Saturday, August 16, 2008

Voice in the Wilderness?

The Independent Voices want your vote. Veteran civic politicos Gary Begin and Barb Spitz have teamed with first term councillor Garth Evans for this fall's civic vote.

Mayor Derek Corrigan is out already saying the BCA is the longest serving government in BC history. Councillor and likely TEAM mayoral candidate Lee Rankin emphasizes the new group's status as independents rather than as voices.

Independents in Burnaby have struggled for decades at the civic level. Nancy Harris, who served with the old Burnaby Voters' Non-Partisan Association, ran as an independent after a 2002-2005 hiatus and finished well back of the BCA and TEAM candidates. Begin, Spitz, and Evans may be getting organized but it will be a tough fight against TEAM, who will attempt to marginalize them, and the BCA, who will emphasize their inability to cooperate and their similarities with TEAM.

41 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surprise, surprise. The ball is now in Raymond Leung's court. Funny, when Raymond Leung mentioned that there were people lining up to become TB's candidate, did he ever mention himself or his daugther?

Can TB and IV become united under a consensus mayoral candidate such as Patti Sahota? Yes. But is it likely? With Raymond Leung fielding himself and his daugther against his former "allies", it is looking less likely.

The reason for IV dissent is likely going to crystallize with ascent of Lee Rankin as the next mayoral candidate. And this will finally pit Gary and Garth against Raymond and Lee. Whoever wins that contest will automatically become the true opposition party under Mayor Corrigan as it will either force Raymond and Lee or Gary and Garth into retirement.

So one questions exactly how would BCA do against TB and IV? In 2005 election, the lowest BCA candidate received 11800 votes while Lee as the highest vote total with received 16700 votes. With the five BCA councilors running for re-election, as long as IV can take 30% of the votes from TB, they will re-elect five BCA councilors and elect three rookie BCA councilors into the council.

Can incumbents pull away at least 5000 votes? In 2005 only non-partisan candidate with the highest votes got exactly that and by pulling away more those votes, with a spread of eight candidate, TB will likely elect no one if that is what they choose to do.

Nonetheless, comparing IV and BCA, which faction is more closely associated with the anti-NDP force in Burnaby. With the new candidates coming out of almost nowhere for TB, it is looking like that the party led by Raymond Leung and Lee Rankin is actually the less "partisan" faction against local NDP. IV on the other hand actually has strong BCLIB connection with more committed voters, especially true if TB wants to run Lee Rankin who used to sit as an NDP.

So one does question. What exactly has TB decided to run on? With likely no former councilors running for re-election, are they the party with enough credibility for change, or will it be IV with three city councilors running that will claim as the force for change.

I would suggest Raymond Leung taking down his pride and actually consider having its council candidates, which will have to include Lee Rankin, to run with IV, so together they can compete against strong BCA incumbents and hopefully by aligning with each other marginalize BCA. Otherwise, with BCA staying on the sideline looking at both sides cannibalizing each other, much of the damage may not be repaired.

Please appoint PATTI SAHOTA for mayor, otherwise you guys will lose by a landslide.

8/16/2008 10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My advice for IV is on the other hand to no eliminate the possibility to nominate a full plate and force Raymond Leung's hand. They need to force TB into negotiation for a bi-partisan plate for the next election and so TB does not have to pull dead weights whose votes will not more effective to elect anti-NDP candidates onto the council.

In the next election, voters will like prefer team "independents" than team "partisan" against the governing party since I must not be the only one tired of the partisan bickering. So having IV and TB full plates running against each, IV is likely going to hold the advantage going in, and they should simply force Raymond Leung and Lee Rankin into a compromise especially since Gary and Garth are ready for retirement anyway.

So I suggest IV simply run a full plate against TB and BCA. If they want to have a mayoral candidate, they should also find themselves a prominent anti-NDP independent to back, or even better, threaten TB that they will endorse the Mayor Corrigan's re-election since TB will have no chance chairing any committee anyway. Gary and Garth are well versed in politics, they should know what to do.

8/16/2008 10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for the safe BCA incumbents who will probably more involved in the provincial and federal elections since they are presumed safe, I wonder if any of them is ready for the next step. The chair of the school board will revert back to the hands of Ron Burton and the likelihood of a tighter bond between BCA and NDP is also very likely with an even stronger mandate. But I certainly hope they can understand that whoever gets elected onto the council willl have take themselves out from running for MLA next May. It is also pretty safe to say that Richard Lee should feel more than safe about their re-election with most prominent NDP figures deciding to take the safer route.

On the other hand, the success of IV and TB very much hinge at the hands of local BCLIBs. It is fine if they want to take a hands off approach to the next election. It may not matter for Richard Lee. But for Harry Bloy who pretty much put Team Burnaby together and John Nuraney who is taking on a prominent BCA figure. That may be hard to do. Rather than trying not to stir up any controversy, maybe it would actually make sense to have Harry Bloy to run for mayor as his BCLIB colleague has done if it means it can bring IV and TB together with John and Richard at his side. Otherwise, Harry Bloy's seat in the eyes of the Corrigans, is very much in trouble.

8/16/2008 10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me try to get this striaght. "Independent Voices" does not have any platform of ideas that they intend to press for if elected. They pretty much say, "Elect me. Give me a blank cheque to do whatever I want because I'm not going to tell you what I stand for." Will they publicly argue against each other in all candidate debates? Will Garth Evans, for example, publicly say that he will never accept Gary Begin's weak-kneed acceptance of ever higher tax rates? Will they perhaps even sabotage each other in their eagerness to get themselves elected? No wonder TEAM got rid of them. The only question still unanswered is who brought them in in the forst place?

The above blogger's message is curious. He continuusly uses phrases like: "They need to force TB into negotiation." and, "Threaten TB that they will endorse the Mayor Corrigan's re-election"

This doesn't sound like much of a platform but it is likely as close as they will come to one.

8/16/2008 11:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are now only three months left before the civic elections. Surely everyone understands that Garth Evans and his half-crew of whiners can never be reunited into TEAM Burnaby. Get real guys!

How long is this lamment going to continue?

8/16/2008 11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This doesn't sound like much of a platform but it is likely as close as they will come to one."

What is COPE's platform? What is VV's platform? Some elections are issue based, but is Mayor Corrigan's re-election issue based? If Raymond Leung still didnt understand why these three senior city councilors decided to wage war on him and Lee instead of pointing the gun at BCA, then TB better be ready. Gary and Garth may not be best friends, but has Raymond Leung not understood what united them?

A team with a bunch of new comers vs. a team with three city councilors, which team is more authentic? And as Lee Rankin running for TB, I hope that creation of IV has already taught him a thing or two.

Unity is the only way to win power, and if TB want to fight an unnecessary war against Gary and Garth, the casualty may be greater than he thinks. It is time to put down some pride and start repairing hurt feelings. What exactly is Raymond to gain to make enemies out of Gary and Garth?

The solution is still the same. Hold a joint plate and nominate Patti Sahota.

8/16/2008 12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The solution is still the same. Hold a joint plate and nominate Patti Sahota."

Are you for real?

8/16/2008 1:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

puppy lover of Patty Sahota is back on this blog site!

8/16/2008 2:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Are you for real?"

Trust me, a joint plate will be better than having Lee Rankin taking on Gary and Garth.

8/16/2008 2:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trust me, a nice cruise along the Inside Passage aboard one of the cruise ships would be better for the mind than the drivel coming out here.

This pup lover of Patti Sahota is a bit much.

Nancy Harris did run as an indpendednt but so did Lee Rankin
at one time.

TEAM Burnaby is hardly the benchmark for excellence in civic politics in Burnaby since they have never won a majority and have never really been tested in terms of governance in council.

Raymond Leung is not President as they have yet another person filling that role.

His daughter has never been field tested in civic politics. My guess is that she won't make it.

As for the BC Liberals, get real.

They will have enough problems in getting re-elected rather than trying to be a power sauce for civic politics.

Best way to go is just pick the candidate you want individually and throw out the slate concept.

and oh yeh, once Rankin runs for Mayor (and it's the loosest secret in Burnaby), might as well go for
Corrigan again instead.

If Rankin wins, his better half will be very busy trying to be the Baroness of Burnaby (in some respects she's already the Queen of Mean).

8/16/2008 4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Begin, Spitz, and Evans may be getting organized but it will be a tough fight against TEAM, who will attempt to marginalize them"

TEAM is already marginalized so they already have experience in being pathetic.

Is TEAM really a TEAM or is it just something for the purpose of getting Lee Rankin elected as Mayor?

Perhaps some voters will attempt to marginalize TEAM.

8/16/2008 8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So TEAM figures to win the election they have to marginalize Begin and Evans.

Pathetic. Especially when they don't seem to offer much of value
in terms of good quality candidates themselves (from reading today's Burnaby Now).

Kinda like the idiot in school who marginalizes everyone and yet can't reach a respectable level of learning himself.

It's going to be a real pathetic election this time around. From the comments here, TEAM Burnaby isn't worth the time or effort to help get elected.

Who wants a group of marginalizers and whiners representing the citizens?

8/16/2008 9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This message is for all you TEAM supporters, BC Liberals, Begin supporters, independent ego trippers etc. etc.
STOP bickering, name calling and shredding each other apart.
YOU ARE ALL LOSERS. No one is winning from any of these groups so just relax…
IT WILL BE BUSINESS AS USUAL IN BURNABY.
BCA will have a bigger majority this election. Nothing new there.
TEAM will elect a token councilor or two as usual.
The Independent airheads or shall we say desperate darlings will be sent packing home.
So all your bickering is for nothing. You are all losers. Filling this blog site with your bickering, you're endless self-important navel-gazing and inane observations. You hapless bunch of misfits….why don't you all form a circle and shoot inwards.
And that loose cannon Ron Churchill who occupies a large portion of this blog site is desperate to have some one to air his venom to as he burns bridges with every faction of the gang who can't shoot straight.. And when thwarted, he sits and broods about dark plots and hatches destructive schemes. May God give his disturbed soul some peace.
NDP is a factor only in Burnaby where the malicious and self-serving centre/right losers like you stab each other to death. Oh well, at least you have this blog site to keep yourselves busy with your infantile musings while the NDP spends its time running the city.

8/16/2008 10:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"TEAM is already marginalized so they already have experience in being pathetic."

I too tend to agree with it. TB vs. IV, which party is more marginalized? There are too many reasons to believe that IV is the party that anti-NDP voters would endorse for the council. Not only is TB running out of candidates, it is about to nominate a former NDP councilor as the mayoral candidate, that should just about kill it. And that is certainly unlucky since Harry Bloy certainly tried to leave some legacy in the civic politics through TB. It is difficult to see how voters would rather vote for unfamiliar names tagged with TB.

But putting this battle between of the elves aside, can they work together to fight against BCA's giant mayor? I think it is possible. Once, or if, Lee Rankin gets nominated, he will have to run by himself. Since he believes that he can defeat Mayor Corrigan on his own, there is also no need for TB to consider any sort of truce with IV. Funny, does Lee Rankin actually think there will be a next time however?

But it is always difficult to stop people's grab for power and anyone who thinks that people run for politics just for the sake of public service is more than naive. But at least understand where your enemies are. Having IV vs. TB to see which faction is the legitimate opposition? That is interesting to observe, but is a war unnecessary.

8/17/2008 12:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like Team-of-stars is doing what it does best. Reading these blog postings is like a dream come true for BCA. Lee's better half is at it again.

8/17/2008 1:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People don't know much about parties in civic politics and vote for someone they recognize which means Garth and Begin will probably get elected. Spitz has a small chance but all the fallout from extra candidates on the ballot will probably do her in.

As for Rankin if he runs for council he will get in but the mayor's chair might be a bit too much.

8/17/2008 1:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People don't know much about parties in civic politics and vote for someone they recognize which means Garth and Begin will probably get elected. Spitz has a small chance but all the fallout from extra candidates on the ballot will probably do her in.

Probably. Depends on how she works to get the name out and the supporters to the polls.

With the junk that seems to be presented by TEAM and the also rans in the BCA and retreads for the Indepedents, might as well toss out voting civic party and just take the best of them individually in a mix and match.

As for Rankin if he runs for council he will get in but the mayor's chair might be a bit too much.

He's already become too much as it is. He keeps dancing around on the question whether he will run for Mayor, but his running for Mayor for TEAM is pretty much a done deal. His better half is chair of the nominations committee. A bit of a conflict there.

8/17/2008 2:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have the powers at TEAM shot Ron Churchill as well? or did he just leave? Maybe he plans to run as an independent as well. I bet that's it. Lee rankin can't seem to hold onto anyone?

8/17/2008 4:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ron Churchill has been everywhere in politics (except being an NDPer)

He's a wasted vote. A big talker and not much to offer to the voter.

If you see his name on the ballot, skip down to the next one and keep going until you see a name of a person you like.

8/17/2008 4:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please appoint PATTI SAHOTA for mayor, otherwise you guys will lose by a landslide."

Patti Sahota isn't 'appointed'. She will have to earn a nomination
if she is to earn even a small amount of credibility.

Candidates and their supporters who think the Candidate deserve to be appointed are fools. If they can't get through a nomination within their own party, then they
are not worthy of voter support.

as far as TEAM Burnaby (read "Team Rankin") they are hardly a benchmark for excellence in politics. They are a disaster. No name candidates, toomuch on non civic governance subjects such as multiculturalism (very easy for the federal Liberal element to run on) one incumbent who is fancy dancing around the idea of running for mayor and a group of marginal level supporters who figure the best thing TEAM Burnaby could do is marginalize their opposition, and they are now on their second president in less than 10 months.

Certainly not a high quality group worthy of their candidates being the majority on council.

Select your candidate for vote on the basis of what they will do individually for Burnaby, not what they will do for themselves or their civic party.

8/17/2008 6:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

one incumbent who is fancy dancing around the idea of running for mayor

I guess you are taking about Lee Rankin. There does seem to be a bit of a dance going on there. However I doubt he will run. That leaves another very big hole to fill. Probably why they are issuing media advisories about candidates like Anna Teranna, but nothing on possible mayor hopefuls.

8/17/2008 8:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Candidates and their supporters who think the Candidate deserve to be appointed are fools. If they can't get through a nomination within their own party, then they
are not worthy of voter support.

as far as TEAM Burnaby (read "Team Rankin") they are hardly a benchmark for excellence in politics. They are a disaster. No name candidates, toomuch on non civic governance subjects such as multiculturalism (very easy for the federal Liberal element to run on) one incumbent who is fancy dancing around the idea of running for mayor and a group of marginal level supporters who figure the best thing TEAM Burnaby could do is marginalize their opposition, and they are now on their second president in less than 10 months."

Appoint as in letting Patti Sahota go through the nomination coronation and have others positioned to maximize the support against BCA.

I hold no ill feeling towards TB. But TB is taking on seven incumbents at once and they claim that IV is the party that's been marginalized with a mayoral candidate that not a single councilor would endorse. But Lee Rankin believes he can single handedly, literally, defeat Mayor Corrigan, and I guess with strong enough belief, dream hopefully will come true.

Garth and Gary would have endorsed either Harry Bloy or Patti Sahota as a mayoral candidate. And there is also no requirement for Harry Bloy to have to give up his re-election for a cabinet post in Victoria just to run against Corrigan.

But the problem from the beginning was simple. There is no such thing as power vacuum for NDP given their partisan nature. TB had a councilor that sided with BCA, one independent and one anti-NDP sitting with each other many times not voting in unison. Harry Bloy should have centralized power, but didnt and the endresult is you see the winning faction and the losing faction parted way creating two different camps running to become opposition to the government. And for voters who are simply choosing opposition, they will likely go with the more familiar and safer choices and the advantages are already clear.

Therefore, BCLIB has to unite both factions and had they stepped in earlier, Garth and his BCLIB buddies would have dominated the party leadership, yet they have decided to let Lee Rankin and Raymond Leung dominate and at the end this is what you get.

It does not matter if it's any of the sitting BLCIB MLA's or Patti Sahota, any of will be able to do the job, even though John Nuraney is more occupied with the nomination of the mayor's wife. BCLIB has really two choices.

One, they can keep their hands off and have its supporters split votes themselves, and if that happens, they will be more likely to vote for IV rather than TB if it is to be led by Lee Rankin. This will lead to likely a wipe out of any anti-NDP support on the council and BCLIB may have to kiss some of its MLA's in the city goodbye.

But, they have the other choice. which is to pick side and endorse TB, and then unify both groups so power vacuum is no more. By unifying the anti-NDP votes and having a joint nomination with a consensus mayor choice, BCLIB at least will be able to unify the votes for change. And that will also be the only option to have Mayor Corrigan unseated.

The nomination will happen with a month anyway, so we should see what happens, especially now that TB is just about to show their hands which may very well determine their political future. We should see soon enough.

8/17/2008 8:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Appoint as in letting Patti Sahota go through the nomination coronation and have others positioned to maximize the support against BCA. "

Yeh right, as if that's going to happen. Just let Patti Sahota have the mayoralty nomination and no one else. What qualifies her to bypass the democratic choosing of who is the mayoralty candidate by the members attending a nomination meeting?

"I hold no ill feeling towards TB. But TB is taking on seven incumbents at once and they claim that IV is the party that's been marginalized with a mayoral candidate that not a single councilor would endorse."

Well what does TB expect? to be just given the governance of the city? They will have to earn it.

There is no mayoral candidate within the Independent Voices.

"But Lee Rankin believes he can single handedly, literally, defeat Mayor Corrigan, and I guess with strong enough belief, dream hopefully will come true. "

So will nightmares.


"Garth and Gary would have endorsed either Harry Bloy or Patti Sahota as a mayoral candidate."

Harry Bloy as a mayor candidate? Surely you jest. That guy has no widespread appeal and he has a bad habit of power playing.


And there is also no requirement for Harry Bloy to have to give up his re-election for a cabinet post in Victoria just to run against Corrigan. "

No, but if he had won, he would have step down as MLA immedidately thereafter.

But why would anyone vote for that guy as mayor? He would be worse than Corrigan for arrogance.

"But the problem from the beginning was simple. There is no such thing as power vacuum for NDP given their partisan nature. TB had a councilor that sided with BCA, one independent and one anti-NDP sitting with each other many times not voting in unison. Harry Bloy should have centralized power, but didnt and the endresult is you see the winning faction and the losing faction parted way creating two different camps running to become opposition to the government."

Harry Bloy should have kept his face out of it to begin with. He's an MLA not a guru that every Burnaby voter wants.

"And for voters who are simply choosing opposition, they will likely go with the more familiar and safer choices and the advantages are already clear. "

True, and that will bump off alot of the TB candidates since they are not familiar to the main ordinary voter in Burnaby.

"Therefore, BCLIB has to unite both factions and had they stepped in earlier, Garth and his BCLIB buddies would have dominated the party leadership, yet they have decided to let Lee Rankin and Raymond Leung dominate and at the end this is what you get."

Well so what? The BC Liberals have no business in meddling with civic politics, unless they form their own subset civic party within their own provincial party. Team Burnaby is not a subset of the BC Liberals.

and besides given Campbells idiotic moves lately why would Team Burnaby want to be affronted with the BC Liberals? If it was my vote I'd say no, keep the BC Liberals away.

The BC Liberals don't *have to* do anything.

"It does not matter if it's any of the sitting BLCIB MLA's or Patti Sahota, any of will be able to do the job, even though John Nuraney is more occupied with the nomination of the mayor's wife."

How so? John isn't a member of the NDP. If Katy Corrigan does win the nomination, then John will have to convince the voters he's worthy of a third term.



BCLIB has really two choices.

"One, they can keep their hands off and have its supporters split votes themselves, and if that happens, they will be more likely to vote for IV rather than TB if it is to be led by Lee Rankin. This will lead to likely a wipe out of any anti-NDP support on the council and BCLIB may have to kiss some of its MLA's in the city goodbye. "

Yeah so?

But, they have the other choice. which is to pick side and endorse TB, and then unify both groups so power vacuum is no more. By unifying the anti-NDP votes and having a joint nomination with a consensus mayor choice, BCLIB at least will be able to unify the votes for change. And that will also be the only option to have Mayor Corrigan unseated. "

Why would they go for a new civic party that is going down the toilet?

The nomination will happen with a month anyway, so we should see what happens, especially now that TB is just about to show their hands which may very well determine their political future. We should see soon enough.

Indeed. It will be boring.

Just be smart and pick and choose your candidates from BCA, the Independents and perhaps if worthy of it, one Team Burnaby member, but
not Rankin for Mayor. The last thing Burnaby needs is Rankin's better half wanting to be the Baroness of Burnaby.

8/17/2008 10:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" guess you are taking about Lee Rankin. There does seem to be a bit of a dance going on there. However I doubt he will run. That leaves another very big hole to fill. Probably why they are issuing media advisories about candidates like Anna Teranna, but nothing on possible mayor hopefuls."

Anna Teranna isn't much of a candidate to begin with. She's an old federal Liberal Party hack who has had her day. She doesn't have much to offer Joe and Mary Sixpack who live on Clinton Street on the South Slope.

8/17/2008 10:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There does appear to be some serious issues with leadership and conflict of interest in TB. And this is the group that wants to run the city?

8/17/2008 10:18 PM  
Anonymous SplitsEnds said...

Too bad Garth isn't up for a run at the mayors chair. Better to take the safer route of a seat on council than be expected to provide leadership.

Does anybody remember Gary being put on the ballot for TEAM after the departure of an elected candidate. Could he be the one behind IV as he knows he could never get on Team's ballot again?

Does anybody know the name of a good hair dresser? There is one other IV who needs that info.

8/17/2008 11:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ron Churchill has been everywhere in politics (except being an NDPer)

He's a wasted vote. A big talker and not much to offer to the voter.

If you see his name on the ballot, skip down to the next one and keep going until you see a name of a person you like.

--------------------------------

Does Burnaby vote for Dog Catcher nowadays?

8/18/2008 12:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barb Spitz should change her name. She is too far down the list on the ballot.

8/18/2008 12:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burnaby needs to see how Derek Corrigan leads when he does NOT have a majority on council. That would prove his mettle as a leader, and put him in good stead for an MP nomination down the road.

My guess?
Three BCA, three IV and two TB.

Is everyone happy, now?

8/18/2008 11:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you saying that Colleen or Nick will be defeated? Will any of the three parties be happy? If life could be that simple. Anna leading the party against Mayor Corrigan or Lee leading the party against Corrigan, it does not really matter, if they cannot find something or someone that IV can agree with, their fate will continue to be the same.

How can people voting for change when the alternative is equally old. And where is Mayor Corrigan going after his third term? By leading such a strong NDP team on the council and family and friends in Victoria, it is almost without question he is next in line to succeed Peter Julian.

If however, TB has decided to go at it alone, the battle between IV vs. TB will be alot more interesting to observe to see which team will go into extinction first. For those hoping to see a split, unless there is a joint nomination, why would someone want to split eight votes among three parties? Those who are partisan based will not, and independents will vote based on namesake. But guess what, maybe the voters should make everyone happy and elect a "fair representation" onto the council, but reality is rarely popular.

8/18/2008 1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go Team Burnaby!!!

The real goal here is to have a change in office and lead with experience.

We have been ruined by politicians being puppeteered by unions and special interest groups.

The facts speak for themselves.

We need Team Burnaby to win. There is no other option.

-- Team Burnaby Supporter

8/18/2008 1:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The real goal here is to have a change in office and lead with experience."
Many do agree with that concept. But the hallowness of it is simply unbearable. Lee Rankin is running on hopes, and therewill always be hope. It is something else to turn a hope into reality. But I guess you are right, if it is really between Lee Rankin and Mayor Corrigan, we really have no other option.

8/18/2008 2:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go Team Burnaby!!!

The real goal here is to have a change in office and lead with experience.


What experience? There isn't any.

We have been ruined by politicians being puppeteered by unions and special interest groups.

Team Burnaby has been ruined by a few manipulative power hungry people.


The facts speak for themselves.

We need Team Burnaby to win. There is no other option.

Yes there is. A good mix of the best of the candidates, regardless
of any perceived affilation

Put Team Burnaby at the bottom of your list when it comes to choose.

8/18/2008 4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Are you saying that Colleen or Nick will be defeated?"

Colleen might, but Volkow won't be.

"Will any of the three parties be happy? If life could be that simple."

Well if Team Burnaby would disappear then political life in Burnaby would be simple.


"Anna leading the party against Mayor Corrigan or Lee leading the party against Corrigan, it does not really matter"

Yes it does. The Mayor candidate is usually the one front and centre in leading the party.

"if they cannot find something or someone that IV can agree with, their fate will continue to be the same. "

If that occurs, Team Burnaby have only themselves to blame.

"How can people voting for change when the alternative is equally old."

Anna Teranna is old.


And where is Mayor Corrigan going after his third term? By leading such a strong NDP team on the council and family and friends in Victoria, it is almost without question he is next in line to succeed Peter Julian. "

Not nessesarily. He can easily spend more time with his law practice and he would not try to defeat Julian if Julian goes for another term.

"If however, TB has decided to go at it alone, the battle between IV vs. TB will be alot more interesting to observe to see which team will go into extinction first."

Team Burnaby is headed that way now.



For those hoping to see a split, unless there is a joint nomination, why would someone want to split eight votes among three parties?

"Not going to happen. A Joint Nomination is out of the question since there would have to be some comprises."

It's also not a 'split' it is more of electing those who the voter thinks can best represent the citizens at the council table.



Those who are partisan based will not, and independents will vote based on namesake. But guess what, maybe the voters should make everyone happy and elect a "fair representation" onto the council, but reality is rarely popular.

Indeed, the truth can hurt.

Vote for the best candidates on the basis of looking at each one individually and don't waste time on the civic partisan junk. Don't vote for mediocre candidates go for those who have actuallyn served Burnaby as a whole and not some special intrest group or themselves.

8/18/2008 5:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be nice to see Volkow otherwise known as the Burnaby Blowhard voted out.
We need some new blood.

8/19/2008 11:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be nice to see Volkow otherwise known as the Burnaby Blowhard voted out.
We need some new blood.

If you want new blood, it has to be
free of infections.

The "new blood" offered by Team Burnaby isn't exactly the best quality.

If administered, it will send the
city into convulsions and later paralysis.

8/20/2008 10:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about Dan Johnston, long-time chair of the city finance committee?

I see tax hikes! Yikes!

8/20/2008 4:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nick Volkow will win. Maybe not because he is the smartest, certainly not beause he is the most educated. He will win because he has heart and he cares about his community.

8/20/2008 8:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about Dan Johnston, long-time chair of the city finance committee?

I see tax hikes! Yikes!

Well genius, a little tax hike isn't going to hurt if it pays for
much needed community services and projects (like let's say more community city provided services for our homeless and those in need?)

Costs associated with running any city go up. If the taxes and fees together don't keep up and if the spending isn't kept in check, then there will be fiscal problems down the road.

Dan Johnston will also probably return to council.

If Team Burnaby would find some better candidates then perhaps Burnaby wouldn't see as many BCA
candidates elected.

But it also goes that Team Burnaby will be to blame for the re-election of the BCA.

8/20/2008 10:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Burnaby voters clearly love their tax hikes
Sounds like a winning formula to me.

Keep up the good work.
Rah rah.

8/24/2008 2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Burnaby voters clearly love their tax hikes
Sounds like a winning formula to me.

Keep up the good work.
Rah rah.

and what's your solution to increased inflationary costs to the city, genius?

Few citizens would complain about a 2% to 5% tax increase if the basis was to able to provide much needed services to the city.

The city has to pay for services and those costs go up, just like your DuMauriers and Molson Beer.

It's either raise taxes slightly, or cut back on something.

Your call, genius.

8/24/2008 4:30 PM  

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