, now, I see no purpose in re-electing him."
Welcome to the club.
In fact, I was hoping to see a new breed of NDP in the form of centrist Greg Robertson that I can vote for.
Not going to happen. The NDP is middle of the road/left, but candidates like Gregor Robertson are very few and very far in between.
"But how many CUPE angels can NDP put out exactly, now we have a mini-Kathy Corrigan running against Harry Bloy."
Does it matter? Not all NDP candidates come from CUPE.
"Will the traditional strategy of motivating the NDP base with disregard to independent voters never end, this is a battleground riding for goodness sake and NDP is playing them safe. "
True.
"It does however appear that NDP has decisively written this riding off and they will be going after the more winnable half of Harry Bloy's old riding. "
Possible.
"I can however acknowledge NDP's hatred towards Harry Bloy and BCLIB's hatred over all to any socialist candidate. "
Harry isn't liked by a few in the BC Liberals either.
"I though look at this from an independent voter's view."
You're obviously not an independent minded voter. Obviously not NDP and more inclined as a strong suppporter of the BC Liberals.
"And yes, as a previously blogger has pointed out, Harry Bloy is hardly a front bencher, and the only accomplishment/non-accomplishment for him so far was putting together an anti-NDP faction that simply fell apart."
Fell apart? Imploded with a large debris field would be a better decription.
To be fair Harry Bloy is by no means safe, as no one can explain the razor thin margin Harry won by against Bart Harly, someone with even less profile than Jaynie.
Bart Healy wasn't a strong candidate to begin with. Harry has been acting as if he had a huge majority, but he didn't get one in 2005.
Election is only months away and NDP has nominated its candidates in all four Burnaby ridings. The strategy at battleground ridings, which may be the prototype for the national campaign, seems set, that it will be back to the traditional rhetoric of union-base support vs. ineffective incumbents, favoring NDP in a low turn out election and victory again will depend on us the independents.
Would not include you as an independent. Your bias is shining more brightly than a spotlight at a Burnaby Remand Centre.
"People do expect NDP to have 5% at least increase from last election's result, if so, it is Harry and Richard that are fight an uphill battle."
No shit.
NDP rarely has traction sine much of their platform is ideologically driven and what happens to Burnaby Deer Lake is certainly uncommon for NDP. It will be difficult for Mondee and Jaynie to win simply based on the provincial party platform.
Not exactly. It depends on what that provincial party platform is and how the BC Liberals behave in the months ahead, and general voter sentiment. If the poll trends indicate a convergence of paths of support then the ridings will be in trouble. They are not solid BC Liberal riding and never have been.
Also, it depends on how the NDP markets their candidates between now and election day.
Let the fun begin.
Fude for Thot
BC Iconoclast, plumped by V. Palmer at the Sun, shows the Burnaby ridings leaning this way.
LIB NDP GRP OTR
Burnaby-Edmonds
40.50% 48.10% 9.70% 1.70%
Burnaby North
45.00% 45.50% 7.80% 1.70%
Burnaby-Lougheed
46.90% 44.10% 7.90% 1.00%
Burnaby-Deer Lake
46.50% 40.70% 7.80% 5.00%
LIB NDP GRP OTR
Burnaby-Edmonds
40.50% 48.10% 9.70% 1.70%
+8% for the NDP, not leaning "this way".
Burnaby North
45.00% 45.50% 7.80% 1.70%
+0.5% leaning, but barely moving.
Burnaby-Lougheed
46.90% 44.10% 7.90% 1.00%
+2.8% still not exactly a comfortable distance.
Burnaby-Deer Lake
46.50% 40.70% 7.80% 5.00%
+5.8% indicated moving "this way"
In practicality, only Burnaby Deer Lake and to a lesser degree Bby
Lougheed can be said to be "leaning this way", but what is the margin of error?
Way to early for the BC Liberals in this blog to do a song and dance as if they have had the effects of way too many Beaver Buzz energy drinks.
"If the poll trends indicate a convergence of paths of support then the ridings will be in trouble. They are not solid BC Liberal riding and never have been."
Unfortunately, the poll says otherwise, who can possibly spin this double-digit difference as favoring NDP, except for the NDP loyalists of course.
As independently minded voter decide to vote with the majority to keep NDP out of power, BCLIB is cruising on the anti-NDP sentiment that has died down, especially true in Burnaby where NDP swept the city council, noting its low turn out rate. Kathy was able to now embrace new group of voters that are willing to vote against the government. Mondee, much more moderate than Pietro, also cannot rely on the anti-government wave as happened eight years ago, though she is running in a riding with strong organizational force under BCA that can easily unseat the incumbent.
Centrist figures such as Greg Robertson may be are in NDP, but Carole James, possibly the most moderate NDP leader ever, should do her best to new moderate candidates. Greg Robertson was able to beat Councilor by a large margin because of his appeal to independents who may be willing to start voting against government. Jaynie on the other hand is more of the same and simply cannot attract new base support. Unlike Richard Lee and John Nuraney, Harry Bloy will face a candidate, guilty by her CUPE association, that independents cannot ourselves supporting. It is unfortunate as many of us are hoping to see Mayor Corrigan to step up to wage war on BCLIB, well, cant blame the mayor for taking the safer route. But this should pave the way for Harry Bloy to be sent back to Victoria for another term.
Unfortunately, the poll says otherwise, who can possibly spin this double-digit difference as favoring NDP, except for the NDP loyalists of course.
Sorry. Wrong. This is only one poll, and it's not Mustel or Ipsos-Reid. It would be interesting to know the margin of error and sample size, plus when the poll was conducted.
There is no "double digit" difference, since all of the differences are single digit, plus decimal.
As independently minded voter decide to vote with the majority to keep NDP out of power, BCLIB is cruising on the anti-NDP sentiment that has died down, especially true in Burnaby where NDP swept the city council, noting its low turn out rate.
and guess who's fault was that? Team Burnaby. Once again they had an opportunity, but power plays got them and they bombed.
Kathy was able to now embrace new group of voters that are willing to vote against the government.
Nothing new there. The BC Liberals did that in 2000.
Mondee, much more moderate than Pietro, also cannot rely on the anti-government wave as happened eight years ago, though she is running in a riding with strong organizational force under BCA that can easily unseat the incumbent.
A bit too early for that yet and finally you hae something right. The Burnaby NDP is a strong organizational force. They were very weak in 2005, and have gained strength since then.
Centrist figures such as Greg Robertson may be are in NDP, but Carole James, possibly the most moderate NDP leader ever, should do her best to new moderate candidates.
What about the BC Liberals?
Greg Robertson was able to beat Councilor by a large margin because of his appeal to independents who may be willing to start voting against government.
Wrong. He also obviously appealed to NPA supporters who obviously voted for Gregor over Peter Ladner.
Jaynie on the other hand is more of the same and simply cannot attract new base support. Unlike Richard Lee and John Nuraney, Harry Bloy will face a candidate, guilty by her CUPE association, that independents cannot ourselves supporting.
Why not? Are you the sole spokesperson for the so-called independent vote?
It is unfortunate as many of us are hoping to see Mayor Corrigan to step up to wage war on BCLIB, well, cant blame the mayor for taking the safer route.
The same could be said for the BC Liberals. They tried to wage war on him during the civic election and lost big time.
But this should pave the way for Harry Bloy to be sent back to Victoria for another term.
That'll make a few people barf in disgust.
Jut what Victoria needs. A short tempered MLA with an anger management problem who has to wear a Boy Scout uniform each year in the Legislature to prove a point, and call himself the King of Coquitlam.
Great. So much for high quality representation in Bby Lougheed.
"But how many CUPE angels can NDP put out exactly, now we have a mini-Kathy Corrigan running against Harry Bloy."
"Harry Bloy will face a candidate, guilty by her CUPE association, that independents cannot ourselves supporting."
Jaynie Clark isn't CUPE! She's BCGEU. You don't want to make a mistake there - she's the GEU's golden girl, chosen to represent GEU interests in the legislature. I doubt that the interests of the residents of Burnaby-Lougheed will even be heard unless they happen to be GEU members.
"Jaynie on the other hand is more of the same and simply cannot attract new base support."
Probably true. I wonder if she'll be able to retain the NDP's current support base in Burnaby-Lougheed. I gather Clark's about as popular with the grassroots NDP as Bloy is with the Liberals. I wonder what kind of voter turn-out Burnaby-Lougheed will get.
If this true, it's interesting.
Two candidates that aren't really well liked by their respective parties.
Going to be a real magnet for volunnteers each one of them.
"Going to be a real magnet for volunnteers each one of them."
One would hope so. But given our prior knowledge of Harry Bloy, we know his strategy involves "uniting" anti-NDP, whcih means he wants all the independents that he can get to vote against NDP, unlike John Nuraney who tried to cruise on Gordon Campbell. What about Jaynie one wonders. Given that she is the more moderate of the two nomination candidates, she is obviously a light weight in the union world, BCGEU-wise. So her strategy will to be to unite the anti-government moderates to vote down the incumbents, unlike Kathy Corrigan who tried to cruise on Derek Corrigan. If anything, this is even more of a bellwether riding than any other ones in the city as one incumbent tries to play center and the challenger tries to play populist. With a razor thin margin of victory 2005, it will again be up to us independents to decide the election in the riding, if not the provincial election outcome overall. And it is certainly unfortunate as BCNDP could have fooled us with centrist candidates as so far none of the BCNDP candidates in the city so far has any credential in economy. Union grassroot organization may help them pick off vulnerable incumbent like Richard Lee, but ridings like that are far and few between and it will not win the provincial election. Economy will continue to dominate as the issue that will decide the outcomes in battleground ridings, such as Burnaby-Lougheed.
One would hope so. But given our prior knowledge of Harry Bloy, we know his strategy involves "uniting" anti-NDP, whcih means he wants all the independents that he can get to vote against NDP, unlike John Nuraney who tried to cruise on Gordon Campbell.
Obviously Harry's illustrious 'strategy' didn't work. In fact it turned into a disaster. Who would be foolish enough to follow what Harry wants?
Harry's also cruising on Gordon Campbell. He hasn't done very much compared to a few other provincial MLAs and his relationship with many party people is abysmal.
What about Jaynie one wonders. Given that she is the more moderate of the two nomination candidates, she is obviously a light weight in the union world, BCGEU-wise.
The voters aren't going to care for that. If she can convince the voters she would be a better MLA even as an Opposition one, that's what counts.
So her strategy will to be to unite the anti-government moderates to vote down the incumbents, unlike Kathy Corrigan who tried to cruise on Derek Corrigan.
They're married. I think it would be the other way around during some nights if you know what I mean...
If anything, this is even more of a bellwether riding than any other ones in the city as one incumbent tries to play center and the challenger tries to play populist.
With a razor thin margin of victory 2005, it will again be up to us independents to decide the election in the riding, if not the provincial election outcome overall.
No, it would be up to the voters as a whole. Not any colaguated
or congealed "independent voters".
And it is certainly unfortunate as BCNDP could have fooled us with centrist candidates as so far none of the BCNDP candidates in the city so far has any credential in economy.
They're not supposed to. Economics has never been the strength of the NDP. They are strong on social issues. The BC Liberals aren't exactly stellar when it comes to economics either. But they aren't bad.
Union grassroot organization may help them pick off vulnerable incumbent like Richard Lee, but ridings like that are far and few between and it will not win the provincial election.
It has before, sunshine.
Economy will continue to dominate as the issue that will decide the outcomes in battleground ridings, such as Burnaby-Lougheed.
True, but if social issues do come to the forefront, watch out. the BC Liberals are abysmal when it comes to social issues.
"True, but if social issues do come to the forefront, watch out. the BC Liberals are abysmal when it comes to social issues."
Does that still work? To some maybe, to the independents, certainly not. And when you put Jaynie under such context, one wonders how she can possibly win over the centre votes.
Burnaby Now today has introduced her arrival, and has emphasized that she used to manage Bill Siksay's re-election campaign who was less than a landslide away from being defeated, and that is the result of a typical NDP relying solely on the support of party enthusiasts. She was lucky that her face was practically saved in the more urban Burnaby North portion of Siksay's riding, political rookie one may say, something that Harry Bloy handled easily in past elections.
Does that still work? To some maybe, to the independents, certainly not. And when you put Jaynie under such context, one wonders how she can possibly win over the centre votes.
Since there is no real independent vote that is isolated as such (people will vote one way or another eventually), and there's never been any "Independent Vote" movement, I'd disagree. You do not speak on behalf of all so-called independent voters.
Burnaby Now today has introduced her arrival, and has emphasized that she used to manage Bill Siksay's re-election campaign who was less than a landslide away from being defeated, and that is the result of a typical NDP relying solely on the support of party enthusiasts.
Doesn't need to be a 'landslide' to win, Sunshine. All it takes is a majority vote. All candidates lose voter support levels to one degree or another. Harry lost a considerable amount of voter support than what he had in 2001, but still won. What does that tell you?
She was lucky that her face was practically saved in the more urban Burnaby North portion of Siksay's riding, political rookie one may say, something that Harry Bloy handled easily in past elections.
Not very well apparently. He lost a considerable amount of the vote that he had in 2001.
But to his credit, Richard fared far worse, since he won by only + 65 votes in 2005.
Today's Burnaby Now states that "Clark managed MP Bill Siksay's last two election campaigns and has volunteered in other campaigns for federal and provincial NDP candidates in the past."
I think that the Burnaby Now has its information wrong. Clark wasn't anywhere near Siksay's last campaign.
I think that the Burnaby Now has its information wrong. Clark wasn't anywhere near Siksay's last campaign.
She was probably out doing what you should have been doing.
Canvassing 50 to 100 houses a night for the candidate.
Campaigns are never going to be won or lost by blogs such as this one.
"Campaigns are never going to be won or lost by blogs such as this one."
Correct, neither will they be won in campaign headquarters.
Campaigns will be won by grassroot organizations such as the one developed by anti-prison residents in John Nuraney's own riding. But these independents are not pawns for NDP, and it will be up to each party's own responsibility to win us independents over. While it may look like it in Burnaby Deer Lake and Burnaby North, where NDP is not even close to clinching, but in this Lougheed riding, as I predicted before, though the more moderate NDPer would win the nomination, Harry Bloy should be able to win this riding by a landslide. Jaynie and her NDP loyalists can canvass however many houses they want, it will not change the fact that she is a union organizer, and that usually is the kiss of death for NDP candidates.
"She was probably out doing what you should have been doing.
Canvassing 50 to 100 houses a night for the candidate."
Which candidate? Wasn't Siksay.
Campaigns will be won by grassroot organizations such as the one developed by anti-prison residents in John Nuraney's own riding.
Unless they support the NDP, no they won't.
But these independents are not pawns for NDP, and it will be up to each party's own responsibility to win us independents over.
and you speak for the entire group of Independents? Then it isn't an independent group is it?
While it may look like it in Burnaby Deer Lake and Burnaby North, where NDP is not even close to clinching.
Guess again.
but in this Lougheed riding, as I predicted before, though the more moderate NDPer would win the nomination,
There is no contest amongt the candidates for the NDP is there?
Harry Bloy should be able to win this riding by a landslide.
I doubt that. He didn't win Burquitlam in 2005 in a landslide.
Jaynie and her NDP loyalists can canvass however many houses they want, it will not change the fact that she is a union organizer, and that usually is the kiss of death for NDP candidates.
No it isn't. Being a person who used to be an ice cream salesman and before that a small corner store owner could the kiss of death for a candidate.
Clark managed Siksay's 2004 and 2006 campaigns but was no where to be seen during the 2008 campaign. Guess it was because she wasnt offered a paid position on that campaign. Harry Bloy or Jaynie Clark...makes one wonder if they should bother exercising their democrat right to vote on May 12th...
Wasn't offered a paid position and not helping out because of it? That happens alot with quite a few BC Liberal types who figure they are too important to actually get out there and volunteer for free and expect to be paid because they assume their time is too important to give away to a political campaign.
Same thing happened with Team Burnaby in 2005. Too many people of poor quality got high quality cheques.
My favourite part was when Team's money wasn't enough to keep the good people on side.
Tell me again, how many staffers quit team during the campaign? I suspect we havent seen the last of that kind of tactic, eh ...
And boy is this provincial election ever going to be FUN!!!!
Yep,this provincal election will be fun.
Be there when it happens.
Burnaby Now said Mondee Redmond's employment credentials are working at a Telus help desk.
If that's true she's got to be the most garbage candidate i've heard of in my life.
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