Moving over
Just to create some discussion do any Burnaby school trustees take a shot at moving down Canada Way to City Hall?
Does TEAM Burnaby try to keep its foothold or does either TEAM trustee try to make the move?
Will the Burnaby Citizens try to move some old faces from the board over to the council in an effort to add to its majority?
There are a mere 43 weeks until we know if anyone can successfully make the transition.
Does TEAM Burnaby try to keep its foothold or does either TEAM trustee try to make the move?
Will the Burnaby Citizens try to move some old faces from the board over to the council in an effort to add to its majority?
There are a mere 43 weeks until we know if anyone can successfully make the transition.
posted by Robert Burnaby at 8:29 PM
28 Comments:
and 44 weeks when all this civic political drivel is over and done with.
Eventually Team Burnaby has to break through. They probably could have last time around but several fumbles by management sealed the deal for them.
If they had some new faces running the ship might be a different story.
By the way ran into this new Burnaby News Page. Might be worth checking out as well.
http://burnabyblogger.supersized.org/
There are only three spots on the BCA side of council. P Mcdonnell will want another shot at council so only two left. Gary Begin might get one of these so only one spot would be open for anyone to move over. Probably won't hasppen as BCA will want at least one chinese candidate this time.
On the TEAM side there are six spots open or maybe seven of Garth or Lee Rankin runs for mayor. Hard to say that either TEAM school board trustee would be a good candidate for council but my bet is that both have drawbacks that will keep them from the council slate this time.
However that still leaves lots of room fro new blood on the TEAM slate.
"There are only three spots on the BCA side of council. P Mcdonnell will want another shot at council so only two left. Gary Begin might get one of these"
Why would there be mention of "Gary Begin might get one of these"?
Membership in the BC NDP is needed to be a member of the BCA, and Begin is not an NDPer.
"so only one spot would be open for anyone to move over. Probably won't hasppen as BCA will want at least one chinese candidate this time."
Why?
On the TEAM side there are six spots open or maybe seven of Garth or Lee Rankin runs for mayor. Hard to say that either TEAM school board trustee would be a good candidate for council but my bet is that both have drawbacks that will keep them from the council slate this time."
The biggest drawback is Team Burnaby as a civic group.
"However that still leaves lots of room fro new blood on the TEAM slate."
Provided that such new people are 'approved' by Harry Bloy and his minions.
This is so easy to predict.
Corrigan wins as mayor over whomever. He's not interested in anything other than being mayor, until such time as the BC NDP once again shrinks under Carole James' lame leadership (on election day 2009).
Corrigan's only predicament is finding a way to leave the mayor's chair to run in Bby Willingdon prior to the 2013 provincial election. Corrigan wouldnt mind being an MP either, I bet, but he aint getting into no fight with Julian, and he dont want no fight with Siskay. (He is such a wise man.)
The real municipal election story is infighting among Team Burnaby. They have only three elected members on council, and it is apparent they dont like each other. Begin is constantly being beat up by his colleagues, Evans criticized as being too green (a rookie, not environmentalist), and Rankin will never fully gain their trust. (ha ha)
By The Way
Did someone lay down the law on Lee Rankin and force him to go on TV to talk about the Kinder Morgan lawsuit against the city?
Prior to the KM lawsuit, Burnaby's biggest wafflemaker (rankin) seemed to want to make the Telus story his bread and butter. When Garth so thoughtlessly spoke common sense on the topic, Rankin was forced to change his tune.
Once the election is called, Corrigan et al will have an easy time making Rankin look like the buffoon.
and Corrigan et al will once again convince the city voters who know the obvious.
Team Burnaby isn't fit to govern.
"Corrigan's only predicament is finding a way to leave the mayor's chair to run in Bby Willingdon prior to the 2013 provincial election. Corrigan wouldnt mind being an MP either, I bet, but he aint getting into no fight with Julian, and he dont want no fight with Siskay. (He is such a wise man.)
The real municipal election story is infighting among Team Burnaby. They have only three elected members on council, and it is apparent they dont like each other. Begin is constantly being beat up by his colleagues, Evans criticized as being too green (a rookie, not environmentalist), and Rankin will never fully gain their trust. (ha ha)"
Tough huh? Corrigan can only choose to run one but not the other, and if he waits, he may well be too old to run to become the leader of BCNDP, assuming that he can survive this election.
However, I do agree with you that the infighting in TB is rather much more interesting as barring heroic figures like Mr. Democracy, an NDP member no less, challenging the legitimacy of mayor Corrigan's previous term, there is not doubt in anyone's mind that Mayor Corrigan will be coronated by NDP activists alike to lead another BCA/ex-socialist government.
There are still 10 months before the election takes place and anything that can happen can certainly happen. Someone suggested that Mayor Corrigan would challenge the Peter Julian as a federal liberal, and it is also possible that Bill Siksay decides to step down and run to become the mayor, both of which Mayor Corrigan will lose by landslide. Much like the Democratic presidneital nomination where Clinton was supposed to be coronated until someone who represents change came alone. True, it is a stretch that Mr. Democracy would challenge Mayor Corrigan, but would someone like Gabriel Yiu who is much more well versed in politics be more qualified in representing change? But BCA has never been known for surprises and no one is probably expecting anyone to challenge this power monopoly within the party.
But what is more interesting is what is happening with TB's own nomination race, in a race much like the Republican nomination contest with all sides claiming peace but are ready to stab one another in the back. None of the three city councilors can possibly outpoll our mayor who have been outlived by TB members. Evans lacks political wit that will be required to lead a TB majority who may be easily swung by Begin who despite seniority if elected to become the chair of finance committee can easily choose sides himself. Lee is more polarizing than another other councilor in city hall. And Begin is...well....himself.
Is there a front-runner in this race? If there is none, Begin should reconsider his role in it as shall he back the wrong candidate against Mayor Corrigan, he could see himself falling not only to the bottom of the TB food chain, his influence with his BCA colleagues may vanish immediately. I hope he can use his role as the kingmaker wisely.
Tough huh? Corrigan can only choose to run one but not the other, and if he waits, he may well be too old to run to become the leader of BCNDP, assuming that he can survive this election.
That's assuming that he wants to be
the leader as many (including you)
incorrectly figure. He's not an empty helmet and would not be interested in being a leader of an Opposition Party, and besides there are other NDP MLA's who are
also eager for the post, some of whom Corrigan no doubt knows personally.
"However, I do agree with you that the infighting in TB is rather much more interesting as barring heroic figures like Mr. Democracy, an NDP member no less, challenging the legitimacy of mayor Corrigan's previous term, there is not doubt in anyone's mind that Mayor Corrigan will be coronated by NDP activists alike to lead another BCA/ex-socialist government."
Nothing wrong with that, if that's what they want, and if no else decides to challenge him for the Mayor's candidancy. On the TB side it has been said that the Mayor's
candiancy has been 'promised' to
Lee Rankin, which is absured to say the least. He should go for it
in an open nomination contest, and
not be 'promised' it, if that is true.
"There are still 10 months before the election takes place and anything that can happen can certainly happen."
Expect the unexpected.
"Someone suggested that Mayor Corrigan would challenge the Peter Julian as a federal liberal,"
Right now the Federal Liberals will
take anyone. But it's doubtful that Corrigan would do that as he would only end up as an MP in an Opposition Party.
"and it is also possible that Bill Siksay decides to step down and run to become the mayor, both of which Mayor Corrigan will lose by landslide."
Siskay is not going to step down.
He's doing just fine as an MP.
"Much like the Democratic presidneital nomination where Clinton was supposed to be coronated until someone who represents change came alone."
Huh? Much Different system and country than ours.
"True, it is a stretch that Mr. Democracy would challenge Mayor Corrigan, but would someone like Gabriel Yiu who is much more well versed in politics be more qualified in representing change?"
Does anyone except those political hacks who keep postualating in the
hope of actually getting something right really care?
"But BCA has never been known for surprises and no one is probably expecting anyone to challenge this power monopoly within the party."
Actually there's been quite a few
surprises during the past times of the BCA.
Would anyone challenge the developing power monopoly in Team Burnaby?
"But what is more interesting is what is happening with TB's own nomination race, in a race much like the Republican nomination contest with all sides claiming peace but are ready to stab one another in the back."
Not unusual considering the power players involved. It's going to get much worse unless the power players such as those led by Bloy
are told to take off.
It's not really comparable to the Republican nomination contest since the two systems are vastly different from each other.
"None of the three city councilors can possibly outpoll our mayor who have been outlived by TB members."
The key is to win, not play the 'highest poll getter' game.
"Evans lacks political wit that will be required to lead a TB majority who may be easily swung by Begin who despite seniority if elected to become the chair of finance committee can easily choose sides himself."
He well may do that. He is in the eviable position of doing what he would like and most Burnaby citizens would support him on his decisions.
"Lee is more polarizing than another other councilor in city hall. "
Lee is more polarized than a car battery.
"And Begin is...well....himself. "
Yeh so? Doesn't matter if Begin has the interests of the citizens and the city in mind.
"Is there a front-runner in this race?"
Right now it's Harry Bloy. He's unseen, but he is making the play right now with his boy.
"If there is none, Begin should reconsider his role in it as shall he back the wrong candidate against Mayor Corrigan, he could see himself falling not only to the bottom of the TB food chain, his influence with his BCA colleagues may vanish immediately."
The food chain in TB is TB itself.
The TB people are getting canibalistic. They are eating their own.
As for BCA, I don't think Begin is too worried about them. He's worked with BCA Councillors on getting things for Burnaby in the past and will do so in the future as long as the voters want him as
a Councillor.
"I hope he can use his role as the kingmaker wisely."
We hope all of this political speculation will come to a stop before we all vomit.
"That's assuming that he wants to be
the leader as many (including you)
incorrectly figure. He's not an empty helmet and would not be interested in being a leader of an Opposition Party, and besides there are other NDP MLA's who are
also eager for the post, some of whom Corrigan no doubt knows personally."
The first to speculate is in fact our master blogger. There is much truth to it of course, but given that he cant even help his fellow councilors, or even himself, elected to Victoria, unless Carole James who can travel around the province with worrying about getting defeated in her home riding. So such speculation is redundant anyway. I however do hope to see someone from BCA challenging Mayor Corrigan who is cruising to coronation and relying much on "inevitability". In the general election, the majority electorates would probably rather see someone new coming out of BCA nomination race who by winning the nomination may have essentially sent our mayor into political retirement.
People are speculating that Harry Bloy is going to "award" Lee a chance to challenge Mayor Corrigan away from the city hall. Much like Robert Dole's run against Bill Clinton, it will be a losing campaign from the very beginning as the opposition will imply fail to the voter a chance to vote for change, worse, the party that endorses such a candidate will also be at the mercy of the voters. But none of the TB incumbents can
represent change anyways.
I would however rather see someone new coming along to challenge the status quo. TB is the perfect platform for such a campaign. Shall TB opt for a change candidate who can reverse some people's opinions that TB with its current condition is far from ready to govern, the general electorates will easily award them with a landslide victory.
"People are speculating that Harry Bloy is going to "award" Lee a chance to challenge Mayor Corrigan away from the city hall."
That's become closer to reality than speculation, since Harry is
working Team Burnaby to his own goals of "delivering" Burnaby to the Premier in the hopes of earning
political award points towards a cabinet post. That's been old news
around political circles for the past three years or so.
"Much like Robert Dole's run against Bill Clinton, it will be a losing campaign from the very beginning as the opposition will imply fail to the voter a chance to vote for change, worse, the party that endorses such a candidate will also be at the mercy of the voters."
Agree (although the comparison in using Bob Dole vs. Clinton is a bit over the top). It's also going to be factor of personality clashes
between those who want the power and influence. Never fails. TB has
been plagued with it from the beginning.
"But none of the TB incumbents can
represent change anyways."
They can if they get their asses in gear and actually do something for the benfit of the citizens and offer real postive workable solutions and clean out the civic group TB, rather than playing to idiot power brokers and their keeping saying "yes" to the people who ran the 2005 campaign.
If Team Burnaby is going to be something "new" clean out everything, including the heads that affect campaign engine performace.
Bad heads will stop an engine in no time.
"That's become closer to reality than speculation, since Harry is
working Team Burnaby to his own goals of "delivering" Burnaby to the Premier in the hopes of earning
political award points towards a cabinet post. That's been old news
around political circles for the past three years or so."
I fail to see though how winning the election for BCL can score him enough points to make it to the cabinet. True, Lee Rankin may have decided to join TB which to him is the jump board to mayoral nomination three years ago, and Lee's own ambition is certainly no secret to others. But his fellow councilors certainly are not giving him an easy to do so and it is not difficult to understand why. The most qualified and experienced of the bunch is not even sure if he will get nominated by party establishment who may decide to defeat him in the primary to get this chaos done with anyways.
Most would also agree that this election will be a proxy war between NDP establishment and Harry Bloy's own anti-NDP camp months before the true battle 14 months from now. Defeating Corrigan from behind the curtain will essentially guarantee his own re-election victory w/o any need for emergency cabinet appointment. But this sort of old-style politics is what has reduced the voter turn-out. The way Diane Watts defeated the powerful incumbent is to make the election more than a proxy war thus bringing together not only the opposition, but also the general electorates into play which resulted in a landslide victory forming a mayoral voting bloc on the council. Had Christy Clark won the nomination, the polarization created would have also given given the incumbent party the majority.
So is Harry Bloy bidding his political prospect on Rankin? Anyone wise would not do so as Rankin as it may very well backfire on him. Why would Richard Lee want to be tagged anti-NDP/Corrigan when he barely won his re-election. Seeing that TB requires extreme makeover, voters at large will probably want to see someone who can represent reform to run with TB. It is premature to think that Rankin will be acclaimed unanimously by the other councilor. And why would Rankin want to see anyone who opposed him for nomination chair the finance committee anyway, if he does get elected.
Are the voters ready for a new government? Yes they are. But who is to say that the only choices available will be between Corrigan and Rankin, neither of which really can afford getting defeated. It will be wise for TB's choose a new candidate that Evans and Begin prefer to see.
fail to see though how winning the election for BCL can score him enough points to make it to the cabinet. "
That's the goal. It's a political
game that's being played even though it's a waste of time and resources. Harry is not in cabinet and there's no reason othr than that that he would expend alot of effort to try and "save" Burnaby.
"True, Lee Rankin may have decided to join TB which to him is the jump board to mayoral nomination three years ago, and Lee's own ambition is certainly no secret to others. "
True, and it's not just Lee, but a
few others who want him as Mayor.
"But his fellow councilors certainly are not giving him an easy to do so and it is not difficult to understand why."
They don't need to as that is not why they were elected.
"The most qualified and experienced of the bunch is not even sure if he will get nominated by party establishment who may decide to defeat him in the primary to get this chaos done with anyways. "
That's one of the problems the so-called "party establishment". Let that go and let the membership decide for themselves who they want.
There is no 'primary'. You're confusing U.S. politics with B.C.
politics. We have nomination meetings, not "primaries".
"Most would also agree that this election will be a proxy war between NDP establishment and Harry Bloy's own anti-NDP camp months before the true battle 14 months from now."
There's no reason for that to exist and Harry should be erased from the equation and focus more on his own re-election fortunes.
"Defeating Corrigan from behind the curtain will essentially guarantee his own re-election victory w/o any need for emergency cabinet appointment. "
Who needs an 'emergency cabinet appointment'? That was tried in Burnaby once and didn't work.
"But this sort of old-style politics is what has reduced the voter turn-out. The way Diane Watts defeated the powerful incumbent is to make the election more than a proxy war thus bringing together not only the opposition, but also the general electorates into play which resulted in a landslide victory forming a mayoral voting bloc on the council."
Different person in a different city within a different political system.
"Had Christy Clark won the nomination, the polarization created would have also given given the incumbent party the majority. "
Had Christy won the Vcr. Nomination, the federal Liberals would be running everything.
"So is Harry Bloy bidding his political prospect on Rankin?"
You bet your ass he is.
"Anyone wise would not do so as Rankin as it may very well backfire on him."
It very well may. since it is well known that Harry is working in the dark to secure his civic election goals.
"Why would Richard Lee want to be tagged anti-NDP/Corrigan when he barely won his re-election. "
Doesn't matter. Richard isn't a part of the civic zoo.
"Seeing that TB requires extreme makeover, voters at large will probably want to see someone who can represent reform to run with TB."
TB Burnaby requires a complete teardown and replacement. It's not reform in the true sense. but rather actually coming up with something the voters would go for.
"It is premature to think that Rankin will be acclaimed unanimously by the other councilor."
What other councillor?
"And why would Rankin want to see anyone who opposed him for nomination chair the finance committee anyway, if he does get elected. "
The Finance Committee members are chosen directly by the Mayor's office there's no nomination contest.
"Are the voters ready for a new government? Yes they are. But who is to say that the only choices available will be between Corrigan and Rankin, neither of which really can afford getting defeated."
In actually the voters may decide to stick with the status quo with some variant, but anyone who thinks TB is going to be the benificiary of a big turn over is fooling themselves right now. That could change but at this time, unlikely.
"It will be wise for TB's choose a new candidate that Evans and Begin prefer to see."
It would be wise for TB to start replacing the Board, get their collective asses in gear and come up with something that the voters would like and the volunteers actually wanting to be a part of rather than a personality torn group led by some MLA who figures he's the only one to 'save' Burnaby.
'In actually the voters may decide to stick with the status quo with some variant, but anyone who thinks TB is going to be the benificiary of a big turn over is fooling themselves right now. That could change but at this time, unlikely.'
No doubt TB was a product of an anti-NDP alliance that Harry Bloy has put together giving the general electorates a chance to actually get to choose. But three years have passed and politics has evolved where TB needs to move away from opposition to change.
Harry Bloy's desire to see BCA government defeated is no secret. While the reason he has to see that may differ from others who would like to see a transition of power, the vehicle that he has constructed to achieve the common object has united all fronts desiring for reform.
But a campaign to divide will not prevail, rather a campaign to overcome will. A campaign co-sponsored by Bloy, Rankin and the party establishment may not be convincing enough to people to rely on for change. Not to mention that the nomination race will also involve council candidates that some have suggested that "it's not just Lee, but a few others who want him as Mayor." Those who are standing outside simply waiting to see Rankin acclaimed may continue to stand outside long past the election.
But I agree with many that a new candidate coming out away from old-style of politics, but supported by those who have been through it will be more credible to bring about change. To forgo a safe incumbency that may very well turn into a chair on the finance committee, Rankin's own sense of "inevitability" may well vanish long before.
The "change vs experience argument" can become instant star-maker. We again have seen it from Surrey, Vancouver and Coquitlam. While different municipalities, election results from these cities do give us an insight what typical voters are voting for. I am certain there are few others that are equally qualified as Rankin but would represent more effectively the change the general electorates are looking to vote for. But all changes will require experiences to execute and shall TB councilors despite all the conflicts unite again as they did in 2005 and endorse a vision of change, they shall too play prominent roles once BCA hands over the power to TB.
No doubt TB was a product of an anti-NDP alliance that Harry Bloy has put together giving the general electorates a chance to actually get to choose."
It's not an alliance but rather a collection of friends close to Harry Bloy and has been from the beginning.
"But three years have passed and politics has evolved where TB needs to move away from opposition to change. "
Actually six. Since Team Burnaby began earlier the culmination of a disasterous campaign for Mayor by someone who also is a friend of Harry.
"Harry Bloy's desire to see BCA government defeated is no secret."
Burnaby would see the defeat of the BCA, but that does not nessesarily mean it has to be Harry's group to do it. In fact they have caused more problems in getting the BCA defeated than anything else.
"While the reason he has to see that may differ from others who would like to see a transition of power, the vehicle that he has constructed to achieve the common object has united all fronts desiring for reform. "
That vehicle of his has seized wheel bearings and the heads are getting cracked.
"But a campaign to divide will not prevail, rather a campaign to overcome will. A campaign co-sponsored by Bloy, Rankin and the party establishment may not be convincing enough to people to rely on for change."
Not many would get involved with that since it is a good example of a power play by Harry who should be
being an MLA rather than a political god.
"Not to mention that the nomination race will also involve council candidates that some have suggested that "it's not just Lee, but a few others who want him as Mayor."
It should involve the membership in a no-interference from Harry and his minions-let the membership decide meeting.
"Those who are standing outside simply waiting to see Rankin acclaimed may continue to stand outside long past the election."
Harry wants Lee acclaimed pure and simple. Plus his own friends and insiders running the show.
"But I agree with many that a new candidate coming out away from old-style of politics, but supported by those who have been through it will be more credible to bring about change."
Depends on who it is.
"To forgo a safe incumbency that may very well turn into a chair on the finance committee, Rankin's own sense of "inevitability" may well vanish long before. "
Wrong. The Finance Committee is
appointed by the Mayor, not council.
"The "change vs experience argument" can become instant star-maker. We again have seen it from Surrey, Vancouver and Coquitlam. While different municipalities, election results from these cities do give us an insight what typical voters are voting for. I am certain there are few others that are equally qualified as Rankin but would represent more effectively the change the general electorates are looking to vote for. But all changes will require experiences to execute and shall TB councilors despite all the conflicts unite again as they did in 2005 and endorse a vision of change, they shall too play prominent roles once BCA hands over the power to TB.
There's alot more that needs to happen for that result to show, and the first step is to get rid of the problems within Team Burnaby in the first place, even if it means hurting a few people's egos.
This site seems to be fueled by nothing more than nonesense and rubbish. It needs to be gassed. If TB is really in such dire straights, why all the useless chatter and snide remarks?
The only time in the last year Harry Bloy attended a TB meeting was three months ago - and he stormed out in a foul mood. So much for his being the silent hand behind the curtains. The top members of the campaign team, so often trashed on this site, have often said they are not available for this coming election. TB will have to find others who are willing to work for almost nothing and give up two months of time.
This site seems to specialize in making things up since it obviously has no credible sources as to what is really going on.
"The only time in the last year Harry Bloy attended a TB meeting was three months ago - and he stormed out in a foul mood."
But he is working behind the scenes to ensure his boy - Lee Rankin is given the nomination for Mayor. That's not fiction.
"So much for his being the silent hand behind the curtains. The top members of the campaign team, so often trashed on this site, have often said they are not available for this coming election. TB will have to find others who are willing to work for almost nothing and give up two months of time."
That's the way most campaigns are run. In fact it doesn't take two months of day to day work to get things going if one knows how to do it right.
The big campaigns used to be run by volunteers, the only payout was for gas for the car and pizzas and Cokes for the office.
Too often there overvalue in paying out. I mean really is there a real need to pay a person $1000 to do signs??
In fact one can be more dedicated to winning as a volunteer than one who is doing it to earn money for that vacation or car replacement.
In fact political parties are run by volunteers, not the paid hacks who feed on their self-importance.
"This site seems to specialize in making things up since it obviously has no credible sources as to what is really going on."
Look around, the credible sources are out there, if you know where to look.
"Look around, the credible sources are out there, if you know where to look.
1/27/2008 9:21 PM "
Actually I do look around for credible sources. That is why I know the wild speculation and plain misinformation put fwd on this site is drivel.
"That is why I know the wild speculation and plain misinformation put fwd on this site is drivel."
True. There's alot of drivel coming from those who want to keep Team Burnaby as a farm team for Harry Bloy's 2009 campaign.
As for the commentor about speculation and misinformation, he's probably not trying hard enough to find out what people really know or is blindly loyal to Harry Bloy.
Maybe even both.
Information supplied and created will be irrelevant to the election result. However the puppet master wants to manipulate the votes for is none of the voters' concern.
Speculation may favor Rankin as the candidate, but truth may be on the day of nomination he may very well lose everything. Speculation may favor that Harry Bloy get his own candidates appointed to city council nomination slate but reality may be that even his own incumbents may not even make it close to nomination. Everything is possible. When tactics are involved, especially in the realm of politics, whoever claim to have monopoly on information may be digging themselves a grave to jump in come election time.
"Information supplied and created will be irrelevant to the election result. However the puppet master wants to manipulate the votes for is none of the voters' concern."
Actually it is very much the voters concern, and they do have the right to know if they so wish, since Harry's manipulation may not be well received by the voters, as it will play out as being a power play.
Harry has been playing one to many rinks, as he was also behind the scenes in Yonah Martin's nomination and has been around Bill Cunnigham's campaign efforts.
Manipulative politics and politics to the benifit of one person has no place within good effective government for the citizens.
It's rather ironic that people lambaste the BCA as being part of the NDP (which they are, that's public knowledge), but hate it when the ties from Harry Bloy to Team Burnaby come into play.
"Speculation may favor Rankin as the candidate, but truth may be on the day of nomination he may very well lose everything."
Depends on how good he is in selling himself to the membership getting his member-supporters out to vote for him.
Speculation may favor that Harry Bloy get his own candidates appointed to city council nomination slate but reality may be that even his own incumbents may not even make it close to nomination."
Nominations should not be appointments there should be an election free and wide open for the membership to choose, not Bloy.
"Everything is possible. When tactics are involved, especially in the realm of politics, whoever claim to have monopoly on information may be digging themselves a grave to jump in come election time."
Harry and his supporters have been digging themselves a grave for quite sometime and are taking Team Burnaby as trinkets to be put in the casket.
Lee Rankin running for mayor would be part of the solution - not the problem. And I doubt his running (or not) will have anything to do with Harry Bloy or his Bloy Boyz.
The only real problem in T/B is the the one caused by the "artfull dodger" and his supporters. This problem will continue until T/B decides whether it intends to have a solid platform or not. I.E. one that it will impliment if elected. As it is now no one will take it seriously. Why? - because one T/B council member has broken his signed commitments made prior to the last election.
"Lee Rankin running for mayor would be part of the solution - not the problem. And I doubt his running (or not) will have anything to do with Harry Bloy or his Bloy Boyz."
Try again, esp. if some of the so-called Bloy Bloyz end up being visible in support for Rankin or end up running TB's civic campaign.
"The only real problem in T/B is the the one caused by the "artfull dodger" and his supporters. This problem will continue until T/B decides whether it intends to have a solid platform or not. I.E. one that it will impliment if elected."
Also needs saleable candidates.
"As it is now no one will take it seriously. Why? - because one T/B council member has broken his signed commitments made prior to the last election."
Not again. Sorry that's incorrect.
That so-called "signed committment" was only valid up until the last day of the election, unless it specifically said otherwise.
There's been a few people who were who weren't exactly keeping to their side of the tracks in the past either. One was a Conservative, but decided to earn money in helping to run a federal Liberal campaign while he was still a Conservative party member.
The federal Liberal candidate lost despite this so-called "elite talent" from Harry Bloy's group of minions.
Why? - because one T/B council member has broken his signed commitments made prior to the last election.
If that is what Team Burnaby is all about, keep going over that past issue, TB Burnaby had better re-invent itself to be more favoured to the voters.
Who would want to support a bunch of idiots who continually go after a councillor for his own decisions?
"Caucus solidarity" and so forth one sees in federal and provincial politics doesn't exist at the civic level.
Then there's Harry Bloy who figures he's a Conservative (supported Yonah Martin's nomination campaign), but also supports Bill Cunningham (federal Liberal).
"Why? - because one T/B council member has broken his signed commitments made prior to the last election."
Interesting. Since a so-called 'committment' signed *during* a campaign would no doubt expire when the campaign does (the day after election day), and also not factored in is that perhaps the councillor had the best interests of the city in mind, over those few who perpetually have their own interests in mind when crying over a councillor who obviously has the best interests of the city in mind, which is the reason why the voters who are far more important and voted for the councillor because they know he has the best interests of the city in mind.
In other words, the interests of those few who keep insisting that the 'committments' signed for the course of a campaign now long gone are stil valid, really don't matter now in January-February 2008 as they did in October 2005.
If he runs again, let the voters decide if he should return to council.
Gawd man, is that idiot still crying over Begin's vote?
He should get a life. It's going to be a long 40 or weeks wallowing in his own misery over something that the voters aren't particularly concerned about.
""Caucus solidarity" and so forth one sees in federal and provincial politics doesn't exist at the civic level."
You cannot be more wrong.
Regarding that lack of unity within TB, much of that has to do with the dissatisfaction of the party establishment trying to make this a campaign that is asking people to pick sides and that will simply put many of those who run the campaign into early retirement.
What is Harry Bloy's role in all of this? The only thing he would like to see is to see NDP going down in flame so he can secure his own BCL incumbency. But this sort of mentality is short sighted because the day the NDP gets defeated is also the day he loses his usefulness to the federal liberals, conservatives or TB. Trying to play both sides to oppose NDP is like playing with fire. While Richard Lee chooses to stay behind federal liberals may look safe, but that is only safe if he believes that the only party that can defeat NDP establishment in his riding is the liberals. But he has a less ambitious aim and even if he is wrong by gambling on liberals, staying away from conflicts do yield him the path of the least resistance.
But none of this anti-NDP campaign will win elections, they only help tip the election victory away from BCA. The tactics that Lee Rankin, as a former BCA members and Liberal MP candidate, is going to adopt to oppose Corrigan is too painfully obvious to be a subject of discussion. And given his history of opposing BCA, the likelihood of him bringing out new voters is very little. And shall he decide to make probably the most significant campaign of his political life, also a most definitely losing campaign, not only will he not prevail, months from this loss, Rankin may very well help pull Harry Bloy into retirement.
Unless TB regains common sense and chooses the right candidate to oppose Corrigan, much of this "optimism" for a new government will probably go down in flame. While it may be a long time before the election, but to establish a candidate as credible will take a long time before this candidate can stand in for the battle which can often decided in seconds but the consequences in this case may simply devastate the side that is unfavored.
""Caucus solidarity" and so forth one sees in federal and provincial politics doesn't exist at the civic level."
You cannot be more wrong.
Actually it's more reality than you realize. There's no 'government breaking' votes at the civic level as there is at the federal level, in other words there is no vote that would if passed defeat a civic government between elections.
The environment in federal/provincial government is very different than it is at the civic level.
"Regarding that lack of unity within TB, much of that has to do with the dissatisfaction of the party establishment trying to make this a campaign that is asking people to pick sides and that will simply put many of those who run the campaign into early retirement. "
Exactly, and for some of those who run the campaign, some deserve early retirement as it has been shown that they did not have a winning formula leading to the coveted win at the Mayor's Office.
"What is Harry Bloy's role in all of this? The only thing he would like to see is to see NDP going down in flame so he can secure his own BCL incumbency."
Exactly again, he is only wanting to eliminate his opposition, but given the NDP's history, they will be back to full strength, and Harry's support base is noticeably weakend compared to what it was in 2001.
"But this sort of mentality is short sighted because the day the NDP gets defeated is also the day he loses his usefulness to the federal liberals, conservatives or TB."
He's been useless for the past year only wanting to build his ego and sense of self-importance. There is nothing he has done that could not be done by others.
"Trying to play both sides to oppose NDP is like playing with fire. While Richard Lee chooses to stay behind federal liberals may look safe, but that is only safe if he believes that the only party that can defeat NDP establishment in his riding is the liberals."
Richard Lee has been federal Liberal for much longer than being a BCL MLA. If that is his wish, to be federal Liberal, so be it.
"But he has a less ambitious aim and even if he is wrong by gambling on liberals, staying away from conflicts do yield him the path of the least resistance. "
He's not the person to get into conflicts like others have.
"But none of this anti-NDP campaign will win elections, they only help tip the election victory away from BCA."
That may not happen. The voters will not want to elect an anti-something group. They will want to elect people who do positive things for Burnaby, and not be influenced by others.
"The tactics that Lee Rankin, as a former BCA members and Liberal MP candidate, is going to adopt to oppose Corrigan is too painfully obvious to be a subject of discussion."
Perhaps. Rankin has a chance to win if he balances his opposition to the BCA with his experience on council.
"And given his history of opposing BCA, the likelihood of him bringing out new voters is very little."
Probable, he has peaked and would not receive much more votes than he already has.
And shall he decide to make probably the most significant campaign of his political life, also a most definitely losing campaign, not only will he not prevail, months from this loss, Rankin may very well help pull Harry Bloy into retirement."
Might be good there.
"Unless TB regains common sense and chooses the right candidate to oppose Corrigan, much of this "optimism" for a new government will probably go down in flame. "
Very true. Reason why Bloy should detach himself and let the membership decide and he should not continue his influences.
"While it may be a long time before the election, but to establish a candidate as credible will take a long time before this candidate can stand in for the battle which can often decided in seconds but the consequences in this case may simply devastate the side that is unfavored."
True. The decision at this stage as to whom will be presented to the voters is up to Team Burnaby.
Whether Team Burnaby ends up with the coveted majority win on council will be decided by the voters.
It very well may be a mix of BCA and TB councilloers that get re-elected with one or two new ones.
The voters would not want a civic group that is influenced by one person.
What becomes an "accounts receivable" now (as in 'extra help'
such as that given by Harry Bloy in his quest to oust the NDP), now will very much end up as 'accounts payable' (as in Harry will expect something in return) later.
Such environments are very dangerous, and Team Burnaby should if it wants to be credible be very careful in what route it takes.
But it is up to Team Burnaby to decide what they want to do.
The voters will decide for themselves in November if that direction is acceptable.
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