Monday, December 01, 2008

Deal

It's not quite as shocking in French.

40 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you say Robert Burnaby is a racist BIGOT?

12/02/2008 11:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone say the above poster is wasting his time?

12/02/2008 1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, Robert Burnaby is simply being his own Westerner. Another Quebecker trying to take over the country, I'm sorry, it's TWO QUEBECKERS...this time, what does that tell you about Canada,nothing really except for the willingness of liberals to take down conservatives. Yes, it is easy for NDP to mak ea target out of conservatives based on "ideological" differences, what more difference can there be between hawk liberals vs. dove NDP? My advice for Jack Layton is that make sure to find somewhere to hide when Liberals collapse during the term. Believing that everything is going to be wonderful from now on is kindergartner thinking.

12/02/2008 1:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So - we seek to Balkanize the country, eh?
Count me out.

The people of Quebec will continue to vote for a regional party until such time as La Belle Province believes it has an honest opportunity to participate in what is supposed to be our shared national government.

The proposed Coalition is the first real attempt at rational, centrist politics in Canada since Lester Pearson.

Indeed, it may not work. But at least someone is trying to keep the country together. Sheesh!

12/02/2008 3:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark my words, The NDP will bend over for the Bloc while the Liberals stand and watch, more focussed on their leadership race with a lame-duck Dion standing there like a stuffed "scare(d)crow", to be a footnote in our history books, as the vultures fly overhead. Harper will twiddle his thumbs in wait as he flushes out the baby with the bathwater, readying himself for the majority that will come once all this nonsense blows up in the faces of its instigators. That will be the cherry-on-the-icing-on-the-cake. Just you wait and see. Again, mark my words, you heard it here first.

12/02/2008 3:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

c'est la vie..

12/02/2008 4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the coalition forms the next government and Stephane Dion gets to pick the cabinet, expect Peter Julian to be in it. Joyce Murray, who has Dion wound around her finger, will certainly be asppointed to cabinet, most likely in the Environment portfolio. Since she has few friends in the Liberal party, she'll insist that son of her good friend Terry Julian accompany her into cabinet. Also expect the coalition to fill the senate vacancies as soon as possible. Wendy Yuan will become Canada's first Chinese woman senator.

12/03/2008 11:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the coalition forms the next government and Stephane Dion gets to pick the cabinet, expect Peter Julian to be in it.

Bullshit.


Joyce Murray, who has Dion wound around her finger, will certainly be asppointed to cabinet, most likely in the Environment portfolio.

Possible.



Since she has few friends in the Liberal party, she'll insist that son of her good friend Terry Julian accompany her into cabinet.

Who is the father of Peter Julian.


Also expect the coalition to fill the senate vacancies as soon as possible. Wendy Yuan will become Canada's first Chinese woman senator.

and what will that bring to every B.C. citizen who isn't Chinese and those who are Chinese?

It was first for you Dr. Ronald Leung making cabinet. Now it's Wendy Leung making Senator.

Support for initiatives brought foreard by the Bloc Quebecois so that the Liberals will be in a position to help them in their goal for sovereignty association?

Then there's the aspect that few Canadians want the Liberals to continue with their trademark political patronage and senate appointments.

12/03/2008 5:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If the coalition forms the next government and Stephane Dion gets to pick the cabinet, expect Peter Julian to be in it.

Bullshit."

It is not entirely impossible. It is virtually impossible for Dion to appoint socialist MP's such as Libby Davies or Svend Robinson's sidekick into a coalition government. And there simply is no other moderate NDP heavy weight west of Manitoba to be appointed into the cabinet other than Peter Julian (even he already claimed that he "doesnt think" he will be appointed into the cabinet.). My prediction continues to be that Peter Julian will finally make it to the cabinet (while many still hoped it would be Dr. Ronald Leung).

As for Wendy Yuan being a Senator, I would say that look for Olivia Chow to play a much stronger role as a Chinese woman in the political scene.

But we have to ask where will this coalition head to? I mean seriously how could such a coalition not collapse with Iggy becoming the next Prime Minister, it will not surprise me to see Jack Layton collapsing the government once Iggy gets becomes the leader of liberals. And when the government does collapse, it is going to be ugly for the NDP's.

In Japan, the only ever socialist Prime Minister was elected 15 years whose party was virtually wiped out in the following election. When Canadians start labeling NDP as the "corporate sponsored socialists", it will be the day that NDP starts to become extinct.

12/03/2008 6:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is not entirely impossible. It is virtually impossible for Dion to appoint socialist MP's such as Libby Davies or Svend Robinson's sidekick into a coalition government."

No it isn't. We don't know yet, but
perhaps the NDP would weedle that out of the mushy Liberals to get their power share.


And there simply is no other moderate NDP heavy weight west of Manitoba to be appointed into the cabinet other than Peter Julian (even he already claimed that he "doesnt think" he will be appointed into the cabinet.).

There's no compuslory means to have NDPers from Western Canada in this supposed coalition cabinet.

"My prediction continues to be that Peter Julian will finally make it to the cabinet (while many still hoped it would be Dr. Ronald Leung).

You hoped it would be Leung, few others did.


As for Wendy Yuan being a Senator, I would say that look for Olivia Chow to play a much stronger role as a Chinese woman in the political scene.

Sure. right. Appoint Jack Layton's wife to the Senate. Wouldn't the political optics of that look good.

"But we have to ask where will this coalition head to?"

To the junkyard we hope.


"I mean seriously how could such a coalition not collapse with Iggy becoming the next Prime Minister, it will not surprise me to see Jack Layton collapsing the government once Iggy gets becomes the leader of liberals."


There's no need - except for power playng - for this coalition to exist.


"And when the government does collapse, it is going to be ugly for the NDP's. "

It's ugly for them and the Liberals now. Look around. Canadians as a majority don't want it and it's not needed.

In Japan, the only ever socialist Prime Minister was elected 15 years whose party was virtually wiped out in the following election.

This is Canada, not Japan. In B.C.
we have had two socialist governments.

"When Canadians start labeling NDP as the "corporate sponsored socialists", it will be the day that NDP starts to become extinct."

They'll be around. Many Canadians are hoping Dion's leadership will become extinct.

12/03/2008 6:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Wendy Yuan will become Canada's first Chinese woman senator."

Just to correct everyone here, Vivienne Poy is the first Asian/Chinese Senator and she is still there. She is related to Alfred Sung, the designer.

12/03/2008 11:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obviously a Liberal appointment.

12/04/2008 10:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand Layton and Dion were spotted wearing fishnet stockings in the Downtown Eastside.

12/05/2008 1:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It looks like the basement dweller has moved his fixation from Patti Sahota to Wendy Yuan...be very afraid, Ms. Yuan.

12/05/2008 10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The government is seriously fucked.

The opposition is thrashing about like idiotic children.

And Burnaby Politics has nothing more interesting to say than name calling.

And it's worse in English.

At least Radio Canada is talking about issues, if you find someone to translate for you.

12/05/2008 5:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And Burnaby Politics has nothing more interesting to say than name calling. "

You are very right. With a purely NDP city council and federal representatives, the silent majority simply do not care anymore. The only that can actually make things interesting is to see these prominent NDP's figures going down in flames, though highly unlikely. When is the last time NDP actually win on issues anyways.

Nonetheless, I firmly believe Bill Siksay to go down next election when the silent majority finally comes together. Otherwise, how can politics possibly interesting with emotionless Peter Julian and Bill Siksay. Issues have never mattered in Burnaby politics, and it will continue to be a non-issue (otherwise NDP does not even have a shot in Burnaby).

12/05/2008 6:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It looks like the basement dweller has moved his fixation from Patti Sahota to Wendy Yuan...be very afraid, Ms. Yuan.

Be glad he hasn't got a big fixation on Ronald Leung.

12/05/2008 6:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You are very right. With a purely NDP city council and federal representatives, the silent majority simply do not care anymore. "

And whose fault is that? YOu had an alternative that was severely fractured and didn't need to be that way. Don't blame the outcome
on the voters. Blame it on Team
Burnaby and their stupid way of doing things.




The only that can actually make things interesting is to see these prominent NDP's figures going down in flames, though highly unlikely. When is the last time NDP actually win on issues anyways.

Nonetheless, I firmly believe Bill Siksay to go down next election when the silent majority finally comes together. Otherwise, how can politics possibly interesting with emotionless Peter Julian and Bill Siksay.

Who says it has to be? Does Burnaby want an MP who does nothing but put on a show for the political hacks?


Issues have never mattered in Burnaby politics, and it will continue to be a non-issue (otherwise NDP does not even have a shot in Burnaby).

Wrong there, but keep trying.

12/05/2008 8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter Julian gavea very angry speech at Vancouver's pro coalition rally on Thursday. Maybe he was upset that Harper's prorogation of the house has cost him his cabinet seat.

12/06/2008 2:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah so?

12/06/2008 5:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Peter Julian gavea very angry speech at Vancouver's pro coalition rally on Thursday. Maybe he was upset that Harper's prorogation of the house has cost him his cabinet seat."

Why, you really want to play the numbers game? With Peter being the  speaker, what Peter Julian has to do is to bring together a gang of 10, 5 liberals and 5 NDP by making a pact with Ujjal Dosanj. Peter Julian to bring with him moderate NDPers, Atamanenko & Cullen and two neighboring colleagues while Dosanjh bringing the entire BC Liberal caucus forcing Harper to appoint Peter into the finance portfolio with a NDP secretary and Dosanjh into the foreign affairs with a liberal secretary.

The unity of the Western Canada will save Canada from constitutional crisis while Dosanjh can see his former leader being slaughtered by Iggy supporters and Julian getting paid more than its NDP "leader".

The "Gang of 10" "BC Opposition Caucus" pact will then have the gang sitting together as a caucus on the government bench but will only vote with the government on confidence votes for 6 to 12 months barring extraordinary circumstances to take down the government and otherwise they will vote with the opposition on all other bills.

12/06/2008 12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like I said however, to cooperate with a party with your party socialist ideals on the line, Jack Layton may soon suffer a defeat no different from Japanese so far only socialist Prime Minister, and for far less prize, possibly as Minister of Taxation or something. And when BQ decides to collapse the government three weeks after Stephen Harper resigns causing an election, is Jack Layton then going to say, "If I know now what I knew then, I wouldnt have voted yes." in the next "leadership" debate while running 308 candidates against its coalition partner? Tell yourself this is not a wipe-out in waiting.

I would suggest "Gang of 10 Pact" or even Grand Coalition is the only way to instill stability to Canada. Otherwise, Jack Layton is committing political suicide while dragging the entire socialist faction down with him.

12/06/2008 12:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter Julian's name was misspelled in the Friday Province.

They called him JULIEN - sort of French-fried potato, I think.

And that horrid red-eyed photo?

12/06/2008 12:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and you're worried about how his name was spelt in the paper?

Need to cut down on the coffee..

12/06/2008 9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Would you have confidence in a coalition federal government led by Liberal leader Stephane Dion?"

Burnaby News Leader current poll question (middle of the page): http://www.bclocalnews.com/greater_vancouver/burnabynewsleader/

12/07/2008 11:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When a politiian's name is spelled wrong, and does not respond, that is an indicator of the politician's inability to manage his own affairs, not the newspaper's inability to hire and keep decent proofreading staff.

Peter would be doing himself a favour to care about such mundane issues.

12/07/2008 11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter would be doing himself a favour and end his support of this coalition nonsense.

He says he's no friend of the Seperatists, but yet supports that same coalition that needs the seperatists to exist in terms of any votes that they try in the House.

Hypocritical big time.


Go figure.

12/07/2008 6:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hypocrisy?

The Bloc Quebecois has supported and voted in favour of the Tory minority government 140 times in three years.

12/08/2008 11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah so?

They never stated they were against the Tory minority government, but Julian has clearly and distinctly said he was againt the Seperatists.

The Seperatiste are in a different position. They have to support either the Tories or the Liberals or the NDP to get their agenda through.

The NDP does not need to support the Seperatiste distinctly. They
can vote with the Tories and/or
the Liberals.

12/08/2008 2:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're funny.

Almost as funny as the look on Stephen Harper's face when he loses that confidence vote in the House of Commons on Jan. 26.

Let me know if you need to borrow a towel.
You can choose between the red one, or the white one. The blue one's kind of tattered.

12/09/2008 12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What makes you think he'll lose?

if he does, watch for him to
win the oncoming election.

If he does, let us know when you need to borrow a towel. You cna choose between the red one and the white one.

The orange one is kind of tattered.

12/09/2008 1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harper's interview on Mansbridge last night was pivotal.

Was he pleading for mercy, or previewing his concession speech?

12/10/2008 10:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was talking like a Prime Minister something that Jack Layton wouldn't be able to accomplish.

12/10/2008 12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I mean seriously, with Iggy now taking on the leadership for the next coalition government. It is almost inevitable that he will handpick moderate NDP into his cabinet to avoid almost collapse of the right wingers within the current liberals.

So this has only confirmed my previous prediction that NDP is very likely going to get the Trade Portfolio especially by a Pacific Gateway Province MP. And in term of moderate NDP, there is no one more prominent right now than Peter Julian whose father is going to support Iggy as his leader. I predict that one of the six NDP cabinet ministers will be Peter Julian, likely the only NDP member in the cabinet west of Ontario.

12/10/2008 2:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I mean seriously, with Iggy now taking on the leadership for the next coalition government. It is almost inevitable that he will handpick moderate NDP into his cabinet to avoid almost collapse of the right wingers within the current liberals.

Not exactly. He has said "coalition if nessesary, but not nessesarily coalition" which means this silly mating up with the NDP is not a done deal.


So this has only confirmed my previous prediction that NDP is very likely going to get the Trade Portfolio especially by a Pacific Gateway Province MP. And in term of moderate NDP, there is no one more prominent right now than Peter Julian whose father is going to support Iggy as his leader.

Considering that Terry is amongst all Liberals doing the same thing, how does that make any difference?



I predict that one of the six NDP cabinet ministers will be Peter Julian, likely the only NDP member in the cabinet west of Ontario.

Let's hope another prediction comes true.

That you're wrong once again in your silly ideas.

You're forgetting one thing. There are a few Liberals in B.C. that are more deserving of a cabinet post than Julian.

Peter hasn't shown any leadership
and it's rather odd that he does not like the Seperatists, yet supports them indirectly through his supportng of this coalition idea.

12/10/2008 3:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harper could form a coalition with the Bloc.

Harper could also be appointed to cabinet in a new Liberal-Tory coalition, led by Ignatieff.

But more likely than either of those is ...

http://conservativesforprentice.blogspot.com/

Bye Bye Harper!

12/10/2008 4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/10/ignatieff-caucus.html

And when you're done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE9AwR0awVQ

12/10/2008 5:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and then once you gotten through all of that, here's the most valuable thing he's contributed today:

12/10/2008 5:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You're forgetting one thing. There are a few Liberals in B.C. that are more deserving of a cabinet post than Julian."

To you maybe, to most of us, most of the liberals, everywhere, should not even come to Ottawa in the first place. But that is beside the point.

I would again suggest that Peter Julian and Ujjal Dosanjh should form a BC Caucus with Peter in Trade Portfolio and Ujjal in Health Portfolio agreeing to vote with tories only on bills of confidence so we can have a United West to govern Canada as opposed having a Quebecker governing us for the past decades.

But the mostly candidate for NDP cabinet candidate west of Ontario will continue to be Peter Julian while most wont care which BC Liberals will get appointed to the cabinet. And it looks more likely that unless a "BC Opposition Caucus" forms, Iggy and Harper may be willing to form a grand coalition.

12/10/2008 5:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"To you maybe, to most of us, most of the liberals, everywhere, should not even come to Ottawa in the first place. But that is beside the point. "

It's not for you decide. That's up to the voters across the country to decide.



I would again suggest that Peter Julian and Ujjal Dosanjh should form a BC Caucus with Peter in Trade Portfolio and Ujjal in Health Portfolio agreeing to vote with tories only on bills of confidence so we can have a United West to govern Canada as opposed having a Quebecker governing us for the past decades.

As if that is ever going to happen. You're dreaming in orange tint. Readjust your colour balance.


But the mostly candidate for NDP cabinet candidate west of Ontario will continue to be Peter Julian while most wont care which BC Liberals will get appointed to the cabinet. And it looks more likely that unless a "BC Opposition Caucus" forms, Iggy and Harper may be willing to form a grand coalition.

That's laughable to say the least.

A coalition with the party that led to the defeat of the government? Not going to happen.

12/10/2008 6:44 PM  

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