Tuesday, May 22, 2007

Looking for a new Pynenburg

Liberal leader Stephane Dion is down at the New Westminster Quay later this morning for a photo op relating to social housing.

Maybe while he is down there he can find a few more potential candidates for the Burnaby-New Westminster nomination.

19 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just run already, Gary Evans....

5/22/2007 12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I predict this post will be the only mention of Stephane Dion's visit in the local press.

And the only time I ever heard of Gary Evans.

5/22/2007 12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is Gary Evans?

If Dion wants possible contenders for Bby New Westminster, just have him look at the river.

Should be a few logs floating by around this time of year.

5/22/2007 8:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Correction.....Garth Evans.

5/22/2007 9:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Garth wouldn't run if there's an election this fall. It would probably mean a civic by-election to fill the seat since the next civic election is in November, 2008, and for him to cost taxpayers money for higher political ground would not mean his success at the polls.

One idiot MLA was thinking of doing that, but that guy hopefully has the smarts to stay put and not be a cost to taxpayers any more than he already has been.

Garth is a good guy, but not federal MP material.

Seems the federal Liberals are looking for a magical candidate that for them, doesn't exist.

5/23/2007 7:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is the last time a federal MP material actually challenged NDP incumbents in Burnaby, especially when that party recycles the same candidate three times, and the "idiot" MLA will be replaced soon enough.

I do not believe that you need to resign to run for federal MP, by law anyway.

The only anti-NDP councillor in Burnaby that has a shot is Garth Evans, he will probably take the safe route and seek re-election, but he certainly has a shot against Peter Julian.

5/25/2007 12:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"When is the last time a federal MP material actually challenged NDP incumbents in Burnaby, especially when that party recycles the same candidate three times, and the "idiot" MLA will be replaced soon enough."

There's only one "idiot" MLA, and
who knows who that is. (It ain't
John Nuraney).

"I do not believe that you need to resign to run for federal MP, by law anyway. "

Not by law, but there is no way a person can do both ("double dipping") and it would most certainly cause a civic by-election which costs alot of money, and if it was caused by someone who wants to step up in income, that wanna be MP would be a once-was candidate pretty quickly.

The public certainly wouldn't stand for it.

"The only anti-NDP councillor in Burnaby that has a shot is Garth Evans, he will probably take the safe route and seek re-election, but he certainly has a shot against Peter Julian."

Garth is a bit soft, he's new to politics, he hasn't completed his rookie season yet.

Besides, it's not Peter Julian as a person that is the problem. It's the NDP as a very well organized political entity.

If anyone thinks the Team Burnaby campaign can take on the NDP federally, they are being misled.

If Garth ran, best advice is to get people who actually know what they are doing, and leave the Team Burnaby campaign management to where they belong. In a box at the
south end of Byrne Road at the Fraser River.

Burnaby is littered with the carcasses of well meaning, but poorly organized campaigns that tried to take on the NDP and lost.

The NDP goes after their opposition like a hungry pit bull would go after a piece of raw meat.

The screams in agonzing pain from the campaign victims are enough for anyone to quit poltics.

Gives the toughest volunteers who have seen it all the shakes and can cause a few to lose their lunch when they look at the carcass when the time comes to cover it with a white sheet.

5/25/2007 8:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually looks like there's three articles in the NewsLeader that mention Dion:

here: http://www.burnabynewsleader.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=41&cat=23&id=990613&more=0

here: http://www.burnabynewsleader.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=41&cat=23&id=990608&more=1

and even in this one: http://www.burnabynewsleader.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=41&cat=23&id=990609&more=1

5/26/2007 11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Federal Liberal leader Stephane Dion was in New Westminster Tuesday morning and used the backdrop of the Fraser River to call for Ottawa to pay for dike construction and dredging of the river. "

“This is something that could be very tragic for many citizens and their property,” said Dion. “I call on the [Conservative] government to do much more in preparedness.”

We called upon the federal Liberals to bring out more money for these things when Martin and Chretien were PM's but they didn't do anything.

"Dion was the federal environment minister in 2005 when he visited the lake and saw firsthand the need for the $30-million project, which will remove the silt that is gradually filling it in and turn it into a world-class rowing facility. "

Again, the federal Liberals didn't do anything.

"He was speaking following a discussion with representatives from Lower Mainland housing co-operatives about the issue at Pine Ridge Co-operative in the Forest Grove neighbourhood of Burnaby. Once the Liberals form a government they plan to create a strategy on how to deal with the need for social housing, largely based on similar discussions across the country, he said. "

Again, more talk and no action, a bad habit that the federal Liberals have, except when giving money to their friends and insiders.

The social housing issue should have been fixed with help from the federal government 10 years ago, but wasn't. All they did was talk, and seems this time is going to be no different if the federal Liberals return to government.

The strategies have been studied to death. Now it's money time.

5/26/2007 3:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually that is not true, someone from New Westminster served out his term as city councillor after getting elected as MLA, (2x the pay too).

For Burnaby Douglas, it looks like the conservatives may have a high profile candidate coming out of the nomination and with uninspiring Bill Siksay having no base support whatsoever, with northern MLA's starting to associate themselves with the tories, I expect a "surprise" in that riding.

I would say the dog fight is happening more in the south. The NDP organization is amazing in that part. The only liberals wanting to run in the riding are the ones with a vegeance and want the enemies to go down in flame from past dealings.

Garth is a fresh face, and I would say that if TEAM BURNABY wants to win the mayoral race, they better nominate someone who is fresh and with experiences, like our Victoria counterpart. Better if fellow councillors, Rankin & Co., wiped out of the nomination plate and nominate have a U40 team. As Garth in the MP race, I say he can easily attract those grassroot votes that traditionally go NDP and has more credibility to convince people of Julian's incompetence without sounding angry. If I were a liberal I would definitely save myself from embarassment by blocking landslide
McClurg from winning the nomination with all my might.

5/27/2007 9:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Actually that is not true, someone from New Westminster served out his term as city councillor after getting elected as MLA, (2x the pay too)."

That would be Puchmayer, but that occured in 2005. The civic elction
occured in 2005 so there wasn't much of a time difference (May 2005 he was elected, the civic election occured in November 2005, a six month difference, and the Legislature did not sit during the summer that year) as there would be with someone trying to step up from civic to federal now,
since the span would be a year at least. The next civic election is in November 2008, with a federal election probably in the fall of 2007, so it would mean a by-election which would be costly, and the move from civic to federal would be really suspect.

"For Burnaby Douglas, it looks like the conservatives may have a high profile candidate coming out of the nomination and with uninspiring Bill Siksay having no base support whatsoever, with northern MLA's starting to associate themselves with the tories, I expect a "surprise" in that riding."

Don't be too sure about that. It's not Siskay, its the NDP organization that wins the campaigns. What may happen is that Siskay will have his vote volume reduced, but watch that riding to be kept by the NDP. They, unlike the federal Liberals and Conservatives over there don't like to lose, and will stop at nothing to keep the riding.

"I would say the dog fight is happening more in the south. The NDP organization is amazing in that part."

No it's not. It's been around since the early 1980s. The NDP
unlike the federal parties and Team Burnaby know what it takes to win. The federal parties have tried
alot better than Team Burnaby to try and take out the NDP. The BC Liberals in Burnaby are a joke.

"The only liberals wanting to run in the riding are the ones with a vegeance and want the enemies to go down in flame from past dealings. "

The only liberals wanting to run are a joke.

"Garth is a fresh face, and I would say that if TEAM BURNABY wants to win the mayoral race, they better nominate someone who is fresh and with experiences, like our Victoria counterpart. Better if fellow councillors, Rankin & Co., wiped out of the nomination plate and nominate have a U40 team.

Whatever a U40 team is, is unknown, but hopefully without the
antics of BB and his 7 o'clock shadow, MR, since neither are a gift to campaigning, and the campaigns would be better off without them.

"As Garth in the MP race, I say he can easily attract those grassroot votes that traditionally go NDP and has more credibility to convince people of Julian's incompetence without sounding angry. "

Not nessesarily. The NDP pretty much stick to their own guy and rarely if ever cross the floor.

Julian has won over more than a few people. His recent actions with the firefighters is a definate winner. But overall the guy is bland and most of the time he has no idea what he is talking about.


"If I were a liberal I would definitely save myself from embarassment by blocking landslide
McClurg from winning the nomination with all my might. "

If I were a liberal, I'd take a look at what the federal Liberals had done to my country and the party, vomit and then, once recovered from kneeling in front of the toilet to dump out the stomach contents through the mouth, tear up my membership card, throw it into the Glad garbage bag, and then become a member of a party that actually stands for something, either an NDPer or a Conservative.

5/27/2007 9:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so you want an u40 candidate in Burnaby?
this prompted a bit of research and here is the info for the commentator;
Burnaby councillors ( of all stripes) are all 50 plus, with the exception of Dan Johnston who is under 50. besides Johnston, Councillor Rankin is the youngest at 53.

Now for the TEAM Burnaby elected candidates;

Gary Begin is 65
Garth Evans is 58
Lee Rankin is 53.
that makes Mr. Rankin the youngest elected member of TEAM Burnaby. guess his grey hair makes him look older. He certainly has the most experience and is the wisest among the dismal lot.

5/29/2007 1:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Anon. I was wondering just how old Lee was. In spite of the hair color I thought 50 or 52. Just coming into his prime.

I looked up Bby South High School Yearbooks at the BPL recently and saw Gary Begin graduating in the 1959 Yearbook - so 65 yr. should be about right. Big surprise was Barbara Spitz's picture (nee Woodbridge) there also among the graduates. She looked very beautiful so maybe she was a prodigy and only 12 or 13 at the time.

5/29/2007 7:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"this prompted a bit of research and here is the info for the commentator;
Burnaby councillors ( of all stripes) are all 50 plus, with the exception of Dan Johnston who is under 50. besides Johnston, Councillor Rankin is the youngest at 53. "

Yeah so? SInce when does age matter in this day and age?

Look aty how old and wrinkly Jean
Chretein was during the late 1990's. Paul Martin was supposed to be a "youthful fresh face".

He ended up being a disaster.

"Now for the TEAM Burnaby elected candidates;

Gary Begin is 65
Garth Evans is 58
Lee Rankin is 53.
that makes Mr. Rankin the youngest elected member of TEAM Burnaby. guess his grey hair makes him look older. He certainly has the most experience and is the wisest among the dismal lot."

Depends on what "wisest" is. Rankin
has made some political errors, and
he is connected to some really power hungry people. Nice guy though.

You're also forgetting all of them have served in the community for a very long time.

The last thing Burnaby needs is
incompentent people who want power
rather than wanting to serve the community.

Age doesn't matter. It's just a number.

Doug Evans was old and wrinkly but served the community very well.

I'd rather vote for an old coot with experience rather than some hot headed 20 something or whatever who figures he or she has the world by the tail.

Seen too many of those who want to
move fast go down in flames and crash to the ground.

Then it comes for the campaign forensic team to go out and pick up the pieces, and complete the investigation.

5/29/2007 9:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lee Rankin is 53? That's a surprised as he has been a councillor since 1983, for 24 years. I am sure he was pretty hot-headed when he was first elected at 20 something.

Sort of shocked to see Dan Johnson being 50 and he is gonna hit the golden 60's by the time he runs for re-election. If he is barred by his inexperience and never jump in the race, I would say he will never have another shot at this.

I would say that it is time for TEAM BURNABY to consider recruiting young talents and market themselves as the "reformers" and have most of these nice old men stepping back to their family life and let other people enjoy the process, or try something "better".

Can Gary Begin a lifelong liberal take on Peter Julian, certainly he can? Maybe he should do it at least once, cuz staying on city council listening to the ex-communist party complaining about world peace is really not much fun.

5/30/2007 10:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would say that it is time for TEAM BURNABY to consider recruiting young talents and market themselves as the "reformers" and have most of these nice old men stepping back to their family life and let other people enjoy the process, or try something "better".

Well they can start by tossing out
BB and MR and Churchill's so-called
Dream Team and get some real talent in there that knows what they are doing, and have Team Burnaby actually accomplish something rather than be an easy
cheque-ride for incompentent people.



"Can Gary Begin a lifelong liberal take on Peter Julian, certainly he can? Maybe he should do it at least once, cuz staying on city council listening to the ex-communist party complaining about world peace is really not much fun."

Who says Gary Begin is a life-long
liberal? Cite?

he did endorse Pyenenburg and much earlier, Susan French (Gordon Wilson's sister), but that was more in regards to friends rather than the party.

5/30/2007 8:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who would endorse Pyenenburg has gotta be a life-long liberal, seriously.

But let's not forget about the provincial politics when we are talking about Lee & Co. vs NDPers. After all, on both level, it has always been it's either NDP or not NDP kinda politics. Federally, given the votes received by NDP, there is no way NDP is going to send one of their own if there is a run-off system in Burnaby. And they have been leveraging this strengh of theirs on municipal politics, but as you can see, NDP fail miserably on provincial politics.

The "neutrality" of the MLA's on municipal politics from the liberal sides is slowly changing. Both nothern MLA's are starting to become more grassroot, and the large immigrantion community doesnt even realize who the NDP immigration critic is.

This is in contrast to Peter Julian's style who is more engaged at the "in your face" sort of campaigning and that has helped taken out Gordon's appointed Minister of nowhereland, and even got close to taking back the CBD of the city where the business owners fought the battle of their lives to avoid an NDP gain. That riding however is expected to go NDP if they put up Mr. Yao back as Carole James has done help moderating the image of her party.

Back to municipal politics however, the only way that Lee & Co. can take back the council is, in plain words, form some sort of alliance with MLA. Team Burnaby members can agree to endorse each of them in return as councillors and ask for them to handpick their own candidates to "appoint" to the election plate and in return ask them to endorse Lee as the Mayor to be against the big party boss mayor. It is expected various of the NDP councillors will run against BC Liberals anyways, so might as well start planning now. Since Peter Julian is expected to run the municipal campaign full time, what's against these three MLA's helping out their fellow councillors on a part-time basis.

Like I said, in the past provincial MLA's tend to stay out fo the municipal race, especially in PoCo where Mike Farnworth tries his best not to become the puppet-master behind an entirely "non-partisan" city council. But things are changing now in Burnaby as each MLA is already feeling the heat from NDP. I would say with the municiapl race only a year away, they better think early and stop waiting on the defensive, otherwise none of these MLA's may not survive NDP's strong and growing presence in Burnaby, and it cant be more obvious on the provincial level.

5/31/2007 2:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anyone who would endorse Pyenenburg has gotta be a life-long liberal, seriously."

Not nessesarily. Endorsements can
be won from community leaders who aren't formally tied to any party.

But personally, I don't put much
weight into endorsements. I'm more
interested in the candidate than the publicity seeking endorsees.



"But let's not forget about the provincial politics when we are talking about Lee & Co. vs NDPers. After all, on both level, it has always been it's either NDP or not NDP kinda politics. Federally, given the votes received by NDP, there is no way NDP is going to send one of their own if there is a run-off system in Burnaby."

There wouldn't be a run-off system
in Burnaby, since changes to civic
voting requires amendments to applicable acts.

"And they have been leveraging this strengh of theirs on municipal politics, but as you can see, NDP fail miserably on provincial politics. "

Only a short time thing. in 2001,
the NDP was shovelled out simply because of Glen Clark. In 2005,
the NDP made inroads, but Burnaby
has never been an area where the
opposition (read Conservative/Liberal) have a solid
standing. It wouldn't take much to
bump off Richard and Harry.

"The "neutrality" of the MLA's on municipal politics from the liberal sides is slowly changing. Both nothern MLA's are starting to become more grassroot, and the large immigrantion community doesnt even realize who the NDP immigration critic is."

The MLA's don't factor much in municipal politics and they should not.

"This is in contrast to Peter Julian's style who is more engaged at the "in your face" sort of campaigning and that has helped taken out Gordon's appointed Minister of nowhereland, and even got close to taking back the CBD of the city where the business owners fought the battle of their lives to avoid an NDP gain. That riding however is expected to go NDP if they put up Mr. Yao back as Carole James has done help moderating the image of her party."

Minister of nowwhereland is who?

"Back to municipal politics however, the only way that Lee & Co. can take back the council is, in plain words, form some sort of alliance with MLA."

Would not happen.

"Team Burnaby members can agree to endorse each of them in return as councillors and ask for them to handpick their own candidates to "appoint" to the election plate

Sorry would not happen. It's up
to the membership to decide who gets to be a candidate, not any
backroom dealing and wheeling. That was done leading up to the 2005 civic election within Team Burnaby and the result was political disaster.

If Team Burnaby or anyone else decides the MLA's would have a say on appointed candidates, you would
have a very low pool of volunteers very fast.

"and in return ask them to endorse Lee as the Mayor to be against the big party boss mayor."

Why Lee and not someone else? Who decides? Again, it's up to the membership, and Lee would have to walk the walk to win the support he needs to secure a nomination. If he can't do that, then there's no reason for him to be bothering
being a candidate (if you can't win the endorsement of your own party, you're wasting the volunteer's time).

"It is expected various of the NDP councillors will run against BC Liberals anyways, so might as well start planning now. Since Peter Julian is expected to run the municipal campaign full time, what's against these three MLA's helping out their fellow councillors on a part-time basis. "

Peter would not be running the muncipal campaign full time, since he is too busy being MP. What you will see is many of his volunteers working the civic election for the BCA, but that's not exclusive to Julian. The BCA moves around all three levels of elections.

"Like I said, in the past provincial MLA's tend to stay out fo the municipal race, especially in PoCo where Mike Farnworth tries his best not to become the puppet-master behind an entirely "non-partisan" city council. But things are changing now in Burnaby as each MLA is already feeling the heat from NDP."

Nothing wrong with that. They should feel the heat from the NDP.
A good MLA knows how to handle it.

This isn't 2001 where there was virtually no NDP force to speak of.

Welcome to the real arena of politics in Burnaby.

"I would say with the municiapl race only a year away, they better think early and stop waiting on the defensive, otherwise none of these MLA's may not survive NDP's strong and growing presence in Burnaby, and it cant be more obvious on the provincial level."

Nothing new there. If the BC Liberal MLA's can't figure out how they can get re-elected, that's their problem. The bigger problem is that they have been relying on poor grade help for too long from
people who think they know everything and the reality is that they actually don't.

Richard and John do have access to real experienced campaign talent, if they really want it. They should have real experienced help checking in, rather than overpaid
incompentent help chequing out.

5/31/2007 6:36 PM  
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