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posted by Robert Burnaby at 7:11 PM
posted by Robert Burnaby at 7:11 PM
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CTV ran a story last night on the Kinder Morgan Map supplied to Burnaby and the contractor. According to the story and TV foootage the map was correct to within one-metre of where the pipeline was buried. It showed them putting a tape on it.
: All of which raises a few questions. Why was no one from KM on site? - could it be that they were not even called before the contractor stared digging? What kind of liability insurance does the contractor have? When hiring contractors, what kind of Risk Management procedures does the City of Burnaby use to transfer the risks and costs of environmental accidents/errors such as this? Could the City of Burnaby be on the hook for any portion of these cleanup costs? Finally, why was the Mayor of Burnaby so quick to allocate liability to Kinder Morgan?
Could the City of Burnaby be on the hook for any portion of these cleanup costs?
No because Kinder Morgan has already said they wil pay for all cleanup costs.
Finally, why was the Mayor of Burnaby so quick to allocate liability to Kinder Morgan?
Because the base K/M maps did not correctly place the pipeline.
Why the attention to Corrigan? He's not the culprit.
I guess you don't have a TV. The pipeline was not in the wrong place according to the CTV report. A tape measure was used to measure from the property line to where the Pipe was supposed to be (as shown on the map). It was in fact within one-half meter of where the map placed it - not nine meters away as some quick-to-comment elected officials stated to the news media.
Kinder Morgan has agreed to pay the immediate remedial costs, but that is not an admission of responsibility. Talk to any Risk Manager that you know and s/he will tell you that firstly you help the people involved, secondly you mitigate any environmental damages, thirdly you you fix any property damages and lastly (I repeat LASTLY) you put your case forward as to who is responsible. As one who long ago completed the Canadian Risk Manangement designation, it is my opinion that Mayor Corrigan has not followed these basic Risk Management procedures - while Kinder Morgan has.
Why might this be important in the future? Well, let's see. The question of liability will very shortly be a matter for the courts. Next year is an election year here in Burnaby. By making his on-the-record comments as to who is responsible very early - and then hiding behind a court case that will wind its way along for a couple of years, no one at city hall will have to admit any errors in Risk Management procedures or contracting-out screwups.
This very large spill will cost many millions of dollars in remediation. I would say something north of ten million dollars. Someone will have to pay and I am hoping it is not we the taxpayers.
Far from keeping politics out of this tragedy, the handling of this oilspill looks to me like it has politics all over it.
It only has politics all over it because YOU want it to be that way.
Seems to me and the rest of the audience, you don't like Corrigian
and want to bring politics into the equation which in terms of disaster management is totally unnessesary and isn't part of the resolution to everyone's benifit.
What would have happened if let's say Andrew Stewart was Mayor?
In other words replace Corrigan with Stewart into the equation.
Would your statment read like this?
"As one who long ago completed the Canadian Risk Manangement designation, it is my opinion that Mayor Stewart has not followed these basic Risk Management procedures - while Kinder Morgan has."
I don't know what Andrew Stewart would say (and neither do you). I suspect he would have immediately wanted to help those affected by this disaster and reserve judgement on who is to blame. However I do not know him well and he has other battles to fight just now, so none of us will know for sure, unless he weighs in.
We are just going to have to agree to disagree. The facts will fall out eventually. Just why our Mayor chose to immediately hit the prime time media with his version of who is to blame will eventually become clear. Obviously my knowing Risk Management procedures offends you.
Sometimes people want what they want regardless of the facts. I never mentioned Andy Stewart - you did. Mr. Corrigan is the Mayor so he will have to be the one to explain why this has gone to court if the maps are in fact so clear on the subject, as he says.
You and I don't have to argue about this. We just have to wait.
" don't know what Andrew Stewart would say (and neither do you). I suspect he would have immediately wanted to help those affected by this disaster and reserve judgement on who is to blame. "
Well that's what Corrigan has done. He has shown leadship despite your obvious prejudice.
Peel away the politics.
"However I do not know him well and he has other battles to fight just now, so none of us will know for sure, unless he weighs in. "
If he was Mayor in light of the
oil spill, that would be irrevalent. A bit of a hard line, but that's the way it is, and so it should be with Corrigan if he
had some kind of family situation to deal with.
"We are just going to have to agree to disagree. The facts will fall out eventually. Just why our Mayor chose to immediately hit the prime time media with his version of who is to blame will eventually become clear. "
It will, if he's found to be incorrect, but that's the gamble
he'll have to take.
It has no reflection on his capability as Mayor. Many politicians have made stupid errors and lived through it.
Gordon Campbell had made two and he is still leader of the BC Liberals.
"Obviously my knowing Risk Management procedures offends you. "
It does not. What does offend me is
you placing some kind of political tangent on an emergency situation.
Risk Management is assessment and prediction of potential adverse
conditions.
Emergency management is dealing with effective management of incidents.
Niether require or need politics.
In fact politics interfering with
Emergency Management can be dangerous (which is why Emergency Management has stepped procedures
for everyone involved).
"Sometimes people want what they want regardless of the facts. I never mentioned Andy Stewart - you did."
In terms of a hypothesis. An alternate outcome.
"Mr. Corrigan is the Mayor so he will have to be the one to explain why this has gone to court if the maps are in fact so clear on the subject, as he says."
It has yet to go to court. No
file has been placed in court as
can be determined.
Even if those K/M maps were out by
1 m, the fault would clear land with K/M, not the City of Burnaby.
How come the TB councillors havent said anything so far.
At least Corrigan is speaking his mind (potentially with his foot in his mouth). But speaking his mind anyway.
Looking at the way Corrigan handled this in retrospect he might have scr**ed himself because he let KM take over the cleanup and allowed their optics to look good.
If it can be proven the city and contractor are at fault he will go from champ to chump.
"Looking at the way Corrigan handled this in retrospect he might have scr**ed himself because he let KM take over the cleanup and allowed their optics to look good. "
Usually the case in these types of incidents, whereby the owner of the infrastructre leads the post incident activity cleanup and resolution.
"If it can be proven the city and contractor are at fault he will go from champ to chump. "
What if it can't be proven and
K/M is found to be in error on the basis of their maps?
The contractor as a seperate entity could also be independently
found to be at fault if the contractor did not follow guidelines and resources supplied by both the City and K/M that were
deemed to be correct.
This is an extremely rare occurence
There's a tendency to put silly politics into this subject which doesn't need to be here.
"How come the TB councillors havent said anything so far."
No need. Unless they are part of the Emergency Management system in Burnaby (of which the Mayor is one), there's no need for supplementary commentary since that just adds un-nessesary political tangents.
Ditto for the BCA councillers.
Keep this incident for what it was, an unfortunate incident, not a political opportunity.
"Emergency management is dealing with effective management of incidents."
You have brought up Emergency Management procedures. You will not find any manual on this subject that suggests an assessment of blame or who is liable should be issues for the initial media broadcast.
"Even if those K/M maps were out by
1 m, the fault would clearly land with K/M, not the City of Burnaby."
Wrong again! The fault would land with the contractor who dug up and pinched off the line. The only question I care about is whether the City of Burnaby is adequately protected from any liabily by contract.
Emergency management is dealing with effective management of incidents."
"You have brought up Emergency Management procedures. You will not find any manual on this subject that suggests an assessment of blame or who is liable should be issues for the initial media broadcast."
Of course not. That's not what
Emergency Management is for. EM
provides the management tools to
deal with incidents.
"Even if those K/M maps were out by
1 m, the fault would clearly land with K/M, not the City of Burnaby."
"Wrong again! The fault would land with the contractor who dug up and pinched off the line. "
Not exactly true, if the contractor had used K/M maps and did follow proper procedure, then
the fault would be with K/M. But
the contractor has a very large obligation to ensure they know where to dig safely.
The only question I care about is whether the City of Burnaby is adequately protected from any liabily by contract.
That's usually par for the golf course. If it can be proven than
the contractor followed all procedures and used City (not K/M)
maps that were proven to be incorrect then the City could be liable and therefore be exposed to
legal action, but in this instance, it's very unlikely that will occur.
It's also very unlikely that the taxpayers will be on the hook as a result of Corrigan's statements.
Seems to be more political stuff here that doesn't need to exist.
There wouldn't be much to be gained by Team Burnaby from what Corrigan has done or didn't do, either.
If Team Burnaby is going to run on negatives, then why bother voting for them? I'd rather vote for someone or a group that is going to actually accomplish things rather than for a group led by campaign people who do nothing but
mark off negatives.
That seems to be the case here. Someone is trying to build this into something politically anti-Corrigan.
Not the smartest move.
But Team Burnaby has a reputation of not being the smartest group of kids in school.
Today's edition of the Burnaby Now contains a good story on this subject. Unfortunately it also contains three things that suggest that Burnaby taxpayers may face some finacial exposure.
First there is the quote from Council member Garth Evans that the contractor may not have enough insurance, if found responsible.
Next is the Mayor's refusal to return phone calls to the NOW on the story - A bit strange after his jumping into media comments so soon after the spill took place last week.
Finally, there is city engineer, Lambert Chu, commenting that the City has liability insurance to cover accidents.
For anyone who does not know, the great majority of municipalities (including Burnaby) use what are called "captive insurance corporations". This is a form of self insurance that will impact insurance premium costs in the future. The costs may be spread over ten years, but they will come from homeowners like you and me.
Then again, it might all be the responsibility of Kinder Morgan and we can sleep soundly. Not.
"Today's edition of the Burnaby Now contains a good story on this subject. Unfortunately it also contains three things that suggest that Burnaby taxpayers may face some finacial exposure."
Possible things. Not exactly
set to the point that they would
happen.
"First there is the quote from Council member Garth Evans that the contractor may not have enough insurance, if found responsible."
Then the next step would be for the courts to fine the contractor
for the balance that isn't covered by insurance if he is found liable.
"Next is the Mayor's refusal to return phone calls to the NOW on the story - A bit strange after his jumping into media comments so soon after the spill took place last week."
Corrigian is ill this week. That does happen to people.
"Finally, there is city engineer, Lambert Chu, commenting that the City has liability insurance to cover accidents."
Not unusual since all cities have that up to a certain amount, and does carry a deductible. But it's not exactly certain that the insurance would be applied in this instance since the City has not been explicitly found liable either whole or in part by the Transportation Safety Board.
"For anyone who does not know, the great majority of municipalities (including Burnaby) use what are called "captive insurance corporations". This is a form of self insurance that will impact insurance premium costs in the future. The costs may be spread over ten years, but they will come from homeowners like you and me."
Not entirely unusual, and certainly is not politcal fodder.
"Then again, it might all be the responsibility of Kinder Morgan and we can sleep soundly. Not. "
That's up to the Transportation Safety Board.
Wait for their findings.
It's time to turn off the lights on this subject and call it a day
and move on to other things of interest.
It's sunny outside, and the middle of summer.
Time to head for the beach or pack up the station wagon for a good summer road trip with the wife and kids.
"That seems to be the case here. Someone is trying to build this into something politically anti-Corrigan.
Not the smartest move.
But Team Burnaby has a reputation of not being the smartest group of kids in school."
True, Corrigan barely achieved 50% last election and with half of Burnaby residents being anti-Corrigan, he is already having it easy. Had he been the mayor of Vancouver, by now he would have been expelled from city hall.
TB is already giving him an easy time, but make no mistake, that does not mean Corrigan can simply sleep well at night. The book will be closed when we know who is the one to be held accountable for this. If Corrigan cannot have the right people paying for this disaster, his qualification to run our city will soon be questioned.
"True, Corrigan barely achieved 50% last election and with half of Burnaby residents being anti-Corrigan, he is already having it easy."
Technically not true since there was less than a 40% turnout over all at the polls.
Corrigan like all politicians have
highs and lows, and 2005 was
markedly weak for the BCA/NDP, but
they will no doubt be alot stronger
next time around.
"Had he been the mayor of Vancouver, by now he would have been expelled from city hall. "
How so? The way that could be done
is with a majority vote from council, the same rule applies here in Burnaby.
"TB is already giving him an easy time, but make no mistake, that does not mean Corrigan can simply sleep well at night."
The only thing TB is giving Corrigan at night is giggles from a funny dream.
"The book will be closed when we know who is the one to be held accountable for this. If Corrigan cannot have the right people paying for this disaster, his qualification to run our city will soon be questioned."
Your making an assumption that Corrigan is the point person for this whole thing, which he is not
at the present time.
The cause of the accident will be
determined by the Transportation Safety Board.
There is no indication that the City is at fault for the accident.
Again, this is leading towards politics, and it seems that some
ignoramuses are trying to get some kind of political opportunity out of this incident.
Pretty pathetic when one really sits down and thinks about it.
Those in TB should be focusing on repaying their debts and repairing the damage to their civic party rather than worrying about Corrigan.
"and 2005 was markedly weak for the BCA/NDP, but they will no doubt be alot stronger next time around."
How so? Why is it that some just cannot accept the fact that Burnaby is ready for a change of government. BCA/NDP is far from holding a majority over the rest of Burnaby.
"Again, this is leading towards politics, and it seems that some
ignoramuses are trying to get some kind of political opportunity out of this incident."
Political opportunity? Like how Giuliani became American's mayor for his heroic leadership during 9/11. Certainly BCA people arent naive to think that Corrigan is going to be praised as a hero out of all this.
It is pathetic that BCA/NDP will just start labeling people who have doubts about Corrigan's ability to govern as TB operatives. If that's so, then they got their work cut out for them because after getting all the union executives out endorsing the party all they can do is achieving a 52% "mandate".
Rather than trying to brush the criticism aside and labeling people as TB, maybe it is best for Corrigan to tell his people who really is accountable for this. Even if it's not the city's fault, how will he go about taking care of the people who were affected by this incident.
Just because you have more people on the council than your enemies does not mean you can start cruising. If his fellow BCA friends/followers continue to blindly praise him for his effort to contain the damages without anything valuable to add, then they better double think about what they were elected to do in the first place.
"Political opportunity? Like how Giuliani became American's mayor for his heroic leadership during 9/11. Certainly BCA people arent naive to think that Corrigan is going to be praised as a hero out of all this."
I doubt that. Guilani and 9/11 was
far different from this, and Guilani has milked the opportunity
to insane levels.
It has also been said in TV circles
that Donald Trump is "America's Boss", which far from reality.
Corrigan was just doing the Mayor's job, and added his own
trademark opinions. Nothing new there. Politicans by nature love to talk. Unfortunately many (Corrigan included) talk a bit too much, and sometimes too soon.
"It is pathetic that BCA/NDP will just start labeling people who have doubts about Corrigan's ability to govern as TB operatives."
Hopefully few of those will be
attached to TB, but TB has a bad habit of seeking political opportunity where it's actually there or not.
"If that's so, then they got their work cut out for them because after getting all the union executives out endorsing the party all they can do is achieving a 52% "mandate"."
As a previous poster mentioned, the 2005 result was a manifestation of the BCA being noticably weak. All parties and politicians go through weak periods.
"Rather than trying to brush the criticism aside and labeling people as TB, maybe it is best for Corrigan to tell his people who really is accountable for this."
That's up to the Transportation Saftey Board to find out, since they are doing the primary investigation.
"Even if it's not the city's fault, how will he go about taking care of the people who were affected by this incident. "
Personally he's not going to. In the wider scope, K/M has repeatedly mentioned they will pick up the bills for damage.
"Just because you have more people on the council than your enemies does not mean you can start cruising. If his fellow BCA friends/followers continue to blindly praise him for his effort to contain the damages without anything valuable to add, then they better double think about what they were elected to do in the first place. "
Conversely same holds true for Team Burnaby types if they try to milk politicial opportunity out of an incident such as this one.
The citizens are more interested in those candidates who work for the better of Burnaby, not for themselves or for the party they represent.
Why is Team Burnaby even mentioned in this story? let alone repeatedly accused of being behind every post you don't like?
No one made the Mayor of Burnaby put his foot in his mouth on the every first day. It is too bad he is too ill to comment now, but sick or not, it is best he leave the management of this disaster to others.
The focus of the City of Burnaby should have been the same as that of the contractor, which has refused public comment on who is to blame, and Kinder Morgan, which has done the same thing as well as ensure very quick and effective disaster management.
Indeed, why did politics ever get into this thing in the first place?
Someone mentioned Corrigan's posturing,then it evolves around
how much Corrigan received in the last election.
The subject was the oil spill, not
any political opportunity obviously being hoped for by those who don't like Corrigan, TB or not.
Time to call it day, kids and move on to other things.
I would also concur with you and call it a day. Let us just agree that our fragile mayor needs to help the victims be compensated in due time after he recovers from his sickness. I suppose running a city as large as Burnaby does take a toll on a senior mayor.
It would take the toll on anyone being Mayor.
As a previous poster said, let's call it a day and move on to something else.
New update in today's Burnaby Now. Hopefully Corrigan has a size 12 mouth so that his foot can comfortably fit in it.
How could he be so irresponsible to make his 9 metre comment right after the incident happened. You really have to question this guy's thought processes. And some say he wants to run provincially as premier. Are we kidding here.
Quote.....
Shortly after the accident Mayor Derek Corrigan told reporters maps provided by Kinder Morgan were off by nine metres in their placement of the pipeline but Kinder Morgan’s Paul Huddleston has said the maps were accurate.
City Engineering Director Lambert Chu said Corrigan was wrong about the map.
“Unfortunately, that piece of information was incorrect. I don’t really know where the nine metres came from.” Chu said in an interview Thursday.
Corrigan did not return phone calls Thursday.
Chu also confirmed the city does not create its own maps of private utilities but collects them from the utility owners.
While Chu refused to comment on the city’s contract with Cusano, he said city contracts with utilities generally stipulate that contractors should locate on their own before they dig.
"New update in today's Burnaby Now. Hopefully Corrigan has a size 12 mouth so that his foot can comfortably fit in it.
How could he be so irresponsible to make his 9 metre comment right after the incident happened. You really have to question this guy's thought processes. And some say he wants to run provincially as premier. Are we kidding here"
Probably as irresponsible as
Andrew Stewart not telling TB members nor the voters he had a drunk driving conviction as it
took the oppposition to smoke that
out.
Probably as dumb as TB not paying back debts, even after 1 1/2 years.
Some want TB to be the civic party of government. Are we kidding here?
Doesn't take an intelligent person to be an MLA, there are many who
are not the sharpest pencil in
the drawer in both the NDP and BC Liberals.
Corrigan tripped up on this one,
but he's not the first politician
at either the civic level or provincial level to talk when he shouldn't have talked.
Time to call it a day, kids, there's a nice two or three weeks left in summer and a few BBQ's to finish.
Huh? Get off the medication buddy.
What does a bumbling Derek Corrigan have to do with a bumbling TB?
There is a poster here who has made it his personal job description to somehow blame TB for any foolishness that our Mayor has got our city into.
For those who aren't up to speed yet, the mayor's very poor judgement at the start of this tragedy is only the beginning. It's no wonder that city engineering won't discuss the contract they signed with the contractor. If they did it would be soon be apparent the contractor may not have adequate coverage to meet the costs of this accident. If the contractor is found at fault, there is only one other place to go for the money - and that is the resources of the City of Burnaby.
This whole mess could have easily been avoided by using Risk Management procedures to ensure contractors have sufficient insurance and explicitly know their responsibilities. This mess is gettig uglier by the day so hang onto your seats if you are a taxpayer in Burnaby.
No doubt our favorite poster will come back to suggest everything written here is somehow a Team Burnaby plot. I doubt he is a taxpayer or he would be more concerned about his future taxes and less about blaming Team Burnaby.
Blame Corrigan, an arrogant poster
providing expert opinion on Risk Management to the contractor, and
just plain idiotic politics from
those who are obviously wanting a
Team Burnaby win next time.
C'mon people, loosen up and enjoy summer.
Come next election I'm certainly
not going to vote on the basis of the BCA nor Team Burnaby. I'm just going to vote for those from each side who will do good things for Burnaby.
Whether whom I choose for Mayor and Council come from either BCA or Team Burnaby doesn't matter to this taxpayer
Enjoy the summer???
I am trying to you dumb simpleton but your Mayor keeps on giving me nightmares as a taxpayer.
Our illustrious Mayor's comments is on you tube. Check out this clip at the 1:30 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjjhVnCfahs
Someone obvously has too much time on their hands.
Corrigan's remarks are old news.
Even for us in the BCA.
Time to move on.
As for the person who claims Corrigan is giving him nightmares,
he might want to reduce the number of bowls of Count Chocula eaten
or reduce the number of Pepsis
drunk during the day.
His dilemma is obviously the result of consumption of too much sugar.
We'll decide if Corrigan stays on to seek another term. My guess is that we'll find a good person to
succeed Corrigan. After all we've
done that twice in the past with pretty good success.
If one figures Corrigan is given people nightmares, just imagine what a Harry Bloy run Team Burnaby is going to do.
Best thing is to just vote for good people from both us, the BCA,
and choose carefully a few from that other side, if it still exists, but vote for our guy for
Mayor rather than what ever the heck it is that Hary Bloy chooses
to select for the Mayorality candidate.
But that's way way off until early next year.
The Mighty Corrigan sat on a Wall
The Same Guy had a great fall
All the Mayors Risk Managers and the BCA's cackling old hens
Couldn't get Corrigan elected again.
Someone needs to get out of the house.
The Mayor's Office doesn't have
Risk Managers.
Seems someone is getting into politics again.
As for Corrigan not getting elected
again, who's to know that he won't?
Or that someone else from the BCA
will run for Mayor?
Anyone from the BCA running for Mayor has to be beter than someone hand picked to run for Team Burnaby by Harry Bloy and his servants.
First it was an oil spill, now it's spill the political sh*t*.
Here's one:
Andrew went to an event and took a drink..
When he ran for Mayor, and to tell the voters about that long ago event, he didn't think.
So his for his support, it went down the sink.
Andrew Stewart is fighting a private and very personal battle with health issues.
The previous blogger is so totally cute. Why is it so obvious he is a BCA boy? Go for it. Take all the shots you want. You have just shown your true colors.
Not a single person I know said anything nasty, derogatory or demeaning about former Mayer Doug Drummond during his long illness - or after. Nor did I read anything that was in any way childish or nasty. Think about it, champ.
Andrew Stewart is fighting a private and very personal battle with health issues.
Sorry to hear about that. But so have many other people including a few friends of mine. They have recovered though.
The previous blogger is so totally cute. Why is it so obvious he is a BCA boy? Go for it. Take all the shots you want. You have just shown your true colors.
Yep, and so have you.
Not a single person I know said anything nasty, derogatory or demeaning about former Mayer Doug Drummond during his long illness - or after. Nor did I read anything that was in any way childish or nasty. Think about it, champ.
That's becuase Drummond was well liked by many including those who
voted BVA, and a few who voted Team Burnaby.
Well if Harry Bloy and his minions and those who support Team Burnaby would smarten up and not be arrogant SOB's, then things would be friendlier.
I see there's been pock shots at Corrigian which has been over the top.
The truth of the matter is, is that if Stewart had been forthcoming to the voters about his drinking and driving charge and if Team Burnaby's campaign team wasn't so arrogant then things would have been different.
If you want a change in government in Burnaby, let go of the self-righteousness and come up with a civic party that the mainstream voters would be attracted to, not a civic party that some group of people want to have control over for their own personal gain.
End the childish and arrogant remarks and get back to the basic topic of the oil spill yourself, boy.
I thought we were already moving past oil spill onto something that's more important, if our ailing mayor is ready to govern. I wouldnt want my mayor to be sick when something as huge as this needs his involvement, would you?
Maybe 52% of Burnaby residents (usually under-represented during council elections) thought Derek is a great guy, but I would challenge people to name the legacy he has left during his time on the city council for 3 decades, certainly not his "effort" in helping containing the oil spill.
No,it's no one's fault that some people in Burnaby just got hit with this misfortune, but I dont know about you people, I would say that the mayor should certainly play a small role in helping these people, if not signficant.
And yes, it is time to move on, TB people should realize that BCA is not going to defeat themselves now less than a year before TB's own mayoral nomination.
Dish, dash, a little splash,
Rip, romp, a great big gash.
Fire the BCA hens, or promote in to Risk Management,
Take responsibility for your actions, just imagine it.
In a world where twenty seven feet,
is actually a foot and a half, isn't that neat.
Don't be sexist, give equality a real booster,
Keeps the BCA hens, and fire the BCA roosters!
Someone obviously has too much time on their hands.
I don't want to start another long and nasty exchange here, but wouldn't Celeste R and Doug Evans have helped council to avoid this disaster if they were still around? I think we all miss them.
There once was a mayor named Corrigan,
Who wore such a large tape measure, he was sore again.
Said he to the wife,
Let's retire to our fife.
And when the phone rings, we'll just snore again!
Its clearly no jest,
To say Doug & Celest,
Were the BCA at its best,
Way back in the dawn of time.
When men were the men,
And women were the women,
And the Burrard Inlet was still fit for swimming,
Dont you think that all sounds fine.
When responsibility wasnt a four-letter word,
And passing the buck wasnt all that you heard,
When the mayor didnt go to lengths that were absurd,
And the BCA knew when not to cross the line.
Way too much time on your hands?
YES, I used to go boating the the Burrard Inlet but now cannot!
Imagine the First Nations Community on the other side who spent years
rehabilitating their oyster beds only
to have them potentially destroyed by
somebody asleep at the wheel!
Perhaps a little (too little?) bit of
humor will get people to stand up and take notice that we have our own
local version of the Exxon Valdez which will have environment (and political) consequences for years to come.
The ground water has been contanminated, the Inlet has been polluted, and resident's health has been impacted by aerated oil droplets they have breathed in through no fault of thier own.
Imagine how the emergency workers felt at the 911 sight when they were told at the time that there were no air pollutants that could
harm them, only to find out later
they were breathing in Asbestos dust, etc.
As a Burnaby tax payer, I shudder to think of the potential liability we may collectively incur if there is an environmental paradigm shift in politics and we are held responsible for pollutants that get released into the air.
This is no joke, several small children, and babies were exposed to aerated oil droplets. There is currently no research on the long term health impact of such an event, but imagine what damage could be done to several young human lives throught sheer incompentence (the guilty parties know who the are), ignorance and lack of caring.
PEOPLE OF BURNABY WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE (OIL)!!! Your city hall is populated by elected representatives who barely quality for the term!
I apologise for my spelling and grammatical mistakes above. I care passionately for the environment, don't believe in Global Warming, and am seriously considering going Green (as in party).
I think that an electorally colored green steam roller could do more good at city hall than harm. At best, it will be the end of the BCA, at worst, it will improve my spelling and grammer!
"I think that an electorally colored green steam roller could do more good at city hall than harm. At best, it will be the end of the BCA, at worst, it will improve my spelling and grammer! "
If improvements to grammar and diction is dependent on the BCA being defeated, I would strongly suggest professional help.
YES, I used to go boating the the Burrard Inlet but now cannot!
Imagine the First Nations Community on the other side who spent years
rehabilitating their oyster beds only
to have them potentially destroyed by
somebody asleep at the wheel!
Perhaps a little (too little?) bit of
humor will get people to stand up and take notice that we have our own
local version of the Exxon Valdez which will have environment (and political) consequences for years to come.
Bit of a stretch there. The Exxon Valdez was caused by a captain who drank too much alcohol when he went on duty.
"The ground water has been contanminated, the Inlet has been polluted, and resident's health has been impacted by aerated oil droplets they have breathed in through no fault of thier own."
Much of that has disspated.
GVRD air quality tests show the
air is acceptable.
"Imagine how the emergency workers felt at the 911 sight when they were told at the time that there were no air pollutants that could
harm them, only to find out later
they were breathing in Asbestos dust, etc."
Asbestos hasn't been used in home for years, and fire personnel are required to don SCBA when entering
air toxicated environments.
"As a Burnaby tax payer, I shudder to think of the potential liability we may collectively incur if there is an environmental paradigm shift in politics and we are held responsible for pollutants that get released into the air."
Ain't going to happen. Make a peanut butter sandwich and calm down.
"This is no joke, several small children, and babies were exposed to aerated oil droplets. There is currently no research on the long term health impact of such an event, but imagine what damage could be done to several young human lives throught sheer incompentence (the guilty parties know who the are), ignorance and lack of caring."
I'm sure the children have been
checked by physicians.
"PEOPLE OF BURNABY WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE (OIL)!!! Your city hall is populated by elected representatives who barely quality for the term! "
Interesting. Wonder if this same comment would come out if Team Burnaby had the majority and not the BCA, but the event still happened. This isn't exclusive to the BCA being in governance. Could happen either way.
Someone certainly needs a peanut butter sandwich and a comforting hug from Mom.
"If improvements to grammar and diction is dependent on the BCA being defeated, I would strongly suggest professional help."
You provide the couch and I will provide the early childhood memories! What a deal - defeat the BCA and get your analysis on two-for-one Tuesdays.
"Bit of a stretch there. The Exxon Valdez was caused by a captain who drank too much alcohol when he went on duty."
At least he was on duty, sober or otherwise...Where was the guy from Kinder Morgan who supposedly comes complete with 4 AAA batteries and an correct set of plans?
"Asbestos hasn't been used in home for years, and fire personnel are required to don SCBA when entering
air toxicated environments."
World Trade Center was built between 1966 and 1973, at the height of Asbestos usage. Referring to the cleanup crew and cops at the scene in the days following. They were told the air was safe, only to find out otherwise later. Sound familiar?
"Ain't going to happen. Make a peanut butter sandwich and calm down."
Who though we would build the hydrogen highway from California to Whistler? May be a good idea, depends upon if you own Ballard stock or not. The whole point of a paradigm shift is they are difficult to predict.
"I'm sure the children have been
checked by physicians."
Who is checking up on the physicians? Who is going to do the long term monitoring of these kids, and more to the point, pay the bill. Do a web search of asbestosis mesothelioma exposure litigation and you begin to get the picture.
"still happened. This isn't exclusive to the BCA being in governance. Could happen either way."
The issue is leadership, or the lack thereof. Used to be both the Mayor's chair and parking spot were empty when Doug Drummond was collecting two paycheques from the public trough, one for mayor, another as a public school principal. Corrigan has been "double dipping" as both mayor and as part of GVRD boards, they actually get paid for showing up to meetings! Sounds like some pretty tasty rotten apples in the trough these days.
You seem to be going off the deep end again, and getting into things that are irrevalent.
If there was a Team Burnaby Mayor he or she too would be paid to go to GVRD meetings. That sort of thing is not exclusive to Corrigan.
As for the 'hydrogen highway', it will be a very long time before such a project yields common usage.
Makes for nice smileage for politicians but minimal mileage for consumers at this stage.
The comparison between WTC and the houses around Inlet Drive are a bit of a stretch since many would not have asbestos insulation since
most of the homes used Fiberglas Pink which is not composed of asbestos.
In any event, if there were asbestos around, it is enclosed and thankfully no explosions occured.
Again, you might want to consider
the implications of having too much time on your hands.
Some of the posts from the confused individual point to someone possibly clinically insane.
What do you mean possibly!!! I resemble that remark.
My confusion comes from a complete lack of leadership (moral, ethical, legal, political) in the modern world.
These issues only come into focus and under public scrutiny when some type of crisis occurs.
It may have been Corrigan and Company's bad luck to have this oil spill happen on their watch, however, with the glory comes the responsibility.
The mark and legacy of a man, as a politician and leader of a movement, is determined by the best and worst of times.
People determine their destiny by their actions, or lack thereof.
Let history and our collective posterity determine who is clincial.
Yeah- this one is going to be nasty. I don't understand why a blogger keeps asking what some other guys would have done had they been in the majority on council on in the Mayor's chair.
The fact is they weren't. Mr Corrigan was there as Mayor. Mr Johnson was there as Chair of the environment committee. And Mr Calendino.... well you know.
"Yeah- this one is going to be nasty. I don't understand why a blogger keeps asking what some other guys would have done had they been in the majority on council on in the Mayor's chair. "
The fact is they weren't. Mr Corrigan was there as Mayor. Mr Johnson was there as Chair of the environment committee. And Mr Calendino.... well you know. "
Indeed, pure hypothetical, but would the headcases who are using this unfortunate incident to rag on Corrigan, rag on their own Mayor or Council, if let's say
for example if Andrew Stewart won the Mayor's Chair?
Answer is probably not.
Purpose of the hypothesis as posted by a previous poseter? To provide a different scenario to test to see if the response would be the same. The correct answer is that if it was Corrigan or someone else, the response would be ideally equal in scope and strength.
" The mark and legacy of a man, as a politician and leader of a movement, is determined by the best and worst of times.
People determine their destiny by their actions, or lack thereof."
Very true. But it doesn't apply to just Corrigan and his erronous ways.
It applies to all politicians, BCA, Team Burnaby or Miscellaneous.
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