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TEAM Burnaby is in the news again with more candidates.
One of their surprise council candidates may be Lee Rankin, who has regularly been rumoured as TEAM's mayoral hopeful. Without Rankin or independent councillor Garth Evans seeking the mayoralty, Derek Corrigan's re-election would be even more likely.
One of their surprise council candidates may be Lee Rankin, who has regularly been rumoured as TEAM's mayoral hopeful. Without Rankin or independent councillor Garth Evans seeking the mayoralty, Derek Corrigan's re-election would be even more likely.
posted by Robert Burnaby at 6:17 PM
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Hmm..other than the former MP, none of them seems fit for public office. Does not really matter anyways since very few or none will be elected, so the comparison with the other plates will not be necessary.
My opinion on Lee Rankin is different however. If he does not have "them", excuse my language, to run for mayor, who exactly is he backing? It is virtually impossible for TB to run without a mayoral candidate without looking like a fringe party. Not to mention they will be taking one SEVEN incumbents all at the same time.
If it is Patti Sahota that unites the anti-NDP factions, then Mayor Corrigan's re-election is far from a sure thing. The rivalry between TB members I hope will be a thing in the past and I certainly hope to see Lee Rankin who has been faithfully voting against our socialist Mayor Corrigan re-elected. I am still hopeful for a surprise unity plate.
More dependence on Patti Sahota again. When will this puppy love
soppy story end?
It's always been a sure bet that Rankin would run for Council. He has a statistically better chance of keeping his Council seat than if he figured he had the balls to take on Corrgian or even have the balls to be mayor, which is a good thing since Corrigan and the BCA would tear him apart anyway.
They just might even if ol' Lee decides to go for council once again.
Anyone ever see two trial lawyers who don'tlike each other go at it in politics? It isn't pretty.
The gore left from the fight is enough to make even the most iron willed and battle hardned politico
vomit in disgust. It can be enough to throw away the resources and quit the business and take up being
a school crossing guard instead.
There won't be any surpise unity plate. Lines have been crossed, people have been politically stabbed and a few have gone their seperate ways.
Rankin will get re-elected again, since he was the top vote getter.
"There won't be any surpise unity plate. Lines have been crossed, people have been politically stabbed and a few have gone their seperate ways.
Rankin will get re-elected again, since he was the top vote getter."
We all know Lee Rankin had always wanted to defeat Mayor Corrigan, for a very long time. Why would he drag out of his intention to run for re-election when it is only 10 days away from nomination? Same goes for his intention to run for another office. You may be right, because shall he decide to run for the mayor, it is not only Mayor Corrigan and his socialist friends who wants his head.
But he and his friends including TB executives such as Anne to take on the Garth Evans and the local BCLIB faction. Garth and his faction have decided to stay "independent" of the battle b/w TB and BCA(or as some may say BCA massacre on TB). But are they really? Who did the TB executives stab in the back, certainly not Mayor Corrigan. For they to believe that a unity is not required will be too naive. If IV does elect one or two councilors onto the council instead of , one can be sure all these TB members can forget about being relevant in the local politics for a very long time.
I still think unity plate is possible. If you think the conflict between Lee Rankin and Mayor Corrigan is bad? But let us not forget Lee and Garth stabbed each other in the back. And with Garth's influence to convince former three of the top four TB candidates in 2005 election to run as a team, that should tell you who Garth would rather see lose. If there is not pre-election unity, post-election unity will likely only happen in fairy tales.
"We all know Lee Rankin had always wanted to defeat Mayor Corrigan, for a very long time."
No kidding.
"Why would he drag out of his intention to run for re-election when it is only 10 days away from nomination?"
Stupid politics. Stupid politicians do stupid politics.
he should be playing up running for Council rather than playing games.
"Same goes for his intention to run for another office. You may be right, because shall he decide to run for the mayor, it is not only Mayor Corrigan and his socialist friends who wants his head.
"There's a few others that are not NDPers that could be sharpening the
axe too."
"But he and his friends including TB executives such as Anne to take on the Garth Evans and the local BCLIB faction. Garth and his faction have decided to stay "independent" of the battle b/w TB and BCA(or as some may say BCA massacre on TB)."
Well that was Team Burnaby's doing and they're to blame for it. They started playing politics and this is what happens.
"But are they really? Who did the TB executives stab in the back, certainly not Mayor Corrigan. For they to believe that a unity is not required will be too naive. If IV does elect one or two councilors onto the council instead of , one can be sure all these TB members can forget about being relevant in the local politics for a very long time. "
If it happens, so what? Team Burnaby got themselves into this mess in the first place. There's no sense in going through again the blame is with Garth and the others, it was Team Burnaby that started the whole thing in the first place.
"I still think unity plate is possible."
It ain't. You're really being naive.
"If you think the conflict between Lee Rankin and Mayor Corrigan is bad? But let us not forget Lee and Garth stabbed each other in the back. And with Garth's influence to convince former three of the top four TB candidates in 2005 election to run as a team, that should tell you who Garth would rather see lose."
So what? Lee is power hungry and I figure it was Lee who did the back stabbing. He was caught with the blood on the knife.
"If there is not pre-election unity, post-election unity will likely only happen in fairy tales."
Team Burnaby is fast becoming a fairy tale.
It was a nightmare for many until they had the sense to leave it.
"he should be playing up running for Council rather than playing games."
Yes, and saying that Lee Rankin is arrogant is certainly not an understatement. Both Garth and Lee were good opposition councilors and to see them going after each is kind of sad. But if I guess sometime politics always make friends out of strangers, and enemies out of friends.
Do the bloggers who keep saying three IVs are going to get elected realize just how alone these three individuals are? They may think or hope the MLA' are gtoing to back them. Wrong. They may think the 30% of Burnaby voters who vote will agree there should be more independent councilors. Dream on.
They will play the role of spoilers, but in the end they will be sidelined until after the federal election on Oct 14th, and then squeezed between the two municipal plates over the next thirty days. Pity. In the end those who love to analyze voting patterns in one neighborhood or another will only be able to see some very decent individuals who did not win because of their antics.
Do the bloggers who keep saying three IVs are going to get elected realize just how alone these three individuals are? They may think or hope the MLA' are gtoing to back them. Wrong.
Wrong on that one. The MLA's don't figure in civic politics that much (or as much as some are naive to believe).
"They may think the 30% of Burnaby voters who vote will agree there should be more independent councilors. Dream on. "
Depends on who they are. Lee Rankin ran on his own once.
They will play the role of spoilers, but in the end they will be sidelined until after the federal election on Oct 14th, and then squeezed between the two municipal plates over the next thirty days.
Well guess what? So will Team Burnaby. As for the BCA, they can handle both as they have in the past.
"Pity. In the end those who love to analyze voting patterns in one neighborhood or another will only be able to see some very decent individuals who did not win because of their antics."
Exactly, which fits right in with
many in Team Burnaby.
Yes, and saying that Lee Rankin is arrogant is certainly not an understatement. Both Garth and Lee were good opposition councilors:
Lee and garth were good councillors.
The opposition part is just crap to appease those who can't stand the NDP and don't get the idea that
a federal and provincial government caucus type playing rink doesn't exist at the civic level.
"Well guess what? So will Team Burnaby. As for the BCA, they can handle both as they have in the past."
IV the spoiler? Funny, did you just realize that now? The entire purpose of IV is to see TB go down in flames and more so with Lee Rankin. TB is taking on SEVEN incumbents at the same time. Typical voters will decide on a on a IV plate with strong incumbency vs. TB plate that BCA will easily eat. If Richard Lee and Harry Bloy want to stab Garth Evans in the back when their own government can hardly survive another re-election, unless they are politically ignorant, then yes, the MLA's are not "flocking" to TB. It is even more so with John Nuraney's election against Kathy Corrigan and I too dont believe he thinks TB itself can win his re-election against the Mayor's wife. I would even go a step further and say BCLIB MLA's may secretly be hoping to see IV members getting elected.
With carbon tax just about killing off Gordon Campbell's political future, the only sensible choice for BCLIB is to organize a unity plate with the quality IV candidates mentoring TB's newcomers many of whom will become puppets under TB given the way TB ran two of their influential councilors out of the party. If you think independence cannot win Garth Evans re-election, you can expect TB members voting 100% in unison. And BCLIB can certainly forget getting re-elected if they are backing a civic party that has stabbed another anti-NDP faction in the back.
The funniest thing out of all, coming back to the orginal topic, is that is Lee Rankin is still NOT decided to run for the mayor, less than 10 days before the nomination. Trust me BCLIB is not going to hinge their support on Lee Rankin. But most significantly, he firmly believes that if he wants the nomination, it is his since his friends on the board will simply give him the nomination if he wants to and it is becoming more obvious that the only factor is simply if believes in the illusion of winning the election. And the way he takes IV as a fringe party by declaring TB will run a full plate has made it clear that he will run for the mayor. It is not "them" that he has, again excuse my language, but rather his delusional belief that will make him decide to run for the mayoral nomination. But let us wait and see how many votes he get in the nomination phase first. I predict Lee Rankin will run for the mayor and the nomination victory will finally spell an end to his political career.
With Corrigan's famous arrogance, the looming SAP scandal, and a way-too-cozy relationship with the unions and BC NDP, the voters know that it is time for a change in Burnaby
And that's where Lee Rankin comes in. He has the experience, a proven track record of independent voting and a full roster of enthusiastic and committed candidates and volunteers.
Rankin is the only one who has been able to bring together a 'diverse' group. The only one to promote others before himself - unlike ?? - and a consistent leader on fundraising and donations! He puts his own money where his mouth is.
Be ready for a surprise.
Lee will be mayor! And he'll have a strong Team of new councillors.
"IV the spoiler? Funny, did you just realize that now? The entire purpose of IV is to see TB go down in flames and more so with Lee Rankin. TB is taking on SEVEN incumbents at the same time. "
With low quality candidates and a sense of not knowing how to do that right.
"Typical voters will decide on a on a IV plate with strong incumbency vs. TB plate that BCA will easily eat. If Richard Lee and Harry Bloy want to stab Garth Evans in the back when their own government can hardly survive another re-election, unless they are politically ignorant, then yes, the MLA's are not "flocking" to TB."
Correct. In fact they should stay away from civic politics, period.
"It is even more so with John Nuraney's election against Kathy Corrigan and I too dont believe he thinks TB itself can win his re-election against the Mayor's wife."
This doesn't make sense. TB does not factor in the provincial election.
I would even go a step further and say BCLIB MLA's may secretly be hoping to see IV members getting elected.
It would be a benifit to them, yes since Begin and Evans are incumbents. Except for Rankin, none of the TB candidates are incumbents and none have civic political experience.
"With carbon tax just about killing off Gordon Campbell's political future, the only sensible choice for BCLIB is to organize a unity plate with the quality IV candidates mentoring TB's newcomers many of whom will become puppets under TB given the way TB ran two of their influential councilors out of the party."
Not going to happen. Lines have been crossed and the knife wounds have healed.
If you think independence cannot win Garth Evans re-election, you can expect TB members voting 100% in unison. And BCLIB can certainly forget getting re-elected if they are backing a civic party that has stabbed another anti-NDP faction in the back.
Very true, but the voters will vote how they wish, and it may be that the NDP locally can gather more support than the BC Liberals.
This is voter support, not membership support.
"The funniest thing out of all, coming back to the orginal topic, is that is Lee Rankin is still NOT decided to run for the mayor, less than 10 days before the nomination."
Pretty comical. He's playing games and wants to be the surprise of the meeting. If this is true, that he wants to run for mayor, he's lost alot of time in getitng his word out. It's already getting close to week 2 of September and this guy hasn't said a thing.
"Trust me BCLIB is not going to hinge their support on Lee Rankin. But most significantly, he firmly believes that if he wants the nomination, it is his since his friends on the board will simply give him the nomination if he wants to and it is becoming more obvious that the only factor is simply if believes in the illusion of winning the election."
Interesting and they call themselves democratic? What happened to the membership? Don't they get to choose?
"And the way he takes IV as a fringe party by declaring TB will run a full plate has made it clear that he will run for the mayor. It is not "them" that he has, again excuse my language, but rather his delusional belief that will make him decide to run for the mayoral nomination. But let us wait and see how many votes he get in the nomination phase first. I predict Lee Rankin will run for the mayor and the nomination victory will finally spell an end to his political career.
Well he can always go back to filing Wills.
"With Corrigan's famous arrogance, the looming SAP scandal, and a way-too-cozy relationship with the unions and BC NDP, the voters know that it is time for a change in Burnaby"
But that change is not all Team Burnaby.
"And that's where Lee Rankin comes in. He has the experience, a proven track record of independent voting and a full roster of enthusiastic and committed candidates and volunteers."
He also has a record of stabbing people he doesn't like.
If Lee had real independent voting, Team Burnaby certainly would not go for that now would they.
Rankin is the only one who has been able to bring together a 'diverse' group.
Well it's diverse in terms of degree of quality.
"The only one to promote others before himself - unlike ?? - and a consistent leader on fundraising and donations! He puts his own money where his mouth is.
He's also had his head up his ass many times.
Be ready for a surprise.
Lee will be mayor! And he'll have a strong Team of new councillors.
Hope you can live with another surprise.
Mayor Corrigan, a majority of BCAs,
with one or two Independents. and
maybe one Team Burnaby member.
I highly doubt that the BCA will hold onto all five of their city council seats.
I'd guess four, with one surprise -
Paul Mcdonell has done more legwork than at least two of their incumbents, and he deserves a chair.
Ideally, five BCA, the two civic independents which makes six, and
one Team Burnaby for the eight.
Lee Rankin is the Team Burnaby seat holder.
"Lee Rankin is the Team Burnaby seat holder."
I hope not. I would rather see Lee Rankin run for the mayor and finally retire. It is time for a U40 opposition on the council since we cannot have oppositions outliving the government.
What would be the best way to form a strong opposition? BCLIB will see the civic TB gone into ashes and then eat off the remains and one of Richard Lee or Harry Bloy will then consolidate the entire anti-NDP faction and put together a team that will have young lib/tory candidates on one side and older ex-TB/IV candidates on the other to take on the socialist party in 2011.
Will Lee Rankin get re-elected? Actually, that is also uncertain. If Lee Rankin is elected, he will continue to be an outkast as he is now. It is time for Richard Lee and Harry Bloy to take TB apart and pave their way to the mayor's seat.
"hope not. I would rather see Lee Rankin run for the mayor and finally retire. "
Lee could run for mayor, but if he lost that, he would finally retire.
"It is time for a U40 opposition on the council since we cannot have oppositions outliving the government."
So why is having an under 40 opposition on council so important?
It's not a matter of age, but ratehr what a person can do. You're being a bit too choosy.
What would be the best way to form a strong opposition? BCLIB will see the civic TB gone into ashes and then eat off the remains and one of Richard Lee or Harry Bloy will then consolidate the entire anti-NDP faction and put together a team that will have young lib/tory candidates on one side and older ex-TB/IV candidates on the other to take on the socialist party in 2011.
Sounds like here we go again. That's exactly what happened with the old BVA. Harry decided he didn't like the BVA so him and a few of his buddies got together and started Team Burnaby.
"Will Lee Rankin get re-elected? Actually, that is also uncertain."
Actally a high degree of probability given that Lee had a large vote share (the highest) amongst the candidates for council last time. Might want to review that.
"If Lee Rankin is elected, he will continue to be an outkast as he is now."
Outcast. Not outkast.
He's hardly an outcast, except for the NDP.
It is time for Richard Lee and Harry Bloy to take TB apart and pave their way to the mayor's seat.
It's time for Harry to stop listening to stupid suggestion such as that and sign up for an anger management class, and then after he graduates, take a nice vacation in the Caribbean somewhere.
I predict Lee Rankin's winning margin against the 9th highest voter getter in 2005 will be cut in at least half. I disagree and I believe that with the split of votes going on, I see a pure BCA council with either Gary or Garth re-elected given that BCA supporters are more inclined to vote for them outside of the eight on the ticket. But we will soon see as Lee Rankin is becoming less and less popular these days and many cannot wait to see him retire.
"Sounds like here we go again. That's exactly what happened with the old BVA. Harry decided he didn't like the BVA so him and a few of his buddies got together and started Team Burnaby."
BVA is dead and there no need to bring that up again. Once TB goes into the grave after the election, these anti-NDP factions will almost immediately attach themselves to whoever seem viable of taking on BCA. They have no other options other than Richard Lee and Harry Bloy since Lee Rankin is pretty much their best hope to win against Mayor Corrigan. Of course Harry Bloy and Richard Lee will have a touch campaign ahead. But from the way it looks, especially if they go into opposition after 09, Harry Bloy will be the automatic mayoral candidate in 2011, unless he gets defeated, then that will be Richard Lee (though it will take a lot more than Bart to take him out). With former NDP Lee Rankin (the reason why TB didnt work) finally out of the way, a coalition dominated by Harry Bloy will have no other mayoral candidate other than Harry himself.
I predict Lee Rankin's winning margin against the 9th highest voter getter in 2005 will be cut in at least half.
Doesn'twork that way, statistically. Lee will most likely rank 1st to 3rd in terms of votes.
"I disagree and I believe that with the split of votes going on, I see a pure BCA council with either Gary or Garth re-elected given that BCA supporters are more inclined to vote for them outside of the eight on the ticket."
Possible. Not guaranteed.
But we will soon see as Lee Rankin is becoming less and less popular these days and many cannot wait to see him retire.
True. If he retires, hopefully it's an end to the power broking and internal backstabbing.
"Sounds like here we go again. That's exactly what happened with the old BVA. Harry decided he didn't like the BVA so him and a few of his buddies got together and started Team Burnaby."
BVA is dead and there no need to bring that up again.
True, but the fact remains that Harry was front and centre with the old Team Burnaby back in the late 1990's.
Once TB goes into the grave after the election, these anti-NDP factions will almost immediately attach themselves to whoever seem viable of taking on BCA.
No they won't.We've heard that before in 2005, and here we go again, eh?
They have no other options other than Richard Lee and Harry Bloy since Lee Rankin is pretty much their best hope to win against Mayor Corrigan. Of course Harry Bloy and Richard Lee will have a touch campaign ahead.
They wil, and they will face political enviroments that neither has had to contend with before. It will be interesting to see how each of them handle it.
But from the way it looks, especially if they go into opposition after 09, Harry Bloy will be the automatic mayoral candidate in 2011,
Not so fast. Even if he decides going for it, there will no doubt have to be a nomination process, and not many potential members would want him as a Mayoralty candidate.
unless he gets defeated, then that will be Richard Lee (though it will take a lot more than Bart to take him out).
Bart isn't a guarnteed NDP candidate against Harry, and even more so, since Harry wants to parachute into a new riding to run.
(he does not live in Burnaby, but rather in Coquitlam).
With former NDP Lee Rankin (the reason why TB didnt work) finally out of the way, a coalition dominated by Harry Bloy will have no other mayoral candidate other than Harry himself.
That would make alot of people vomit in disgust.
Surely you jest. An overweight, high strung arrogant guy with an anger management problem and a guy who loves power plays to help his own agenda is supposedly the best choice for Burnaby?
Get real.
General Lee is the name at the top of this post, but Rankin is now being touted as a City Council Candidate
Does he lack confidence in his own leadership abilities?
Sunday could be far more interesting that anyone imagines.
What is meant by "touted"? This guy had run for council previously, and his nomination is virtally automatically his if he wants it.
He's playing games.
Sunday's Team Burnaby meeting won't be interesting.
Watch Family Guy instead.
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