Thursday, March 12, 2009

A Black mark

NDP MP Dawn Black, formerly an MP for Burnaby from 1988 through 1993, has announced she is giving up Ottawa for Victoria on May 12. Black was elected to the current term five months ago.

Black will be running for the NDP in New Westminster. Her acclaimation as a candidate is expected at the end of this month and after that the token Liberal opponent will be dispatched with great ease by Black and the labour unions. If the NDP manages to pull out a win, Black will be going to the cabinet likely at health or children and family development. In addition to being and MLA and possibly a cabinet minister, Black is eligible to collect a federal pension.

Another ex-Burnaby MP wants the job Black is giving up. Paul Forseth, who was expected to take a run to run in Burnaby-New Westminster, is out in the community looking for support for a potential candidacy in New Westminster-Coquitlam. Forseth represented communities in Burnaby, New Westminster and the Tri-Cities between his 1993 defeat of Black and his 2006 loss to Black. Forseth did not run last year in the federal election.

24 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Expected"?? try rumor, sport. Not exactly the same thing.

New Westminster provincially will be won by Dawn Black.

New Westminster-Coquitlam federally is open season.

Here's a wild idea. Harry Bloy decides to abandon his nomination in Bby Lougheed to run for the Conservatives in New Westminster Coquitlam (since he supported Yonah Martin in her nomination and knows alot of people in Coquitlam)
since an MP makes more money than an MLA and Harry is at the end of the trail when it comes to moving ahead.

Forseth being the Comeback Kid? Makes for a cheap B grade movie, but politically isn't going to happen. He's been out of circulation for too long and his last campaign was severely damaged by his wife going off the deep end with her religious convictions and working the churches.

3/12/2009 7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Here's a wild idea. Harry Bloy decides to abandon his nomination in Bby Lougheed to run for the Conservatives in New Westminster Coquitlam (since he supported Yonah Martin in her nomination and knows alot of people in Coquitlam)"

Very wild, but such moronic thought can only be thought of by political amateurs.

Our master blogger again has suggested something that we are all aware of, that is the "rumor", as some would like to call it, that Black is to "expected" be the candidate which we all is going to be the case in the riding.

It is funny how NDP is having all these old-time union activists coming back to provincial politics, and some even trying to dominate the cabinet.

As for the federal riding that she is about to abandon, one should not forget that Yonah Martin was not the only one who wanted to see Dawn Black off, she had to face nomination challenges. But it is obvious that Yonah Martin will continue to be the preferred type of candidates for the Tories. (not to mention the Korean community's attachment to the churches).

Coming back to Burnaby however, one does question why Paul Foreseth would venture in Peter Julian's territory. As a seasoned candidate, Paul must have seen the possibility of unseating Peter Julian, which may completely take the air out of the federal NDP in the entire province/Western Canada. And this may very well happen shall the pro-majority government sentiment starts to sweep Canada all the way to the Pacific Coast.

3/12/2009 10:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very wild, but such moronic thought can only be thought of by political amateurs.

Harry was a political amateur and some of his antics are amateurish even now.


Our master blogger again has suggested something that we are all aware of, that is the "rumor", as some would like to call it, that Black is to "expected" be the candidate which we all is going to be the case in the riding.

He wrote "expected" which wasn't correct."Rumored" would have been a better choice.


It is funny how NDP is having all these old-time union activists coming back to provincial politics, and some even trying to dominate the cabinet.

Since there is no cabinet in the NDP, how is that possible?


As for the federal riding that she is about to abandon, one should not forget that Yonah Martin was not the only one who wanted to see Dawn Black off, she had to face nomination challenges.

yeah right. Yonah was the Party's Pick. The other two didn't have much of a chance. Yonah received alot of favourtism from the Conservatives.


But it is obvious that Yonah Martin will continue to be the preferred type of candidates for the Tories. (not to mention the Korean community's attachment to the churches).

Sure. She bombed in the federal election. She did not win as was
expected. But she ended up with a Senate post to appease a minority
group of sorts. Not bad when a person who doesn't live in the riding, runs, loses and then gets rewarded.


Coming back to Burnaby however, one does question why Paul Foreseth would venture in Peter Julian's territory.

It isn't Peter Julian's territory. Julian is the MP for Burnaby New Westminster, a different riding.


As a seasoned candidate, Paul must have seen the possibility of unseating Peter Julian, which may completely take the air out of the federal NDP in the entire province/Western Canada.

That might be difficult since Foreseth wants to run in a riding that Julian does not represent.

3/12/2009 10:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But she ended up with a Senate post to appease a minority group of sorts."

Minority, Korean community, whatever. But if anything, this should help put the votes from the Korean community into the hands of the conservatives, in hopes that more prominent Korean Canadian candidates may spring up, possibly another candidate of such sort in Coquitlam-New Westminster, one should not overlook the significance of Yonah Martin's Senate appointment.

"It isn't Peter Julian's territory. Julian is the MP for Burnaby New Westminster, a different riding."

Our resident blogger has commented on the possibility of Forseth venturing into Burnaby politics. There may be some merits in it as he was the selected few "urban" (the only tory member elected in GVRD in 2004) conservatives that had previously been elected. Any challenge to NDP monopoly in the city should be welcomed and it is what makes democracy democratic. It is funny how there seems to always be a crowd of conservatives contesting for nomination every time Peter Julian runs for re-election.

3/12/2009 10:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Minority, Korean community, whatever. But if anything, this should help put the votes from the Korean community into the hands of the conservatives, in hopes that more prominent Korean Canadian candidates may spring up, possibly another candidate of such sort in Coquitlam-New Westminster, one should not overlook the significance of Yonah Martin's Senate appointment.

Yeah right. To appease a miniority group that isn't as large as let's say the Indo-Cdn or Chinese community both of which are significantly larger?

This finding a candidate to appease one specific miniority group is just nonsense. The concept is to find a candidate who will appeal to all people no matter what they are.


"It isn't Peter Julian's territory. Julian is the MP for Burnaby New Westminster, a different riding."

Our resident blogger has commented on the possibility of Forseth venturing into Burnaby politics. There may be some merits in it as he was the selected few "urban" (the only tory member elected in GVRD in 2004) conservatives that had previously been elected. Any challenge to NDP monopoly in the city should be welcomed and it is what makes democracy democratic.

There are other candidates that challenge the NDP, such as the federal Liberals and a few of those have done it successfully in the past.


It is funny how there seems to always be a crowd of conservatives contesting for nomination every time Peter Julian runs for re-election.

Peter Julian isn't running in New Westminter Coquitlam, he is an MP for Burnaby New Westminster.

3/13/2009 7:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about Dawn Black's MP Pension???

I hear she JUST qualified for her MP's pension, and now she's jumping ship to run provincially ...

PLEASE tell me - If elected MLA, will Dawn Black DOUBLE DIP - collecting both her MP's pension AND the MLA's salary.

3/13/2009 11:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She is entitled to her pension since she has been an MP long enough.

She's also entitled to her MLA's salary.

This isn't the first time this has occured.

Ujjal Doshanjh for example will be eligble for his MLA's pension even though he is now an MP, and will also collect an MP's pension when he leaves federal politics.

Richard Neufeld will be collecting his MLA's pension while at the same time collecting the salary that a Senator gets.

Gerry St. Germain may be getting his qualified MP's pension while at the same time getting his Senator's salary. He was first elected in 1983.

3/13/2009 5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A politician shouldn't be allowed to milk pensions from one level of government and then when that runs out bail out and go for another level of government's pension.

People should look at this closely and reject candidates doing this.

3/14/2009 1:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then you'd be rejecting alot of them.

3/14/2009 11:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great, since Dawn Black decides to put her personal interest before the party interest, the conservatives will welcome this goodwill from NDP to practically put this federal riding back to tories, unless of course the voters decide to approve this "milking".

Harry we all know are running for re-election and shall easily cruise over Jaynie. Dawn Black knows where her strength lies (union strong New West) and she has decided to jump back to the provincials since like all vulnerable incumbents, Dawn probably realized she could not get re-elected come the majority government wave and most people are fine with it. But it does create some sort of power vacuum for NDP since if they have decided to put up another union loyalist, as tories secretly hope, this riding will revert back to the government.

As for Paul running in Burnaby as our resident blogger has suggested, with his connection to New West it will not surprise anyone to see him recovering more votes from that city against Peter Julian from Burnaby, who as many may have noted is pretty far away from a gaining 50% in Burnaby. And I certainly wont be surprised to see another Asian face attached to the local churches taking on a union activist in the Coquitlam/New West side of the federal riding, putting that election battle all the way back to the basics.

Looking at the sentiment of "change" with the inauguration of Obama, one does question if the long incumbency of Peter Julian and Dawn Black is even a plus.

3/14/2009 11:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And why is there no mention of the fact that Elizabeth May is willing to consider moving to the riding - if she can muster some local support.

Nothing on the websites of the local papers, either. I think they're deliberately skewing their coverage. No wonder the media is in such trouble, eh?

3/14/2009 1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes the media are skewing coverage of the greens. Otherwise more would print Elizabeth May's stated views on running in New Westminster Coquitlam.

"Anything in Nova Scotia is more palatable to me than having to move out West."

3/14/2009 3:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great, since Dawn Black decides to put her personal interest before the party interest, the conservatives will welcome this goodwill from NDP to practically put this federal riding back to tories, unless of course the voters decide to approve this "milking".

She's not the first to put her personal intersts before the Party.
Harry has done that more than once or twice.


Harry we all know are running for re-election and shall easily cruise over Jaynie.

If the NDP figure that Bby Lougheed is winnable, they'll do what they can to take Harry out, and I'm sure a few BC Liberal members would silently applaud the NDP for doing it.


Dawn Black knows where her strength lies (union strong New West) and she has decided to jump back to the provincials since like all vulnerable incumbents, Dawn probably realized she could not get re-elected come the majority government wave and most people are fine with it.

Why wouldn't she be re-elected? Who would run against her in the next federal election?


But it does create some sort of power vacuum for NDP since if they have decided to put up another union loyalist, as tories secretly hope, this riding will revert back to the government.

Depends on who they get as a Candidate. Hopefully next time they won't manipulate the nomination process through backroom politics like they did with Yonah Martin.


As for Paul running in Burnaby as our resident blogger has suggested, with his connection to New West it will not surprise anyone to see him recovering more votes from that city against Peter Julian from Burnaby, who as many may have noted is pretty far away from a gaining 50% in Burnaby.

Doesn't need 50% to win, and besides Forseth wouldn't be facing Julian. Julian is in Burnaby New Westminster. Forseth is thinking of running in New Westminster Coquitlam. Two different ridings.


And I certainly wont be surprised to see another Asian face attached to the local churches taking on a union activist in the Coquitlam/New West side of the federal riding, putting that election battle all the way back to the basics.

Hope not. We've been down that road with "another Asian face" before. I'd rather see a person who can best represent the riding, rather than getting into trying to cater to any one minority group.

Doesn't matter if you're vanilla or bananna or even chocolate. What's inside is what counts.


Looking at the sentiment of "change" with the inauguration of Obama, one does question if the long incumbency of Peter Julian and Dawn Black is even a plus.

Considering that there's no equivalent to Obama and his "movement of change" in Canada, and in particular to a local riding can't see where the two compare.

3/14/2009 5:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gerry St. Germain may be getting his qualified MP's pension while at the same time getting his Senator's salary. He was first elected in 1983.

Gerry St. Germain before he was appointed to the Senate did not qualify for an MP's pension.
By virtue of his 16 years in the Senate - he now qualifies for a parliamentary pension. The MP and Senator's pension are one in the same. He does not receive a penny until he stops serving in the Senate. So he his definitely not double-dipping.

NDP MP Thomas Mulcair qualifies for a Quebec MNA pension and so does David Christopherson, NDP MP who was an MPP for 13 years.

3/15/2009 2:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gerry St. Germain before he was appointed to the Senate did not qualify for an MP's pension.
By virtue of his 16 years in the Senate - he now qualifies for a parliamentary pension. The MP and Senator's pension are one in the same. He does not receive a penny until he stops serving in the Senate. So he his definitely not double-dipping.

Interesting. Is he going to stop being a Senator in 8 years like the recently appointed ones supposedly stated and then set the facet for an election?
(unless he turns 75 by then).

My guess is probably not. He'll probably state "I was not asked when appointed if I would agree to serve eight years"

NDP MP Thomas Mulcair qualifies for a Quebec MNA pension and so does David Christopherson, NDP MP who was an MPP for 13 years.

Richard Neufeld will double dip.
He was an MLA for years before snorting at the Senate trough.

3/15/2009 3:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting. Is he going to stop being a Senator in 8 years like the recently appointed ones supposedly stated and then set the facet for an election?
(unless he turns 75 by then).

My guess is probably not. He'll probably state "I was not asked when appointed if I would agree to serve eight years"

Based on your logic - Dawn Black should do what John Reynolds quit before she was eligible to collect her pension.

That is a great idea - she should give up her MPs pension or spend it all on Tim Horton's gift cards for the Canadian Military serving around the world, that is a lot of coffee - good on Dawn for doing such a courageous thing and helping our people serving in the armed forces protecting us from Al Qeda and other terrorist organizations.

3/15/2009 9:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She won't give up her MPs pension. Why should she? She is entitled to it.

Would Neufeld give up his?

What about Ujjal Dosanjh?

Would you? (probably not. The being able to pocket money into the chequing account is just too much to pass up).

3/15/2009 11:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Would you? (probably not. The being able to pocket money into the chequing account is just too much to pass up)."

Hmm...I thought that is the reason many politicians receive jail time..and made several NDP premiers stepping down as well. Sort of embarrassing I would say. Though, politicians do indeed deserve a lot of things, but I certainly hope some matters of personal interests will not hinder her ability to act, as we have seen too many "personal" details scandalizing a politician's career, from both sides of course. The pursuit for power and wealth, while inherently evil, I guess is an intrinsic quality possessed by every human being, no exception to politicians.

3/16/2009 7:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You obviuouysly did a song and dance around the question.

There hasn't been any jail time issued to politicans who allegedly double dip.

3/16/2009 11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

too bad, eh?
They'd happily throw you or I in jail for failing to pay them.

3/16/2009 2:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not going to happen since their salaries and doube dipping doesn't directly come from any one individual, it comes from general tax revenue.

But on that tanget, you're right.
If there's taxes payable and not paid out, then there's a room waiting for you at the new Burnaby Remand Centre.

3/16/2009 5:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Not going to happen since their salaries and doube dipping doesn't directly come from any one individual"

One certainly hopes not. Luckily, Dawn Black is asking the rest of the Canadians to pay for her pension, otherwise, yes, the new remand centre may be too close for comfort. Even if legally allowed, if Dawn Black does decide to seek a seat at BCNDP leadership, she will have a lot of people to answer to, (let alone the cabinet assignment).

Though the touch on minority issue I think deserves a bit more attention. Carole James seems to be not doing so well with her minority quota to fulfill. Not trying to be a racist here, but it appears that white females made up the majority of the challengers so far, it is interesting to note however, Carole James attempted to do the same thing, even as early as the nomination meetings in 2005. But most of the white female BCNDP nomination challengers failed pretty badly. We shall see soon enough when applied to the general election how well this "strategy" that Carole James came up with is going to work.

3/16/2009 7:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One certainly hopes not. Luckily, Dawn Black is asking the rest of the Canadians to pay for her pension, otherwise, yes, the new remand centre may be too close for comfort. Even if legally allowed, if Dawn Black does decide to seek a seat at BCNDP leadership, she will have a lot of people to answer to, (let alone the cabinet assignment).

What makes you think she would seek the NDP leadership? First it was Corrigan, Derk, and now it's Black,Dawn??


Though the touch on minority issue I think deserves a bit more attention. Carole James seems to be not doing so well with her minority quota to fulfill.

It was gender, not minority.


Not trying to be a racist here, but it appears that white females made up the majority of the challengers so far, it is interesting to note however, Carole James attempted to do the same thing, even as early as the nomination meetings in 2005.

Congratulations, you are being racist. The NDP's policy is to provide priority to females, no matter what miniority, rather than males no matter what minority.



But most of the white female BCNDP nomination challengers failed pretty badly.

None have been tested in the real election yet.


We shall see soon enough when applied to the general election how well this "strategy" that Carole James came up with is going to work.

The BC Liberals haven't exactly been democratic either. They won't allow challengers to incumbent MLAs (which would mean they would have to earn their nomination), and in some ridings there was no real nomination contest, just a staged one with favourite candidate that were given priority in terms of resources.

3/16/2009 8:20 PM  
Anonymous Kellywtrd said...

It is understood that the sampling, including Just be sure not to stay in hot tubs spas for more than 30 minutes or turn the temperature about 104 degrees in your hot tub or you risk injury to yourself. One of the first things consumers do when they experience a problem with their home appliances is price how much it would cost to replace the unit.

11/10/2012 8:05 AM  

Post a Comment

Links to this post:

Create a Link

<< Home