Corrigan isn't crying at all. He's stating a basic fact.
The BCA is not a socialist entity in the true sense of a socialist party would exist.
The BC NDP does not set the political agenda for the BCA, just as the BC Liberals do not set the agenda for Team Burnaby.
It is an affliate of the BC NDP, constitutionally, but the BC NDP has never had a hand in setting civic BCA policy nor dictating how the BCA conducts its affairs. The only tie in is the compulsory membership in the BC NDP. The BCA does not even send its own delegates to NDP conventions.
How could it? Socialist ideology lives at the provincial and federal level, it's never existed at the civic level.
Collen Jordan is technically wrong.
For facts, the longest serving government in BC ever was BC Social Credit, although not continious. That was a government from 1952 to 1972 (20 years) and then from 1975 to 1991 (16 years for a total of 36 years) something which jas not been equalled, and even the second part has yet to be equalled by the BC Liberals (16 years).
They are about half way there, but if they make it beyond 2009 is anyone's guess at the moment.
"Well if you think it is, cite where explicity socialist ideology exists at the civic level in Burnaby.
If it did, there would be homeless shelters paid for by the city everywhere, but there isn't."
I guess Councillor Coleen Jordan is mistaken. She may be a lifelong NDP member as well as a lifelong union organiser and finally th4 person who bragged tha tthe BCA is the socialist force in Burnaby. But hey - who's quibbling about one more socialist. Lee Rankin was a socialist until a few years ago so what the heck.
Of course his health should be a private matter. Why else should someone pen a letter that keeps it in the news. And what inner circle does he have anyway?
Harry Bloy is where he is now because of the party he belongs to, we all know that, (admittedly, Bart is by far the weakest candidate in Burnaby for NDP). While his tempers do fly sometimes, he has the donors behind him and if that is what gives us a victory against a socialist candidate, that is absolutely fine with me, and that goes with the majority of the people in the riding.
Harry Bloy is where he is now because of the party he belongs to, we all know that, (admittedly, Bart is by far the weakest candidate in Burnaby for NDP).
Bart is hardly a permanent candidate for the NDP. The NDP can easily nominate someone else to go against Harry Bloy.
As for Harry he is where he is now because him. has very little to do with the party structure. He's built up his own little empire, but that will collapse sooner or later
While his tempers do fly sometimes, he has the donors behind him and if that is what gives us a victory against a socialist candidate, that is absolutely fine with me, and that goes with the majority of the people in the riding.
Sure.
There isn't that huge majority in the riding, and also consider that Burquitlam will not be the same riding in the next election as it was in 2005.
I'd support a BC Liberal getting elected, but why a jerk such as Harry? He's arrogant, wants his own way, and figures he is far more important than he is in reality.
Might be a good thing if he got defeated. Would bring him back to humility for once.
"As for Harry he is where he is now because him. has very little to do with the party structure. He's built up his own little empire, but that will collapse sooner or later "
I think that is evident from the fact that he is miles away from making it to the cabinet. And the only reason the anti-NDP empire collapse was because there were too many conflicts that cannot be resolved, no matter if it is between federal parties ro the two anti-civic parties. A replication of BCLIB in the form of civic party is now no more. This sort of operating on a short term perspective and impatience for success when you can just eat down your pride and wait to share power until you get it will be the lesson learned.
Harry Bloy aligned with Lee Rankin out of necessity as Lee was the only anti-NDP councilor sitting on the council and they almost succeeded in overthrowing the city's socialist empire. But the entire anti-NDP army started to collapse when Lee Rankin fired the first shot when his friend Chairman Leung took on his more independent minded councilor when he sided with power, not forgetting that Lee Rankin used to sit on the same side as Derek Corrigan. And the conflicts after conflicts resulting in TB dividing itself and BCA conquering.
That was also why had Patti Sahota declared herself as the mayoral candidate six months ago, none of this would have happened and had they fired Gary Begin for siding with the socialists then, the anti-NDP would still band together.
The only way to solve everything now is to have Harry Bloy run for mayor I am certain he wont want to see TB run to the ground and go out in history with Lee Rankin an his friends.
think that is evident from the fact that he is miles away from making it to the cabinet.
No kidding. The guy has an anger management problem obviously.
And the only reason the anti-NDP empire collapse was because there were too many conflicts that cannot be resolved, no matter if it is between federal parties ro the two anti-civic parties.
"anti-civic parties"?? That's a new one.
There was no anti-NDP 'empire'.
A replication of BCLIB in the form of civic party is now no more.
There never was, and never should be. It was all a ruse for a few headcases to try and dominate civic politics when they can barely hang on to the provincial scene (true thre are three MLAs, but none have a huge majority and all of them can easily be voted out of office).
"This sort of operating on a short term perspective and impatience for success when you can just eat down your pride and wait to share power until you get it will be the lesson learned. "
There's a lot more lessons to be learned from that disaster. What you pointed out was just forward in the textbook of what not to do.
Harry Bloy aligned with Lee Rankin out of necessity as Lee was the only anti-NDP councilor sitting on the council.
Wrong there are two others who are not NDP affliated.
and they almost succeeded in overthrowing the city's socialist empire.
Not by a longshot. They missed by one seat that would give 4 civic council seats, but not a majority or the Mayor's chair. They could have gotten more if their idiot Mayor candidate didn't try to hide out his 'sharing a ride with Johnny Walker'.
"But the entire anti-NDP army started to collapse when Lee Rankin fired the first shot when his friend Chairman Leung took on his more independent minded councilor when he sided with
"Chairman Leung"? What is this, the local equivalent of Chairman Mao Tse-Tung?
"power, not forgetting that Lee Rankin used to sit on the same side as Derek Corrigan."
No kidding. And for a lot longer than he has sat as a Team Burnaby Councillor.
"And the conflicts after conflicts resulting in TB dividing itself and BCA conquering. "
Well that's what happens when people like Harry start messing around in places they shouldn't. It was an internal conflict that tore that civic party apart. No one to blame except the Directors and the membership on that one.
That was also why had Patti Sahota declared herself as the mayoral candidate six months ago, none of this would have happened"
Yeah right. Sahota couldn't even hang on to her own riding which had problems within.
"and had they fired Gary Begin for siding with the socialists then, the anti-NDP would still band together. "
Well Begin isn't with them, and they are still apart. What does that tell you? Especially when it is about 20 days out from starting the civic campaign?
The only way to solve everything now is to have Harry Bloy run for mayor"
Harry Bloy? That idiot? Oh, barf!
The guy has an anger management problem and isn't leadership by a long shot. he hasn't done anything outstanding that would merit a large number of people supporting him. He can't keep people on staff, and he's turned off alot of people with his bullying tactics.
The only good thing about Harry is that he doesn't smell.
"I am certain he wont want to see TB run to the ground and go out in history with Lee Rankin an his friends."
That's starting to happen. Team Burnaby is already run into the ground, thanks to Lee Rankin's back room antics, a bit of help from Harry Bloy and a few people who want power and not being interested in building up a civic party that has pride and would attract high quality volunteers to help run it.
"There's a lot more lessons to be learned from that disaster. What you pointed out was just forward in the textbook of what not to do.
Well that's what happens when people like Harry start messing around in places they shouldn't. It was an internal conflict that tore that civic party apart. No one to blame except the Directors and the membership on that one."
Unlike their socialist counterpart, they were simply not used to the nature of totalitarianism, all of them except for Lee Rankin anyway. And guess what, he and Chairman Leung, who many many allude to Chair Mao, were actually trying to create another BCA. Funny, if Gary Begin wanted that, he would have joined BCA long ago. It is sad really when you have various people over estimating their influences but without any base for power. Yes, Lee Rankin did have the control of the party that Harry Bloy established, but it was always meant to be a coalition party, not an opposition party, and Lee Rankin is by no means the leader of that opposition. And when you ignore the nature of the alliance and started to remove dissent, that is what you get. But it does not really matter anyway, just because Lee Rankin is going out with that coalition platform, a new one can come out just about anytime. We will give the socialist party's mayor another chance to govern and let have the "longest serving socialist government in Canadian history". It is more important now for BCLIB to stay out of the war-zone since if these anti-NDP politicians want to come back, they all know where they need to turn to the next time around.
It matters if you are a supporter of Harry and the Liberals. "Anyone can be quoted". I havent seen a public listing of the executive. Who is Cathy? Someone who ran for school board once and was defeated. So why would the reporter call Cathy.
Riding executives are not 'public' per se. It's only public if the Executive wants it out in the public domain. It's not private, as the Registrar of Society requires a listing and for a fee will bring out names.
Cathy is on the Burquitlam riding executive.
She's been known to reporters so it would be easy enough for them to call her.
You knowing who is on the executive and who is not, is not important. Except to you.
If you want to know more, call Harry, if you can stand his yelling.
Why all the talk about Cathy Cena? A far more likely source was Garth Evans. He is quoted also. And he is the one looking ahead at his next step in the political process. But first he needs to get one of the local MLA's out of the way.
You are short sighted dear boy. Garth is thinking about next time, as in three years from now. He is already looking past his career on Council which is pretty small potatoes for someone of his ability. Yes he lives in Bby N but one musn't be seen undermining RL. Far too dangerous for someone who needs to count on that vote in the future. There now. Are we clear yet?
"I said a public listing of the executive. IE what a reporter could easily find. Of course members would know who is on the executive. "
Reporters don't always use public domain resources to find people to resource. They rely mostly on networks.
Unless provided by the Riding Association or the BC Liberals, there is no easily publicly available listing of executive members. But any member of a riding association is very much free to attend a Board Meeting.
"Didnt Cathy say she was neutral when she announced she was running for board of education. Something about "
She was neutral in terms of civic politics.
About Garth, he lives in Burnaby North, not Lougheed. He is clearly running for council.
You are short sighted dear boy. Garth is thinking about next time, as in three years from now. He is already looking past his career on Council which is pretty small potatoes for someone of his ability. Yes he lives in Bby N but one musn't be seen undermining RL. Far too dangerous for someone who needs to count on that vote in the future. There now. Are we clear yet?
Why would he be undermining Richard Lee when he is on the Bby North Executive? As for garth taking the place of Richard Lee as an MLA, forget it. Isn't going to happen.
Richard Lee does not 'own' Burnaby North. If the voters decide on someone else as MLA, so be it.
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Well we can wish Harry a speedy recovery from what ever it is that needs surgry.
But beyond that, blubbering and crying over this guy is a bit much.
He's gone through staff like they
were gloves after hemmoroid surgery.
Used for a short time, then thrown away.
With "friends" like Cathy Cena and Garth Evans quoted in the article, who needs enemies?
Whatever happened to "No comment." when a friend is in trouble.
Thats what you get for having small time players on your team.
Harry should quit and smell the roses.
If Harry would have stopped being a jerk and being miserable to others there might be wider accomodation.
But let's hope for Harry's speedy recovery from what ever surgery he needs and move on.
welcome to the slag pile.
Well Harry left the shaft when he got the gold.
something certainly smells rank, eh?
Especially the crying and pity party for Harry.
We wish him a speedy recovery in his surgury, but beyond that, forget it.
He wasn't born in a manager.
this thread has gone mangy
badly mangered
no kidding.
The crying and pity party over Harry by his blindly loyal supporters is getting to be too much.
There's much more interesting topics in politics than him.
I'm just asking
who cried when and where?
and why do you feel the need to lie about it?
Looks like Corrigan is crying now.
http://www.canada.com/burnabynow/news/story.html?id=d52f84aa-426d-48d1-b277-1103719821b7
Everybody say "Wahhhh"
Corrigan isn't crying at all. He's stating a basic fact.
The BCA is not a socialist entity in the true sense of a socialist party would exist.
The BC NDP does not set the political agenda for the BCA, just as the BC Liberals do not set the agenda for Team Burnaby.
It is an affliate of the BC NDP, constitutionally, but the BC NDP has never had a hand in setting civic BCA policy nor dictating how the BCA conducts its affairs. The only tie in is the compulsory membership in the BC NDP. The BCA does not even send its own delegates to NDP conventions.
How could it? Socialist ideology
lives at the provincial and federal level, it's never existed at the civic level.
Collen Jordan is technically wrong.
For facts, the longest serving government in BC ever was BC Social Credit, although not continious. That was a government from 1952 to 1972 (20 years) and then from 1975 to 1991 (16 years for a total of 36 years) something which jas not been equalled, and even the second part has yet to be equalled by the BC Liberals (16 years).
They are about half way there, but if they make it beyond 2009 is anyone's guess at the moment.
"socialist ideology never existed at the municipal level"?
that is just too funny.
Well if you think it is, cite where explicity socialist ideology exists at the civic level in Burnaby.
If it did, there would be homeless shelters paid for by the city everywhere, but there isn't.
As for tax increases, it is within the growth of inflation so nothing there either, Sherlock.
"Well if you think it is, cite where explicity socialist ideology exists at the civic level in Burnaby.
If it did, there would be homeless shelters paid for by the city everywhere, but there isn't."
I guess Councillor Coleen Jordan is mistaken. She may be a lifelong NDP member as well as a lifelong union organiser
and finally th4 person who bragged tha tthe BCA is the socialist force in Burnaby. But hey - who's quibbling about one more socialist. Lee Rankin was a socialist until a few years ago so what the heck.
Reformed socialism is what it's all about,
and that spells Rankin.
This man's list of personal accomplishments is nothing short of amazing.
http://www.teamburnaby.ca/elected.aspx
Total selflessness, or something like that.
Might be, but he's not the only one who has contributed to the community.
Seems someone is blindly loyal to Lee, perhaps thinking the guy was born in a manager.
Reformed socialism is what it's all about,
and that spells Rankin.
Opportunist is what it's all about, and that spells Rankin.
Obviously chasing after the big money.
http://www.canada.com/burnabynow/news/opinion/story.html?id=c9b8a0b5-cde3-4a6d-b370-a8194715cf2a
Of course his health should be a private matter. Why else should someone pen a letter that keeps it in the news. And what inner circle does he have anyway?
An inner circle of people who are blindly loyal to him and are attending his pity party obviously.
Harry Bloy is where he is now because of the party he belongs to, we all know that, (admittedly, Bart is by far the weakest candidate in Burnaby for NDP). While his tempers do fly sometimes, he has the donors behind him and if that is what gives us a victory against a socialist candidate, that is absolutely fine with me, and that goes with the majority of the people in the riding.
Harry Bloy is where he is now because of the party he belongs to, we all know that, (admittedly, Bart is by far the weakest candidate in Burnaby for NDP).
Bart is hardly a permanent candidate for the NDP. The NDP
can easily nominate someone else to go against Harry Bloy.
As for Harry he is where he is now because him. has very little to do with the party structure. He's built up his own little empire, but that will collapse sooner or later
While his tempers do fly sometimes, he has the donors behind him and if that is what gives us a victory against a socialist candidate, that is absolutely fine with me, and that goes with the majority of the people in the riding.
Sure.
There isn't that huge majority in the riding, and also consider that Burquitlam will not be the same riding in the next election as it was in 2005.
I'd support a BC Liberal getting elected, but why a jerk such as Harry? He's arrogant, wants his own way, and figures he is far more important than he is in reality.
Might be a good thing if he got defeated. Would bring him back to humility for once.
"As for Harry he is where he is now because him. has very little to do with the party structure. He's built up his own little empire, but that will collapse sooner or later
"
I think that is evident from the fact that he is miles away from making it to the cabinet. And the only reason the anti-NDP empire collapse was because there were too many conflicts that cannot be resolved, no matter if it is between federal parties ro the two anti-civic parties. A replication of BCLIB in the form of civic party is now no more. This sort of operating on a short term perspective and impatience for success when you can just eat down your pride and wait to share power until you get it will be the lesson learned.
Harry Bloy aligned with Lee Rankin out of necessity as Lee was the only anti-NDP councilor sitting on the council and they almost succeeded in overthrowing the city's socialist empire. But the entire anti-NDP army started to collapse when Lee Rankin fired the first shot when his friend Chairman Leung took on his more independent minded councilor when he sided with power, not forgetting that Lee Rankin used to sit on the same side as Derek Corrigan. And the conflicts after conflicts resulting in TB dividing itself and BCA conquering.
That was also why had Patti Sahota declared herself as the mayoral candidate six months ago, none of this would have happened and had they fired Gary Begin for siding with the socialists then, the anti-NDP would still band together.
The only way to solve everything now is to have Harry Bloy run for mayor I am certain he wont want to see TB run to the ground and go out in history with Lee Rankin an his friends.
this is hilarious
and full of misinformation and lies
the entire anti-NDP army is collapsing?
Patti Sahota declared as mayoral candidate?
hilarious!
Harry running for Mayor of Burnaby?
That would make even the bluest Conservative vomit.
"Harry running for Mayor of Burnaby?
That would make even the bluest Conservative vomit."
Right....and they kept electing him to Victoria. Trust me, conservatives are ready to take him over any socialist candidate.
The voters in his riding voted for him, and not all of the voters who voted for him are Burnaby residents.
By apportion, most of them are Coquitlam people, not Burnaby people.
He didn't win the highest majority of votes in Burnaby either.
Get realistic here. He does not have a huge comfortable majority in Burnaby.
He's going to have to earn the support of many new voters in the riding he wants to run in.
Hopefully the voters in that new riding will choose someone else.
If staff members can't stand his perpetual bitching and yelling why would the voters put up with a guy like that?
Certainly not being professional, that's for sure.
think that is evident from the fact that he is miles away from making it to the cabinet.
No kidding. The guy has an anger management problem obviously.
And the only reason the anti-NDP empire collapse was because there were too many conflicts that cannot be resolved, no matter if it is between federal parties ro the two anti-civic parties.
"anti-civic parties"?? That's a new one.
There was no anti-NDP 'empire'.
A replication of BCLIB in the form of civic party is now no more.
There never was, and never should be. It was all a ruse for a few
headcases to try and dominate civic politics when they can barely hang on to the provincial scene (true thre are three MLAs, but none have a huge majority and all of them can easily be voted out of office).
"This sort of operating on a short term perspective and impatience for success when you can just eat down your pride and wait to share power until you get it will be the lesson learned. "
There's a lot more lessons to be learned from that disaster. What you pointed out was just forward in the textbook of what not to do.
Harry Bloy aligned with Lee Rankin out of necessity as Lee was the only anti-NDP councilor sitting on the council.
Wrong there are two others who are not NDP affliated.
and they almost succeeded in overthrowing the city's socialist empire.
Not by a longshot. They missed by one seat that would give 4 civic
council seats, but not a majority
or the Mayor's chair. They could have gotten more if their idiot
Mayor candidate didn't try to hide
out his 'sharing a ride with Johnny Walker'.
"But the entire anti-NDP army started to collapse when Lee Rankin fired the first shot when his friend Chairman Leung took on his more independent minded councilor when he sided with
"Chairman Leung"? What is this, the local equivalent of Chairman Mao Tse-Tung?
"power, not forgetting that Lee Rankin used to sit on the same side as Derek Corrigan."
No kidding. And for a lot longer than he has sat as a Team Burnaby Councillor.
"And the conflicts after conflicts resulting in TB dividing itself and BCA conquering. "
Well that's what happens when people like Harry start messing around in places they shouldn't. It was an internal conflict that tore that civic party apart. No one to blame except the Directors
and the membership on that one.
That was also why had Patti Sahota declared herself as the mayoral candidate six months ago, none of this would have happened"
Yeah right. Sahota couldn't even hang on to her own riding which had problems within.
"and had they fired Gary Begin for siding with the socialists then, the anti-NDP would still band together. "
Well Begin isn't with them, and they are still apart. What does that tell you? Especially when it is about 20 days out from starting the civic campaign?
The only way to solve everything now is to have Harry Bloy run for mayor"
Harry Bloy? That idiot? Oh, barf!
The guy has an anger management problem and isn't leadership by a long shot. he hasn't done anything outstanding that would merit a large number of people supporting him. He can't keep people on staff, and he's turned off alot of people with his bullying tactics.
The only good thing about Harry is that he doesn't smell.
"I am certain he wont want to see TB run to the ground and go out in history with Lee Rankin an his friends."
That's starting to happen. Team Burnaby is already run into the ground, thanks to Lee Rankin's back room antics, a bit of help from Harry Bloy and a few people who want power and not being interested in building up a civic party that has pride and would attract high quality volunteers to help run it.
"There's a lot more lessons to be learned from that disaster. What you pointed out was just forward in the textbook of what not to do.
Well that's what happens when people like Harry start messing around in places they shouldn't. It was an internal conflict that tore that civic party apart. No one to blame except the Directors
and the membership on that one."
Unlike their socialist counterpart, they were simply not used to the nature of totalitarianism, all of them except for Lee Rankin anyway. And guess what, he and Chairman Leung, who many many allude to Chair Mao, were actually trying to create another BCA. Funny, if Gary Begin wanted that, he would have joined BCA long ago. It is sad really when you have various people over estimating their influences but without any base for power. Yes, Lee Rankin did have the control of the party that Harry Bloy established, but it was always meant to be a coalition party, not an opposition party, and Lee Rankin is by no means the leader of that opposition. And when you ignore the nature of the alliance and started to remove dissent, that is what you get. But it does not really matter anyway, just because Lee Rankin is going out with that coalition platform, a new one can come out just about anytime. We will give the socialist party's mayor another chance to govern and let have the "longest serving socialist government in Canadian history". It is more important now for BCLIB to stay out of the war-zone since if these anti-NDP politicians want to come back, they all know where they need to turn to the next time around.
Interesting. So it's now
"next time around" is it?
Here's another "We'll give the socialist party's mayor another chance to govern"
Way funny!!
Talk about a 180 degee turn.
Sound's like someone is actually seeing what a few of us saw several months ago.
Team Burnaby is in the tank and Lee would be better off running for council and not taking a gamble running for Mayor.
Will be interesting to see where this plays out in June 2009 if a few Burnaby BC Liberal MLA's are voted out of office.
So a few Team Burnaby Lee Rankin suporters are beginng to accept that Corrigan will win once again.
Who woulda thunk it?
I wonder if it was Cathy Cena who leaked it to the press? How else would she have been quoted in the article.
Well doesn't matter now. Anyone can be quoted if the reporter does his homework.
Doesn't matter really. It's now public what has been known in political circles for years.
Harry is a jerk with a real attitude and anger management problem.
It matters if you are a supporter of Harry and the Liberals. "Anyone can be quoted". I havent seen a public listing of the executive. Who is Cathy? Someone who ran for school board once and was defeated. So why would the reporter call Cathy.
Riding executives are not 'public'
per se. It's only public if the
Executive wants it out in the public domain. It's not private, as the Registrar of Society requires a listing and for a fee will bring out names.
Cathy is on the Burquitlam riding executive.
She's been known to reporters so it would be easy enough for them to call her.
You knowing who is on the executive and who is not, is not important. Except to you.
If you want to know more, call Harry, if you can stand his yelling.
"I havent seen a public listing of the executive. Who is Cathy?"
Obviously not much of a supporter.
if he was he would have been at the Burquitlam AGm and saw Cathy elected to the board.
But remember the Riding executive exists for the purpose of the Riding Association, not the MLA.
The MLA should not get too involved with the affairs of the Riding Association.
Why all the talk about Cathy Cena? A far more likely source was Garth Evans. He is quoted also. And he is the one looking ahead at his next step in the political process. But first he needs to get one of the local MLA's out of the way.
I said a public listing of the executive. IE what a reporter could easily find. Of course members would know who is on the executive.
Didnt Cathy say she was neutral when she announced she was running for board of education. Something about
About Garth, he lives in Burnaby North, not Lougheed. He is clearly running for council.
You are short sighted dear boy. Garth is thinking about next time, as in three years from now. He is already looking past his career on Council which is pretty small potatoes for someone of his ability. Yes he lives in Bby N but one musn't be seen undermining RL. Far too dangerous for someone who needs to count on that vote in the future. There now. Are we clear yet?
"I said a public listing of the executive. IE what a reporter could easily find. Of course members would know who is on the executive. "
Reporters don't always use public domain resources to find people to resource. They rely mostly on networks.
Unless provided by the Riding Association or the BC Liberals, there is no easily publicly available listing of executive members. But any member of a riding association is very much free to attend a Board Meeting.
"Didnt Cathy say she was neutral when she announced she was running for board of education. Something about "
She was neutral in terms of civic politics.
About Garth, he lives in Burnaby North, not Lougheed. He is clearly running for council.
No shit, Sherlock.
You are short sighted dear boy. Garth is thinking about next time, as in three years from now. He is already looking past his career on Council which is pretty small potatoes for someone of his ability. Yes he lives in Bby N but one musn't be seen undermining RL. Far too dangerous for someone who needs to count on that vote in the future. There now. Are we clear yet?
Why would he be undermining Richard Lee when he is on the Bby North Executive? As for garth taking the place of Richard Lee as an MLA, forget it. Isn't going to happen.
Richard Lee does not 'own' Burnaby North. If the voters decide on someone else as MLA, so be it.
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